LOCAL VS FOREIGN BASED SUPPORTERS
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A city workmate of mine was still taking the p**S on friday about citys famous cup win last saturday when i pointed out that city did not have one English or local born player on the pitch at kick off.
His reply ...whats that got to do with it!
my reply was why do city and others go on about United fans coming from outside Manchester.
soon shut him up.
In my opinion if you support Manchester United it does not matter where you come MARS OR LONDON
you are a RED .
No other club in the world commands the worldwide support United get .
Between 1968 and 1992 we were still the club everyone followed, even though others werewinning
titles and cups left right and centre.
M.U.F.C is special....to all reds from everywhere <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
His reply ...whats that got to do with it!
my reply was why do city and others go on about United fans coming from outside Manchester.
soon shut him up.
In my opinion if you support Manchester United it does not matter where you come MARS OR LONDON
you are a RED .
No other club in the world commands the worldwide support United get .
Between 1968 and 1992 we were still the club everyone followed, even though others werewinning
titles and cups left right and centre.
M.U.F.C is special....to all reds from everywhere <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
My idea was to give the perfect picture of how a local based and a foreign based supporter feels without judging none of them.
It is true they are many glory hunters scattered around. But you need to define a Glory Hunter. A glory hunter is a person who stops supporting the team because its going bad and not the person who critise ( sometimes very rudely) the team
Malta is like a second Manchester. PPL had been supporting Manutd before the second world war and have passed through the bad things as the Local based ppl have done ( or maybe more because Malta has also a strong scoasers links, and their supporters are more piosionous than the English ones) There are ppl who literally insult the team (when its goes bad) but had been supporters for 30 yrs. Its all about pain and how you express it. Some ppl keep it to themselves some ppl dont and its wrong to label them Glory hunters.
Sorry if in a previos topic I have insulted the local based. What I wanted was to taste them their own medicine. I care for them as I care for the team, but downgrading foreign based supporters is WRONG. Manutd strength relies on being United, anytime
It is true they are many glory hunters scattered around. But you need to define a Glory Hunter. A glory hunter is a person who stops supporting the team because its going bad and not the person who critise ( sometimes very rudely) the team
Malta is like a second Manchester. PPL had been supporting Manutd before the second world war and have passed through the bad things as the Local based ppl have done ( or maybe more because Malta has also a strong scoasers links, and their supporters are more piosionous than the English ones) There are ppl who literally insult the team (when its goes bad) but had been supporters for 30 yrs. Its all about pain and how you express it. Some ppl keep it to themselves some ppl dont and its wrong to label them Glory hunters.
Sorry if in a previos topic I have insulted the local based. What I wanted was to taste them their own medicine. I care for them as I care for the team, but downgrading foreign based supporters is WRONG. Manutd strength relies on being United, anytime
One interestign aspect in this discussion is that, you pack the stadium with 55 000 locals / english, 10 000 foreigners, when it's quiet it's obviously the 10 000 foreign fans fault because they don't know all the songs <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> . Whereas these die hard fans who whine are so hardcore that they haven't even got the balls to sing if the man next to him doesn't, that's dedication. Consequently there is a situation where 10 000 people can make the other 55 000 shut up.
If it's quiet there's not much point in blaming anyone else, just take a look in the fecking mirror. If you can't sing / support without the man next to you patting you on the back and saying it's ok, what cind of fecking social misfit are you?
If it's quiet there's not much point in blaming anyone else, just take a look in the fecking mirror. If you can't sing / support without the man next to you patting you on the back and saying it's ok, what cind of fecking social misfit are you?
Originally posted by Gillespie:
<strong>Frankly,the Man Utd fan phenomenon is a feature of late 20th century Britain/Rest of the world and not mimicked any where else as far as I can see.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Two separate issues here: global fan base and stadium attendance (with some overlap). This phenomenon has a very simple explanation for both.
The 90's saw the emergence of football as a major business. Global cable networks taking it into everyone's homes, the internet bringing it even closer and allowing for greater activity/flow of information. This was used by clubs in order to work on themselves as "brands" to reap the benefits of global marketing. Eventually, clubs turning into plcs and the game increasingly revolving around money rather than football itself.
With this marketing and stadiums turning into all-seaters + the added security, football becomes a more desirable product. It turns SO sexy that it becomes an integral part of hospitality packages and a brilliant opportunity to wine and dine your prospective clients/partners/whatever.
This all happened in the 90's, when Manchester United was arguably the best marketed brand on and off the pitch. The sublime performances on the pitch underpinning their brand value.
So, are we surprised we pack the stadium with silent day-trippers?
Concerning fans it's a different proposition. In the 80's all I ever got was a "results table" on my Uruguayan newspaper. How can you support any team that way? All I ever heard of was Manchester United and Liverpool being big teams/rivals and Liverpool being the successful one so by default I wanted United to win. Was there any sound base/passion behind that? Of course not, just a simple choice of names frankly and a bias towards supporting the underdog. No history, no tradition, no heroes, feck all. I've never seen even 5 minutes of George Best!
In the 90's I got the chance to see them and I liked what I saw, pure and simple. United has given me heroes and ecstatic moments, that breeds passion. I doubt many of those jumping on board during that time will jump off as easily because all we have seen is what is needed to make you love a team. You say SAF and I think :gobsmackedface: "Football, bloddy hell" (remember that? <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> ).
Mind you, I lived in Southampton and it was a pain to see that every time I went to watch them at The Dell they lost
Do I care about cups, trophies, big signings? Can't be arsed with it really, I miss the resilience, the never-say die attitude, not the top of the table. That would be just a bonus.
I am a foreign based fan, a native Texan, who
lives and dies with United each week. I may never
get to see a game at OT personally because of the distance and the simple fact I cannot leave work any time I choose to fly over.
Being able to critize performance and the coach are inherent rights of someone like me who bought a satilite just to see whatever United games might come along. I get p----d off because I
care about the team and what they do.
It is a granted that on some days some other team may be better--for one afternoon. I still hate losing no matter what the circumstances. I
could not abandon United for any other team in football.
It's not losing that really gets to me. It's throwing a game away because someone--player or
even the coach- makes bad decisions. Some of the
present crop of players have a propensity do do just that. No one is perfect.(excepy Eric Cantona!) We just need some needful thought about
how to fix the problem.
What gives me the right or whatever to interject my comments on your forum? I am a United shareholder and former player for some thirty years. I never had the advantage of being in a football playing country until rather lately-- even if one can stretch the imagination and call the MSL real football.
So there you have it. Do your damndest. I will
still be a United fan tomorrow and there's not a
damn thing you can say to change it.
Bill Robertson
Lewisville, Texas
lives and dies with United each week. I may never
get to see a game at OT personally because of the distance and the simple fact I cannot leave work any time I choose to fly over.
Being able to critize performance and the coach are inherent rights of someone like me who bought a satilite just to see whatever United games might come along. I get p----d off because I
care about the team and what they do.
It is a granted that on some days some other team may be better--for one afternoon. I still hate losing no matter what the circumstances. I
could not abandon United for any other team in football.
It's not losing that really gets to me. It's throwing a game away because someone--player or
even the coach- makes bad decisions. Some of the
present crop of players have a propensity do do just that. No one is perfect.(excepy Eric Cantona!) We just need some needful thought about
how to fix the problem.
What gives me the right or whatever to interject my comments on your forum? I am a United shareholder and former player for some thirty years. I never had the advantage of being in a football playing country until rather lately-- even if one can stretch the imagination and call the MSL real football.
So there you have it. Do your damndest. I will
still be a United fan tomorrow and there's not a
damn thing you can say to change it.
Bill Robertson
Lewisville, Texas
Lewisville is outside Dallas not far from the
International Airport. Drop in-- we'll have a pint of something and watch the Reds kick butt!
International Airport. Drop in-- we'll have a pint of something and watch the Reds kick butt!