Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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so what you really want is fergie to come out and tell everyone hes got things wrong?
Just reverting back to 4-4-2 and using wing play would do.
He can sell Veron in the Summer too.
LOCAL VS FOREIGN BASED SUPPORTERS
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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He can sell Veron in the Summer too.
the only club that has any interest in us are fricking bankrupt so it looks like we gonna have to make to do!
with just winning the european cup
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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the only club that has any interest in us are fricking bankrupt so it looks like we gonna have to make to do!
with just winning the european cup
Still seeking glory then.
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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the only club that has any interest in us are fricking bankrupt so it looks like we gonna have to make to do!
with just winning the european cup
Agree it might be hard, but Inter were interested allegedly. If the price is right, someone will take him. But thats irrelevant to the topic really.
There are gloryhunters - but I've yet to meet one on here.
Originally posted by markorm:
<strong>If someone moves away to another part of the country, would you expect them to start supporting the 'local' team to where they have moved to?
I would be interested to hear the views of the 'locals' on this thread.
I moved to Spain about four years ago, and I go to se both Valencia and Villareal regularly when they are at home, so I do "support" my local clubs here yes. I don't go to watch Castellón, even if they are my true local club, because they are in the Second Division B (third division if you like) and in all honesty the quality of the football is absolutely dire. This comes to a head when Valencia played Liverpool and I supported Valencia, which goes against my normal instinct of always supporting English clubs in Europe because them winning is good for English football.
However, non of them come anywhere close to United for me. Why? Because I don't have the passion for or links to these Spanish clubs, and if they win or lose it doesn't make me elated or misserable - it's only entertainment. United however is totally different to me, my great grandfather used to actively support them when they were not even called Manchester United. It's a tradition. It's in the blood. Even if United were in the conference I would still support them, and not with any less passion or interest.
Living here though means that I can only passively support them most of the time. But I will be taking the very long drive to La Coruña in March.
FergiesArmy, if its about titles, we won nothing last season and the odds are against us winning anything this season. We were 5th before today, and we'll see what the table looks like after the weekend, so we're not in a CL place at the moment.
Is this loyal no-criticism policy something you practiced under big Ron? Under Docherty? McGuinness? Sexton?
Is this loyal no-criticism policy something you practiced under big Ron? Under Docherty? McGuinness? Sexton?
It's all Sir Matt's and Sir Alex's fault that we've got so many non-local fans.
'Kin monster legends the two of them. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
'Kin monster legends the two of them. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
Originally posted by spinoza:
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I reckon some of those "new" supporters in Malaysia or Australia have been supporters longer than you have...
btw, the Red Cafe branch in Malaysia closed. Not enough people spending their ringgit there. Not surprising really, I'd rather watch United in a coffee shop with drinks for under 2 ringgit than go to the Red Cafe and spend 25 ringgit.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sad to see it also - Red Cafe branch
Coffee shop? Cool ain't it?
It is a sad fact of football life but EVERY team has glory hunters. Even obscure lower division minows have them; it's just the bigger the team, the greater the number of glory hunters. Have you ever looked at the attendance of, say, the FA Trophy final and wondered how teams that you've never even heard of can bring 30,000 to Wembley, yet when you look at their average attendance, they'd be lucky to get more than a few hundred. Or what about Divisional play-offs? Attendance at play-off finals is invariably double that of average attendances. The fact is whenever there's a sniff of a trophy or even an important game, people come out of the woodwork to watch it. Having a go at foreign based or non-local supporters is a futile exercise that simply misses this point.
Of course, I understand the frustration of passionate match-going Reds stuck next to inert 'muppets'. I have been to Old Trafford several times this season and have yet to sit next to any one who sings and shouts or even murmurs their support. But that's a reality that will never change unless they bring back the terraces. Attending football matches has become too comfortable and now resembles a day out to an entertainment show rather than an intense way of life. The only consolation for me is to have pride in the knowledge that when we were under-achieving, we almost always had the highest attendances. When United needed the support, they've always had it and that's the only thing that matters.
Of course, I understand the frustration of passionate match-going Reds stuck next to inert 'muppets'. I have been to Old Trafford several times this season and have yet to sit next to any one who sings and shouts or even murmurs their support. But that's a reality that will never change unless they bring back the terraces. Attending football matches has become too comfortable and now resembles a day out to an entertainment show rather than an intense way of life. The only consolation for me is to have pride in the knowledge that when we were under-achieving, we almost always had the highest attendances. When United needed the support, they've always had it and that's the only thing that matters.
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>It's all Sir Matt's and Sir Alex's fault that we've got so many non-local fans.
'Kin monster legends the two of them. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
blame the busby babes (munich distaster)
68
and the 90's
Its plain to see the outside fans moan the most, maybe coz they chose to support United. <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
Originally posted by giggzy:
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Its plain to see the outside fans moan the most, maybe coz they chose to support United. <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe it's true
Originally posted by giggzy:
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blame the busby babes (munich distaster)
68
and the 90's
That's what I mean, and the ultimate responsibility for all of those teams must lie the two managers. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
Originally posted by pjaya:
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Maybe it's true
i know.
i don't have a prob with outside uk/far east support...from the the pics i've seen some are more fanatical than uk based fans.
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
its not funny. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
Originally posted by holyland red:
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so you must have been there when I came glory hunting all the way from Israel to watch the boys hit you for 6 in your own back yard (28.11.90).
I tell you, these foreign glory hunters...
which reminds me that even back in those days you could lob the ball over safe hands quite easily</strong><hr></blockquote>
I assume that was the league cup 6-3 defeat.Lee Sharpe scored a hat trick I seem to remember?Well,I was at that match....but tell me if I got the wrong match.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Because the purpose of this argument is to prove to people like Gillespie that not everyone who supports United is a glory-seeker.
You seem to be going out of your way to prove him right.
Out of circa 67000 people there are bound to be muppets. Gillespie used the term "ALL".</strong><hr></blockquote>
Livvie,yes I did.....in a pejorative sense..I don't actually believe all Man Utd fans are glory hunters....BUT a HUGE number are....unlike any other club.Frankly,the Man Utd fan phenomenon is a feature of late 20th century Britain/Rest of the world and not mimicked any where else as far as I can see.
I was at Uni in Manchester(many many years ago) and used to go to OT one week and Maine Rd the next....the crowds back then were huge at OT and,like City's, very vocal.
I didn't get to a game at OT after leaving until 1998 (yes,truly,the Overmars goal) and whilst admiring how the stadium had improved,found the atmosphere unlike anything I could remember.
It was so quiet....and we get critised at Arsenal for quiet crowds ??
For a crowd of over 60,000 ,it's poor and shows how many attendees are ,I guess, on average a 2-3 games a season person.But,I tell you something ,it doesn't compare to the atmosphere that you once could experience at OT.
So are we selling Veron or not??
Originally posted by pjaya:
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Sad to see it also - Red Cafe branch
Coffee shop? Cool ain't it?
No I'm not. My dad is though. I moved over to the UK about 4 years ago, and I joined United so that I could watch games. I miss those 2 or 3 am sessions with my teh tarik, but going to OT is better than watching it anywhere else. I have to say though, I prefer the tea to a pint of beer.
How can we realisticly generate an atmosphere at OT when the local feckin inbreeds are still singing "ooh aah Cantona", how does that make our stikers feel- why the feck are they still singing about Cantona, if they wish to sing a song about a former player, then do so about one who done some damage in Europe. Seriously though, only gave my season ticket up this year to come to to Canada due to work comittments, but is everyone in Salford not an inbreed, the ones I met were.