Originally posted by Murt:
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I think the thing that annoys most ppl (well me annyway) are the fans who have recently decided to support Man Utd. Imo you have to grow up supporting a club to really be able to apreciate them. "Choosing a team" as a grown man is lame imo.
Ive never been to OT (seen Utd once in Dublin though) and i probably never will be able to go on a regular basis (hoping to make it a few times a yr in the not too distant future) but i do consider myself a 100% red. </strong><hr></blockquote>
But you are the wise ass who thinks if you support UTD for 30 years, you are better than some one who did so for 22 years for example. Now Unless you have some strong reasons, I can't believe that ‘Mr. UTD’ lived/lives in Ireland or in Sweden (hardly 1-2 hrs away) and never been to Old Trafford. Pathetic.
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You sure Act like one though
LOCAL VS FOREIGN BASED SUPPORTERS
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Originally posted by Im red:
<strong>Manchester United are a team who like to boast about their worldwide support, and why not we have the best support of any club on the planet. I do not come from Manchester, nor do I come from England. I come from Ireland and live in Germany but I am a United fan since 1967, after seeing George Best , Dennis Law , Bobby Charlton , and I continue to follow my team from over here in D land. I have created a rule at work that we all came to agree on, the rule is that in order for you to be able to hang a team pic of your favourite club on our canteen wall that club has to have won either the Domestic double in their homeland or a European trophy and those trophies MUST be in the photo. On our wall we have the following 1 photo Werder Bremen with Cup Winners Cup, 1 photo Schalke 04 with Uefa cup, 1 photo Dortmund with Champions League Cup, 2 photos Bayern München 1 with uefa cup, 1 with Champions league cup. 4. Photos Manchester United , 2 of our double winning teams, one with European Cup Winners Cup and one with the lot. I am proud to look at those photos everyday. It makes my breakfast taste just that little bit better
Soooo touching this sentimental tosh....admit it you all wannabe such a good Man Utd fan recognised by all.......bollocks.The REAL test is when you become 'Also Rans'....let's see how wonderfully supportive you are when a point at home to Southampton is regarded as a good thing !And let's see how many of you are here now !!
For all those claiming to be great fans over the years....tell me...why not choose Coventry City,Blackburn Rovers,Southampton,Aston Villa and the rest?....you are all just GLORY HUNTERS !!!
Originally posted by Gillespie:
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Soooo touching this sentimental tosh....admit it you all wannabe such a good Man Utd fan recognised by all.......bollocks.The REAL test is when you become 'Also Rans'....let's see how wonderfully supportive you are when a point at home to Southampton is regarded as a good thing !And let's see how many of you are here now !!
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Bullshit. You're calling us glory hunters just because our club has been successful over the last 10 years.
10 years mate. So you're calling all the 14 year olds who never had the chance to see the club before they started dominating glory hunters?
Looking at the posters here, I see them supporting United for 35 years, 30 years, 20+ years, I'm sure we weren't winning the league 7 times out of 10 since 1965.
Most of us have been through that also ran period you're banging on about. It's called the late 80s (for me at any rate - I was busy being born in the 70s). And we're all still here to tell the tale.
It doesnt make any difference where you are born, where you live or whatever, if it hurts deeply when you lose and if you would follow the side in the third division then you are a true fan.
Most of us outside supporters would die to get to OT, it just so happens we live on the far side of the world occasionally!
On a personal note ive followed the team since i was about 7, im 22 now. Ive seen UTD live when they were here in Oz a couple of years ago against Australia and I found myself screaming for Man Utd. Im up at 2am watching the premiership live on pay TV, i get up at 5am to watch our champions league matches, iv gotten up and got on buses at 4am to travel to pub somewhere to watch games. Does that make me any more of a supporter than the next guy? of course not, like i said if someone would follow the team anywhere they are a true fan, there should be no classifications, English or outsider, Manc or non Manc.
Most of us outside supporters would die to get to OT, it just so happens we live on the far side of the world occasionally!
On a personal note ive followed the team since i was about 7, im 22 now. Ive seen UTD live when they were here in Oz a couple of years ago against Australia and I found myself screaming for Man Utd. Im up at 2am watching the premiership live on pay TV, i get up at 5am to watch our champions league matches, iv gotten up and got on buses at 4am to travel to pub somewhere to watch games. Does that make me any more of a supporter than the next guy? of course not, like i said if someone would follow the team anywhere they are a true fan, there should be no classifications, English or outsider, Manc or non Manc.
Originally posted by spinoza:
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And why did you choose Arsenal? fecking glory hunter</strong><hr></blockquote>
The point I'm making is not how loyal you are as fans,but why would someone from ,say,Cheltenham ,decide to support Man Utd especially in the last 10 years rather than,say,Aston Villa (which is nearer)?The problem is ,your fan base includes a massive number of 'so-called' fans like these who wear the replica strip,swanking around saying how great you are and have never been (or even intend to go to) OT...and you just know that they'll all disappear when the fortunes of Man Utd decline.it's a fact that to some extent,all the succesful clubs will attract the glory hunting element,but nothing like the extent to which you lot have.#
As for me.....been supporting the Arse (season ticket holder for 15 years so well before football really became fashionable ),and no other choice for me as I grew up in Highbury.
I'm a foreign United supporter since '69 & no one's going to tell me I'm less passionate than a local - I waited for 26 years to at last taste League success!
I cried when Utd was relegated yet still watched them though their one season in Div 2, know all the names of every player since '69, bought every Utd mag, Shoot, Match, Football Monthly just for news on them.
I travelled to OT by the local bus from the coach station at 2200hrs one winter night in '78 on my way to Scotland just to savour the atmoshere even tho' the stadium was closed & I was the only soul around!
When I studied in London, I went to Highbury, Upton Park, Stamford Bridge, etc whenever I cud afford to, just to watch Utd play!
Over the last 8 years, I've brought my family thrice to OT even when there were no matches, just to visit the stadium & soak up the atmoshpere!
Altho' I live thousands of miles away, I watch every United match, when shown 'live'( which is 90% of the time! ), regardless of whether it's 0200hrs or 0400hrs in the morning or whether the match is a mere 'friendly' or 'irrelevant'!
No qualms about the local lads' loyalty, but some of us foreigners are just as dedicated - only the distance is the difference!
As to watching matches 'live', I agree with Neil Thompson that I'll go mainly to soak up the atmoshpere, but it depends on where one is sitted for a clear view of the match.
The greatest disadvantage tho' is missing the action & there are no replays - I was in Japan to watch Brazil vs Turkey during the WC, & I was a few minutes late coming back for the 2nd half as the stupid security men were too diligent & taking their time checking every ticket & I missed Ronaldo's goal!
I cried when Utd was relegated yet still watched them though their one season in Div 2, know all the names of every player since '69, bought every Utd mag, Shoot, Match, Football Monthly just for news on them.
I travelled to OT by the local bus from the coach station at 2200hrs one winter night in '78 on my way to Scotland just to savour the atmoshere even tho' the stadium was closed & I was the only soul around!
When I studied in London, I went to Highbury, Upton Park, Stamford Bridge, etc whenever I cud afford to, just to watch Utd play!
Over the last 8 years, I've brought my family thrice to OT even when there were no matches, just to visit the stadium & soak up the atmoshpere!
Altho' I live thousands of miles away, I watch every United match, when shown 'live'( which is 90% of the time! ), regardless of whether it's 0200hrs or 0400hrs in the morning or whether the match is a mere 'friendly' or 'irrelevant'!
No qualms about the local lads' loyalty, but some of us foreigners are just as dedicated - only the distance is the difference!
As to watching matches 'live', I agree with Neil Thompson that I'll go mainly to soak up the atmoshpere, but it depends on where one is sitted for a clear view of the match.
The greatest disadvantage tho' is missing the action & there are no replays - I was in Japan to watch Brazil vs Turkey during the WC, & I was a few minutes late coming back for the 2nd half as the stupid security men were too diligent & taking their time checking every ticket & I missed Ronaldo's goal!
id just like to know where everyone was when we had thirty thousand against luton and wimbledon in the late 80s?
how you all doing guys?
how you all doing guys?
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
<strong>id just like to know where everyone was when we had thirty thousand against luton and wimbledon in the late 80s?
how you all doing guys?
Nothing to do with glory-seeking. United weren't always playing the kind of football that entertained around that time.
and, fergiesarmy...
where the feck have you been?
where the feck have you been?
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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so you only watch them if they play well? im suprised we get 67000 these days then cause its the worst football ive seen for years!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
No. But you asked why there were smaller gates for some games, and I offered a suggestion.
Like it or not, there will be some people who don't go if the football isn't good to watch.
And if the team continues to put in poor displays, the gates will fall again.
it happened in Rons last season...and it was only twice...
still had the highest average attendance in Britain that year!
still had the highest average attendance in Britain that year!
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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No. But you asked why there were smaller gates for some games, and I offered a suggestion.
Like it or not, there will be some people who don't go if the football isn't good to watch.
And if the team continues to put in poor displays, the gates will fall again.</strong><hr></blockquote>
the reason why more people watch us now is because we have been winning trophies left right and centre, these are the same ones that moan at every mistake, the same ones who call for players to be taken off and the same ones who dont get behind the team they turn up with thier cameras and popcorn take pictures of beckham and think thats supporting.
its not its watching, i wish they would all feck off back to where they came from cause they piss me off!
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>and, fergiesarmy...
where the feck have you been?</strong><hr></blockquote>
been a bit busy giggsy
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Bollox.
No-one is denying that those "fans" exist. But the fans from the 70s are still there, along with their own kids, who follow United just because it's a family thing.</strong><hr></blockquote>
how can it be bollocks if you cant deny it?
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i had the misfortune to sit in the scoreboard or whatever bollocks its called now in front of the handicap error and there was a family in front of me who thought i was mad when i tried supporting the team.
all they wanted to see was beckham who was on the bench they didnt give a feck about anything else, they had southern accents didnt know who half the players were and didnt contribute a thing to the atmosphere.
if you think they are worth having as supporters of united then you are as mad as i thought you were
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Because the purpose of this argument is to prove to people like Gillespie that not everyone who supports United is a glory-seeker.
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i never said everyone that supports united is a glory-seeker!!
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but more and more fans are being pushed out of going to united by the club and all these other muppets who suddenly turned up to see beckham and tell thier friends that they went to old trafford and it just fecks me off!
Originally posted by Gillespie:
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The point I'm making is not how loyal you are as fans,but why would someone from ,say,Cheltenham ,decide to support Man Utd especially in the last 10 years rather than,say,Aston Villa (which is nearer)?The problem is ,your fan base includes a massive number of 'so-called' fans like these who wear the replica strip,swanking around saying how great you are and have never been (or even intend to go to) OT...and you just know that they'll all disappear when the fortunes of Man Utd decline.it's a fact that to some extent,all the succesful clubs will attract the glory hunting element,but nothing like the extent to which you lot have.#
As for me.....been supporting the Arse (season ticket holder for 15 years so well before football really became fashionable ),and no other choice for me as I grew up in Highbury.
so you must have been there when I came glory hunting all the way from Israel to watch the boys hit you for 6 in your own back yard (28.11.90).
I tell you, these foreign glory hunters...
which reminds me that even back in those days you could lob the ball over safe hands quite easily
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
<strong>id just like to know where everyone was when we had thirty thousand against luton and wimbledon in the late 80s?
how you all doing guys?
In the army, listening to the BBC world service
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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but more and more fans are being pushed out of going to united by the club and all these other muppets who suddenly turned up to see beckham and tell thier friends that they went to old trafford and it just fecks me off!
i agree with that...
the ones in the executive seats or whatever they are called are the worst.. they never sing, cheer, always moan and complain when you stand up....even when there's a goal mouth incident!!
and i hate the kin beckham fans. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
What pisses me off more than anything is the total hypocracy of some United fans who whinge about out of town support.
Those same fans would have been out there enjoying all the success of the 90s, especially Barca 99.
But without the out of town support, none of it would have happened. In a season I put in more money and more time than any local.
So live with it.
Those same fans would have been out there enjoying all the success of the 90s, especially Barca 99.
But without the out of town support, none of it would have happened. In a season I put in more money and more time than any local.
So live with it.
Originally posted by Gillespie:
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The point I'm making is not how loyal you are as fans,but why would someone from ,say,Cheltenham ,decide to support Man Utd especially in the last 10 years rather than,say,Aston Villa (which is nearer)?The problem is ,your fan base includes a massive number of 'so-called' fans like these who wear the replica strip,swanking around saying how great you are and have never been (or even intend to go to) OT...and you just know that they'll all disappear when the fortunes of Man Utd decline.it's a fact that to some extent,all the succesful clubs will attract the glory hunting element,but nothing like the extent to which you lot have.#
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Point taken. You should make your point properly instead of trying to stir up shit.
I think you're wrong there about us attracting more glory hunters, I remember a whole lot of so called Liverpool supporters who disappeared in the early 90s and have resurfaced again. Its just that no one remembers them because it was 10+ years ago and we all have short memories.
All big clubs attract glory hunters. If Arsenal doesn't, its because they haven't been successful enough for long enough. It's beginning for them though I can tell you that.
There are other reasons for supporting a football club other than that you grew up near the stadium. My own is that my dad lived in Salford for a long time before moving back to the far east. I support United because my dad supports United. I had never been to Manchester until I was 19. Hell I'd never been to the UK until I was 19.
Now if that makes me a glory hunter then too fecking bad.
Originally posted by Gillespie:
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As for me.....been supporting the Arse (season ticket holder for 15 years so well before football really became fashionable ),and no other choice for me as I grew up in Highbury.
I reckon footie was fashionable way before 1987. Are you talking about Arsenal or football in general?
As I understand it, unless you're a season ticket holder you couldn't get into Highbury anyway, so plenty of Arsenal fans have to make do with swanking around in replica strips don't they?
I really think that's terrible. I don't have a season ticket for United but at least I get to go to some matches.
fecking beckham advert on telly again
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