Who is Tel Aviv? and what does it have to do with Syria?
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Why cant you just answer? I told you, 'Im puttng this here' but aren't you from Israel? Just tell me your views so that I can rage. Why are you showing attitude?
Actually, if I was being stupid I could link the two by saying its about judaism vs islam but obviously you're showing attitude for no reason.
Edit - Had to alter post due to new rules.
Actually, if I was being stupid I could link the two by saying its about judaism vs islam but obviously you're showing attitude for no reason.
Edit - Had to alter post due to new rules.
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I don't know what you mean by Tel Aviv. Why is it relevant to the temple any more than Syria?
I just copy and pasted it. They're wanting to replace Al Aqsa with the temple, I wanted to know what you think of the whole thing and what chaos would occur between Jews and Muslims because its a controversal topic however I see that you dont want to answer. It has no link to Syria and I didnt want to create a new topic however this was the closest thing I could find to post it in.
I haven't heard a thing about it, but using a source referring to Israel as "Tel Aviv" you are likely to hear all sorts of things. I suggest mainstream media for milder criticism of Israel.
When the capitol name is used in this way then it generally means the government of that country.
EDIT: example: Damascus confirms it will attend next round of peace talks
Also don't see why it's so difficult to give an opinion about an issue that's closely related to where you live.
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That's true. However using "Latakia confirms it will attend next round of peace talks" would have looked a bit odd you have to admit.
Latakia was never an official capital for Syria though, unlike Tel Aviv. But it was my fault trying to compare you guys to a proper country, that can name a proper capital.
And you still didn't answer the question that started this debate by the way.
1. There isqwas no debate here whatsoever.
2. Was Tel Aviv a capital of Syria? I know "Palestine" was referred to as "Southern Syria" by the Arabs, but Tel Aviv was never its capital. It has never been Israel's capital either.
3. Our capital is Jerusalem. Has been for 1000's of years.
Going back on topic Syria is a proper country, whose capital you could name. Could you also name the 100 people that were murdered there today? how about yesterday?
- Tel Aviv was the official capital when "Israel" was created.
- It doesn't matter what they called it (Palestine). It's not about what we call a country. It's about the people who lived in it, which you displaced when you came from Western Europe and other areas around the world.
- Who are "you" in "our capital"?
- Throw the modern Americans out of America first before you get to start to discuss your "right" in "Israel".
- Don't know about the names, but around half of those 100 are not Syrians. Not sure what point you're making though other than showing you joy that those people are dying.
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Arabs were displaced during/after they lost a war they had started, aimed at throwing the Jews to the sea. Jews were displaced from the Arab world for no reason.
How many of the demolished neighbourhoods in the pics are Syrian? 50%?
How many of the demolished neighbourhoods in the pics are Syrian? 50%?
Vast majority of Israelis didn't come from the Arab world. Remember? The holocaust? War started when the Arabs were already displaced. Many many Jews were still living in Arab lands in 1948. Most Jews who left the Arab lands didn't go to Israel.
It's Syrians demolishing Syrian homes. It's their country, just like Syrians putting Syrian people in jail.. Would be different if they were demolishing Israeli homes, or putting Israelis in prison wouldn't it?
In the years following WW2 and 1948 very few holocaust survivors made it to Palestine as the Brits forcefully prevented immigration. In fact, a good chunk of the immigration in those days was from Muslim countries as Jews were experiencing pogroms there.
Care to elaborate on the Arabs that were displaced before the war? or on the fate of the Jews still living in Arab lands in 1948?
Arabs displaced...Jews left...how convenient...
...and yet another attempt at going back on topic...I see...Syrians killing Syrians is fine. Proper country. What's your take on Syrians starving and massacring Palestinians btw?
- Are you acting like you don't know what we're talking about? We're talking about what happened before the 1948 war. In 1948 you already occupied Arab's lands, i.e. you started the displacement. The war was started to get back what you took, but with the Western help they failed.. Are you trying to re-write the history books? Until 1948 (the war) less than 10% of Jews who immigrated to Israel were coming from Arab lands.
By the way, I like how the problem started with a holocaust in Europe, yet when it comes to talking about a solution suddenly it becomes the Arabs' fault all the way..
- First of all why are there Palestinians in Syria? You realize that we're still talking about Syria, right?
Not only the Palestinians are suffering in Syria, the Lebanese and the Syrians are also suffering there. There is a regional conflict going in Syria, with terrorists being major players in the scenes, what do you expect? In many cases the rebels (about half of whom aren't even Syrians) are now holding the civilians hostages. They try to undermine any effort to ease their humanitarian situation of the people living there, either by letting them go, or letting the government deliver them the necessary food and medicines directly. They're using them as bargaining chips, so if the regime attacks them they say he's attacking civilians, and if they run out of food and arms, they use the civilians as an excuse to get all the necessary supplies for their fighters.
Do you know who is controlling Al-Yarmouk camp? (till yesterday though it seems)
Al-Nusra agrees to hand over Yarmouk to Palestinian control
09 February 2014 23:45 (Last updated 09 February 2014 23:52)
Besides, you're again trying too hard just to prove that Israel are just as bad as Assad, when in fact even the people who are put on the pro-Assad side are still criticizing a lot of what he did, and the people who are against him think it's justifiable to start a war to remove his regime! (if it wasn't for their fear about the consequences)
You, on the other hand, don't see anything wrong with anything Israel does, and think it was justifiable from the start what they did all along (I also liked your comments about the destruction of the civilians homes in Lebanon).. That's why you should never bring up the hypocrisy issue here, because that's like your specialty.
I'd be glad to discuss with you about all the above elsewhere, without the need to hijack this thread.
How about going in trying to release the hostages? That's what most proper countries would have as plan A. Plan B would be dropping humanitarian aid instead of barrels of explosives. Plan C could be asking for international aid. I'm absolutely sure the flotilla heroes are available after saving the Gazans from starvation. Going on the internet blaming AQ should come as a distant 4th option at most FFS.
It really is difficult pointing at Israel's wrongdoings when it faces enemies who aspire to wipe it out. Under these circumstances everything Israel does is justifyable as a measure of self-defense. You could argue all you want whether Israel should be there or not, but you don't really expect Israelis to just give it up because you don't like their survival attempts.
As I said, I'd be delighted to discuss this further in an Israeli-Arab conflict thread if you want.
I'm sorry but Israel can never justify it's actions. It is a crime against humanity and the only reason nothing is being done about it is because Israel has the entire west in it's backpocket, not to mention, the majority of leaders in world organisations are too corrupt/puppeteers set up by the West to never get involved.
Get involved in what?
Does anyone even care anymore?????? This has been going on for months. This doesn't need boots on the ground to solve. No-flight zones and dropping supplies would stop systematic starvation of civilians not involved in the fighting.
Insight: Starvation in Syria: a war tactic
Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:27am EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013...hunger-insight-idUSBRE99T07I20131030#comments
A boy makes bread in Duma neighbourhood, in Damascus September 22, 2013. All official government bakeries were closed since 10 months ago and no flour has reached the area except those smuggled by Free Syrian army members, activists said.
(This story was reported by a visiting journalist whose name has been withheld for security reasons)
(Reuters) - One Syrian security official called it the "Starvation Until Submission Campaign", blocking food and medicine from entering and people from leaving besieged areas of Syria.
Forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad have used partial sieges to root out rebel forces from residential areas during the civil war. But a recent tightening of blockades around areas near the capital is causing starvation and death, residents and medical staff say.
At an army checkpoint that separates government-held central Damascus from eastern suburban towns earlier this month, a thin, teenage boy on a bicycle circled a soldier and begged to be allowed to take a bag of pita bread, a staple food, into the eastern suburbs. The soldier refused but the boy kept begging for "just one loaf".
The soldier finally shouted: "I'm telling you, not a single morsel is allowed in there. I don't make the rules. There are those bigger than me and you who make the rules and they're watching us right now. So go back home." The soldier, visibly upset, exhaled quietly and deeply when the boy slipped out of sight.
The incident illustrates how blockades are being used as a weapon in a war that grew out of pro-democracy protests in the summer of 2011, increasing an already grave humanitarian crisis. Blockades are employed mostly by the government but also on a smaller scale by the armed opposition.
Food and medicine, which could be used by the warring parties, are rarely allowed to enter besieged areas and the movement of civilians in and out is restricted.
Over one million Syrians are trapped in areas where aid deliveries have stalled, the United Nations says.
The U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said in a report last month that half of those people are in rural Damascus and around 310,000 people more trapped in Homs province in central Syria.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/30/us-syria-crisis-hunger-insight-idUSBRE99T07I20131030
Insight: Starvation in Syria: a war tactic
Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:27am EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013...hunger-insight-idUSBRE99T07I20131030#comments
A boy makes bread in Duma neighbourhood, in Damascus September 22, 2013. All official government bakeries were closed since 10 months ago and no flour has reached the area except those smuggled by Free Syrian army members, activists said.
(This story was reported by a visiting journalist whose name has been withheld for security reasons)
(Reuters) - One Syrian security official called it the "Starvation Until Submission Campaign", blocking food and medicine from entering and people from leaving besieged areas of Syria.
Forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad have used partial sieges to root out rebel forces from residential areas during the civil war. But a recent tightening of blockades around areas near the capital is causing starvation and death, residents and medical staff say.
At an army checkpoint that separates government-held central Damascus from eastern suburban towns earlier this month, a thin, teenage boy on a bicycle circled a soldier and begged to be allowed to take a bag of pita bread, a staple food, into the eastern suburbs. The soldier refused but the boy kept begging for "just one loaf".
The soldier finally shouted: "I'm telling you, not a single morsel is allowed in there. I don't make the rules. There are those bigger than me and you who make the rules and they're watching us right now. So go back home." The soldier, visibly upset, exhaled quietly and deeply when the boy slipped out of sight.
The incident illustrates how blockades are being used as a weapon in a war that grew out of pro-democracy protests in the summer of 2011, increasing an already grave humanitarian crisis. Blockades are employed mostly by the government but also on a smaller scale by the armed opposition.
Food and medicine, which could be used by the warring parties, are rarely allowed to enter besieged areas and the movement of civilians in and out is restricted.
Over one million Syrians are trapped in areas where aid deliveries have stalled, the United Nations says.
The U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said in a report last month that half of those people are in rural Damascus and around 310,000 people more trapped in Homs province in central Syria.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/30/us-syria-crisis-hunger-insight-idUSBRE99T07I20131030
Look how the "Syrian rebels" gather the children at the site from which they launch fire, or even use them to launch the fire themselves.
I wonder why they do that. May be hoping the government forces would strike back?
I wonder why they do that. May be hoping the government forces would strike back?
You're something, aren't you? Couldn't hear any coplaints when it was Hamas who did the exact same thing.
Still, it doesn't take a rocket scientist (although the Iranians could provide these to Assad too) to figure out how to save Al-Yarmouk residents from starvation.
Still, it doesn't take a rocket scientist (although the Iranians could provide these to Assad too) to figure out how to save Al-Yarmouk residents from starvation.
HR, didn't you suggest that we should keep this thread about Syria? You change the subject every time, and then when I reply to you, you say "I don't want to hijack the thread".
Give it a rest.
Oh, and Al-Yarmouk residents are being held hostages by the Al-Nusra, who was finally forced to accept the demands of the Palestinians, and the process of evacuation has already started (for the sick people) and aids are already getting in (or trying to).
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Fighting guerrilla.war from residential areas is nothing new. It's plain hypocricy bringing this up as.an excuse for war crimes committed.by Assad's forces. There is NO reason whatsoever why those civilians should.starve to death. No YouTube piece is going to change that.
May be then we can use the reason you used to justify this?
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I see... Starve the Palestinians because that's what the Yanks did to the Iraqis. Excellent argument.
So basically your point is if others can starve them so can israel ?
Maybe israel can send in the iaf to sort out the terrorists ? or maybe not since they're allies of yours
So basically your point is if others can starve them so can israel ?
Maybe israel can send in the iaf to sort out the terrorists ? or maybe not since they're allies of yours
You are not very bright, are you?
Israel's allies appear to be evenly distributed on both sides. A stalemate in which both sides are busy killing each other instead of pointing their weapons at Israel is an attractive scenario as far as our security is concerned. I don't really expect any of the Muslims on here to see anything beyond the Iranian/Syrian-Saudi/Qatari divide either. However, I still expect people to take a break from their excuses and slogans when there are people who are deliberately being starved to death on the streets of Allepo and Damascus.
Oh, well...
This post deserves an Oscar.
Thats why israel is supporting the terrorists to even the scales a bit otherwise assad would overrun them.
See you're capable of spilling out truth every once in a while.
So, your latest version of events is that Israel supports AQ...the truth is finally spilled out.
I suggest your mate waits with his Oscar nominations.
I suggest your mate waits with his Oscar nominations.
Syria army, rebels agree new Damascus area truce
Babbila (Syria) (AFP) - Syria's army and rebels have agreed local truces in key flashpoints around Damascus, despite regime and opposition representatives failing to make any progress in Geneva peace talks.
In the southern suburb of Babbila, AFP journalists on Monday saw rebels and soldiers -- all armed -- in conversation, which would have been unthinkable just days ago.
The local truces come 18 months into fierce fighting in and around the capital that has led rebels and President Bashar al-Assad's forces to compromise, with neither side able to clinch victory.
In addition to Babbila, deals have been struck for Qudsaya, Moadamiyet al-Sham, Barzeh, Beit Sahem, Yalda and Yarmuk Palestinian refugee camp.
Negotiated by public figures, the accords involve a truce, a siege being lifted and food allowed in to rebel-held areas, with opposition fighters handing over heavy weapons and the regime raising its flag.
A new agreement is reported to be in the offing for Harasta, a rebel bastion northeast of Damascus, and talks over Daraya to the southwest are also under way.
An AFP journalist visiting Babbila accompanied by official regime escorts saw dozens of cheering residents chant: "One, one, one! The Syrian people are one!"
There was widespread devastation. On Babbila's main street, every single building had been either destroyed or damaged.
On Monday, regime troops raised the flag over the municipality in Babbila, which was a rebel rear base until several months ago when the army laid siege to it.
Armed rebels were still present, as the terms of the accord also included an amnesty, a security source said.
Rebels in military fatigues stood idly around, chatting with soldiers. There was no shooting or shelling.
But rebels did protest during the symbolic hoisting of the regime's flag, chanting: "Syria is free!"
Troops countered with: "God save the army!"
Graffiti on Babbila's walls called on the regime to release prisoners.
- Public services pledge -
As bulldozers cleared away rubble, Damascus province governor Hussein Makhluf pledged that public services would be restored to the ravaged area.
"We can feel the sons of the nation uniting," said Makhluf, blaming "foreigners" for the conflict.
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http://news.yahoo.com/syria-army-rebels-agree-damascus-area-truce-174301596.html
Babbila (Syria) (AFP) - Syria's army and rebels have agreed local truces in key flashpoints around Damascus, despite regime and opposition representatives failing to make any progress in Geneva peace talks.
In the southern suburb of Babbila, AFP journalists on Monday saw rebels and soldiers -- all armed -- in conversation, which would have been unthinkable just days ago.
The local truces come 18 months into fierce fighting in and around the capital that has led rebels and President Bashar al-Assad's forces to compromise, with neither side able to clinch victory.
In addition to Babbila, deals have been struck for Qudsaya, Moadamiyet al-Sham, Barzeh, Beit Sahem, Yalda and Yarmuk Palestinian refugee camp.
Negotiated by public figures, the accords involve a truce, a siege being lifted and food allowed in to rebel-held areas, with opposition fighters handing over heavy weapons and the regime raising its flag.
A new agreement is reported to be in the offing for Harasta, a rebel bastion northeast of Damascus, and talks over Daraya to the southwest are also under way.
An AFP journalist visiting Babbila accompanied by official regime escorts saw dozens of cheering residents chant: "One, one, one! The Syrian people are one!"
There was widespread devastation. On Babbila's main street, every single building had been either destroyed or damaged.
On Monday, regime troops raised the flag over the municipality in Babbila, which was a rebel rear base until several months ago when the army laid siege to it.
Armed rebels were still present, as the terms of the accord also included an amnesty, a security source said.
Rebels in military fatigues stood idly around, chatting with soldiers. There was no shooting or shelling.
But rebels did protest during the symbolic hoisting of the regime's flag, chanting: "Syria is free!"
Troops countered with: "God save the army!"
Graffiti on Babbila's walls called on the regime to release prisoners.
- Public services pledge -
As bulldozers cleared away rubble, Damascus province governor Hussein Makhluf pledged that public services would be restored to the ravaged area.
"We can feel the sons of the nation uniting," said Makhluf, blaming "foreigners" for the conflict.
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http://news.yahoo.com/syria-army-rebels-agree-damascus-area-truce-174301596.html
we are due some good news...
Islamists demand levy from Christians in Syrian city
Good to see that the Syrians are enjoying democracy in the areas outside the government control.
Good to see that the Syrians are enjoying democracy in the areas outside the government control.
Christians generally don't do very well under Muslim rule, do they?
They were doing well under Assad's rule.
So I understand. Still, don't they pretty much depend on the goodwill of the dictator, and how he reigns in the loons?
I would take a dictator over those ruling the "free" part of Syria without hesitation.
Can't argue, given the choice. One still wonders why Christian Arabs have to choose between these two evils.
Ba'athism was conceived by an Arab Christian.
Influenced strongly by an Atheist and with the help of a Sunnai Muslim wasn't it?
Though like many movements one or two individuals are often viewed as the founders even though they had the help of many others.
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