Livestream out of Syria

[Danny1982]

Syria Rebel Beheaded In Error By Jihadists
A video reportedly posted on the internet allegedly shows two fighters holding up a bearded man's head before a crowd in Aleppo.

Al Qaeda-linked jihadists in Syria have reportedly admitted beheading a rebel fighter by mistake.

They apparently believed he was an Iraqi Shiite fighting alongside President Bashar al Assad's forces.

A video posted on the internet on Wednesday allegedly showed two members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) holding up a bearded man's head before a crowd in Aleppo, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

The UK-based watchdog's chief Rami Abdel Rahman said: "Some minutes after the video was posted, the man was identified as Mohammed Marroush, a fighter with rebel group Ahrar al Sham.

"ISIL later admitted the rebel had been killed by mistake and said it had arrested one of its men, a Tunisian, for decapitating him. He was referred to their Islamic court."

The second man, also a foreign fighter and from the Gulf, has not been detained.

The Islamist Ahrar al Sham is an ISIL ally.

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http://news.sky.com/story/1169091/syria-rebel-beheaded-in-error-by-jihadists

 

[VidaRed]

Jews suffered pogroms in Arab countries before the State of Israel ever existed. Jews didn't just displaced Arabs but immigrated to their homeland after the fall of the Ottoman empire and during British imperialism. The displacent of Arabs resulted from a war that meant to rid this place.of the Jews. You can't expect the Jews to apologize for winning that war.

The Arabs don't have to accept the outcome of that war, and unfortunately it looks like they are waiting for their chance to "re-claim" what they think belongs to them. Only that we keep.hearing how.miserable.they are as they are the last."refugees" from 1940's displaced 10's of millions still "enjoying" the status. Victimhood.

Re your Lebanon comment, does that mean that Israel couldn't possibly start a war with Lebanon asong as Ron Arad isn't back? Alternatively, are you denying the fact that Lebanon bombarded Israel's north on the morning of the attack of the IDF vehicle?

Doesn't the torah itself claim that the jewish people massacered the natives after being freed by moses. Were the people in jericho immigrants or natives or were invading jewish people native or immigrants ? Clear up this point for me...i dont know the history in detail

 

[holyland red]

Doesn't the torah itself claim that the jewish people massacered the natives after being freed by moses. Were the people in jericho immigrants or natives or were invading jewish people native or immigrants ? Clear up this point for me...i dont know the history in detail

We did have some rough edges back then if the holy scripts are to be believed.

 

[Mihajlovic]

Between Israel and Nazis : Ethnic cleansing, apartheid to name a few. But with the backing of the US everything is possible.

Apart from this awfully sickening analogy I liked how nostalgically you declared the Ottoman rule as a time of peace. I know that my ancestors have also enjoyed very much being under the Ottoman rule for a few centuries- and to be fair you could have actually lived in peace as long as you paid your taxes and admitted to be treated like a subhuman.

 

[Hellboy]

Apart from this awfully sickening analogy I liked how nostalgically you declared the Ottoman rule as a time of peace. I know that my ancestors have also enjoyed very much being under the Ottoman rule for a few centuries- and to be fair you could have actually lived in peace as long as you paid your taxes and admitted to be treated like a subhuman.

I'm sure your ancestors lived better than the Palestinians at this moment in time who are murdered everyday by the talmudic racist extremist state. Apart from this, you can't really compare these two situations.

 

[Hellboy]

They didn't represent 0.1% of muslims around the world. You always play the victim card which has been a juicy business for more than 50 years now. And yes, you share a lot of things with the Nazis that persecuted you. You are doing the same to the Palestinians, but one day justice will be done and it will be the happiest day of my life.

 

[Mihajlovic]

I'm sure your ancestors lived better than the Palestinians at this moment in time who are murdered everyday by the talmudic racist extremist state. Apart from this, you can't really compare these two situations.

Well no, they did not live better than the today's Palestinians, but that's a different topic.

Btw, hundreds of Arabs across the 20+ Arab countries are getting murdered, massacred, stoned and decapitated by their fellow Arabs every day, and yet the happiest day of your life would not be the day this insanity stops, but the day the Jews are defeated. Say no more.

 

[Hellboy]

Well no, they did not live better than the today's Palestinians, but that's a different topic.

Btw, hundreds of Arabs across the 20+ Arab countries are getting murdered, massacred, stoned and decapitated by their fellow Arabs every day, and yet the happiest day of your life would not be the day this insanity stops, but the day the Jews are defeated. Say no more.

So if the Arabs across the 20+ Arab countries are murdering each other as you say, it's perfectly fine for the Zionists to murder and rob Palestinians from their basic rights ? That's a brilliant rhetoric. And btw I'm not speaking about Jews but Israel and zionists. There are a lot of jews that are anti-zionist.

 

[Mihajlovic]

So if the Arabs across the 20+ Arab countries are murdering each other as you say, it's perfectly fine for the Zionists to murder and rob Palestinians from their basic rights ? That's a brilliant rhetoric. And btw I'm not speaking about Jews but Israel and zionists. There are a lot of jews that are anti-zionist.

You're the one who cares about the well-being of Arabs so I thought you'd be more concerned about those dying by the hand of their own, especially considering the incredibly high number and the levels of suffering of innocent men women and children. The hard fact of life is that an Arab probably lives ten times safer in Israel than in most of these Arab countries. Imagine this shit, Arab women can even wear what they want in Israel. It's been said many times on this forum already, the Arabs are enjoying a far greater freedom in Israel than their cousins just over the border in Egypt, or Syria.

 

[Hellboy]

You're the one who cares about the well-being of Arabs so I thought you'd be more concerned about those dying by the hand of their own, especially considering the incredibly high number and the levels of suffering of innocent men women and children. The hard fact of life is that an Arab probably lives ten times safer in Israel than in most of these Arab countries. Imagine this shit, Arab women can even wear what they want in Israel. It's been said many times on this forum already, the Arabs are enjoying a far greater freedom in Israel than their cousins just over the border in Egypt, or Syria.

That is an other subject that we could argue for days about. You're using the same boring rhetoric defending the amazing democracy that is Israel, where Arabs supposedly are free and women can wear what they want which is quite silly. This is not about wearing clothes, it is a little more subtile than that. Israel is not a country of peace and brotherhood. As R.Eitan said : "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle". Poetic isn't it. They were promised the land by God, but they stole it and ruined the lives of millions of innocents in the region that's why Zionism and Judaism are two different things

We're drifting away from the topic, so I won't say anything more about the subject, because criticizing Israel is somehow difficult when it's probably the most dangerous country in the world.

 

[holyland red]

They didn't represent 0.1% of muslims around the world. You always play the victim card which has been a juicy business for more than 50 years now. And yes, you share a lot of things with the Nazis that persecuted you. You are doing the same to the Palestinians, but one day justice will be done and it will be the happiest day of my life.

The bearded bloke in the middle is no other than the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al-Husseini. He had plans for the Jews, you know, before Israel was even created. To see out his plans he met prominent friendly figures, both in Berlin and in Auschwitz...

 

[holyland red]

I'm sure your ancestors lived better than the Palestinians at this moment in time who are murdered everyday by the talmudic racist extremist state. Apart from this, you can't really compare these two situations.

Can you share the horrifc stories of the brutal Palestinian deaths that happen here everyday? I'm sure there are many on here who would be interested in the information.

 

[holyland red]

You are doing the same to the Palestinians, but one day justice will be done and it will be the happiest day of my life.

Will that be a happier day than the one where a Palestinian wins a Nobel prize in science for example?

 

[VidaRed]

The bearded bloke in the middle is no other than the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al-Husseini. He had plans for the Jews, you know, before Israel was even created. To see out his plans he met prominent friendly figures, both in Berlin and in Auschwitz...

These pictures don't imply he had plans to exterminate jews. Fact of the matter is that people fighting against british imperialism saw the nazis as allies due to the old enemy of my enemy principle. Even Indian nationalists met with them, doesn't mean they had "plans" against the jews.

 

[holyland red]

Though absolutely appalling in the example of Nazi Germany, collaborating with your enemy's enemy still doesn't equate to airing propaganda on Berlin radio, discussing with the Nazis the extension of their treatment of Jews to the Middle East and the recruit of a Muslim SS unit which took part in atrocities in the Balkans.

I'm sure you're aware of Al-Husseini's constant anti-Jewish incitement as the Grand Mufti, so no matter how brutal British ocuupation of India was that may have justified these disturbing images you posted, there is no doubt what benefit he saw in collaborating with the Nazis.

 

[VidaRed]

There was even an Indian unit fighting along with germans in europe. They certainly didn't have "plans" to execute.

Enemy of my enemy.

On another note do you agree or disagree with the claim that the jews were prosecuted more in europe under christian kingdoms compared to in west asia under islamic kingdoms ?

 

[holyland red]

One can't argue with the numbers. However, why Christian brutality means that Jews should embrace life under Islamic rule is beyond me.

Do you agree or disagree that Jews, like any other nation, deserve self determination?

 

[Mihajlovic]

One can't argue with the numbers. However, why Christian brutality means that Jews should embrace life under Islamic rule is beyond me.

Do you agree or disagree that Jews, like any other nation, deserve self I determination?

Because under the Islamic rule you were killed/tortured/being expulsed in much lesser numbers. Certainly that's got to count for something, right

 

[VidaRed]

One can't argue with the numbers. However, why Christian brutality means that Jews should embrace life under Islamic rule is beyond me.

Do you agree or disagree that Jews, like any other nation, deserve self I determination?

No one's saying to embrace islamic rule.

self determination yes but not by kicking out others.

 

[holyland red]

No one's saying to embrace islamic rule.

self determination yes but not by kicking out others.

You're avoiding my question. Who was the one kicking out others is a question of when you start counting history.

What I mean is given the current situation, and assuming you're not running a miserable life waiting for the joy of seeing one side of the divide disappear, do you ackonwledge the right of the Jewish people for an independent state in the area which is currently called Israel?

 

[Relevated]

Say 'no', vida.

 

[Hellboy]

Will that be a happier day than the one where a Palestinian wins a Nobel prize in science for example?

Well, stopping the murder of children and school bombings would be a good start.

You're avoiding my question. Who was the one kicking out others is a question of when you start counting history.

What I mean is given the current situation, and assuming you're not running a miserable life waiting for the joy of seeing one side of the divide disappear, do you ackonwledge the right of the Jewish people for an independent state in the area which is currently called Israel?

A state where the jews and muslims can live together is the only solution, not the lies about two states when there is no geographical continuity between Gaza & WB that only serve the Zionists and give them time to further colonize. As long as Israhell is a racialist, talmudic, extremist state there will be no peace.

 

[holyland red]

Viva hate

 

[Mihajlovic]

Well, stopping the murder of children and school bombings would be a good start.



A state where the jews and muslims can live together is the only solution, not the lies about two states when there is no geographical continuity between Gaza & WB that only serve the Zionists and give them time to further colonize. As long as Israhell is a racialist, talmudic, extremist state there will be no peace.

There already is a state where Jews and Muslims live together. What's your point?

 

[VidaRed]

Former Germany prospect killed in Syria

A former Germany youth international was killed in the Syrian civil war last month, it has emerged.

German media reported that Burak Karan, 26, was killed in action on Oct. 11, and the nation's intelligence agencies confirmed the news of his death on Monday.

Karan was on the books at Alemannia Aachen and made seven appearances for the Germany under-16 and under-17 teams alongside the likes of Kevin-Prince Boateng, Sami Khedira and Dennis Aogo, but he decided to walk away from the game at the age of 20. He reportedly became an Islamist and was said to have been fighting for rebels against Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad’s

Ba'ath party when he was killed. However, his brother denied he had become a radical fighter and said he was only looking to supervise the distribution of relief supplies near the Turkish border.
“If he armed himself, it was only to defend himself,” he told Bild. A video showing Karan with a machine gun was uploaded to the internet several days after his death, but his brother added: “That was uploaded after his death. Someone wants to use him.”

Bild reports that he died in an air strike last month, while the Focus newspaper believes he was shot in combat close to the Turkish border. The German ministry of the interior told the German news wire dpa that investigations were still ongoing.

Schalke midfielder Kevin-Prince Boateng, who now plays for Ghana at international level, offered his condolences via Twitter.

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1...nternational-burak-karan-killed-syria?cc=4716

 

[Kaos]

Yes, a German Turk going to Syria in Islamist attire armed with an AK47 was clearly just "defending himself". He certainly looks like he's supervising the distribution of relief supplies in that photo.

 

[Relevated]

Islamist That word makes me laugh so much.

 

[Relevated]

The ISIS is urging all tribes to unite under one banner however some are not too keen on it.

 

[Hellboy]

There already is a state where Jews and Muslims live together. What's your point?

You're talking about Iran surely.

 

[Danny1982]

Looks like Al-Qaeda is now openly training children in Syria, in areas controlled by the rebels...

At first glance, the training camp appears no different from the many others shown in propaganda videos posted by al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria. Hooded recruits in camouflage shoot at targets or march in formation under the black flag of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.

But look closer and the “fighters” appear quite small. The tallest are barely chest-high to their instructors, and the shorter ones wear ill-fitting uniforms and appear to struggle under the weight of their weapons. A photo of the recruits without their hoods confirms that all of them are young boys.

They are “Zarqawi’s Cubs,” the youth brigade of Syria’s most fearsome Islamist rebel group and one of the newest manifestations of al-Qaeda’s deepening roots in rebel-controlled sections of the country. Building on earlier efforts to expand their influence in Syrian schools, radical Islamists appear to be stepping up efforts to indoctrinate and train children, some as young as 10, according to independent experts who have studied the phenomenon.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...b4cca4-628e-11e3-a373-0f9f2d1c2b61_story.html

 

[Raoul]

Basically every side are committing atrocities now - and Assad has resorted to dropping barrell bombs onto civilian areas in Aleppo.

 

[Danny1982]

There is another "revolution" going in Iraq now apparently...

 

[The Mitcher]

Islamist That word makes me laugh so much.

If he was part of the Ba'ath party, doesn't that make him socialist not islamist?

Shit, sorry about the mistake then should read more carefully.

 

[holyland red]

Realising there is fellow Caf member with extra sensitivity for home demolitions I thought this latest report by was worth mentioning on here. Syrian officials claim this is part of a campaign against illegal construction. Gotta laugh at them Zionists and their old-fashioned bulldozing methods.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25947345

 

[Kaos]

It's an appalling practice, regardless of who're the culprits and who are the victims.

At least the Syrians are bulldozing on their own land

 

[Danny1982]

Realising there is fellow Caf member with extra sensitivity for home demolitions I thought this latest report by was worth mentioning on here. Syrian officials claim this is part of a campaign against illegal construction. Gotta laugh at them Zionists and their old-fashioned bulldozing methods.

So what you're saying is that Israel is as good (or as bad) as somebody you (and the West) harshly criticize and want to oust?

I'm more than fine with that, as long as Israel face the same consequences that Assad has to face in your opinion.

 

[holyland red]

So what you're saying is that Israel is as good (or as bad) as somebody you (and the West) harshly criticize and want to oust?

I'm more than fine with that, as long as Israel face the same consequences that Assad has to face in your opinion.

I did not mean to compare the incomparable. Nothing like what appears in these pics ever happened in the WB or GS. I wanted to point at the hypocricy of littering the Israeli-Arab conflict thread with slogans a-la bulldozing homes, when defending a brutal regime that wipes out neighbourhoods and responsible for 10,000s deaths of "it's own". Kaos is well capable of putting his opinion across better than inciting resident idiots with slogans. BTW, the same double standards apply to the silence at a time when Palestinians are dying of hunger in Al-Yarmouk, when not long ago the whole world and you lot on here were kept busy worrying for the "starved" Paelstinians in Gaza.

Despite my earlier clarifications you still think that I (or the Israeli security establishment) want Assad ousted. Well, I (and to the best of my understanding "them" too) prefer the devil we know. None of us fancy ISIS across our Northern border.

 

[Danny1982]

I did not mean to compare the incomparable. Nothing like what appears in these pics ever happened in the WB or GS. I wanted to point at the hypocricy of littering the Israeli-Arab conflict thread with slogans a-la bulldozing homes, when defending a brutal regime that wipes out neighbourhoods and responsible for 10,000s deaths of "it's own". Kaos is well capable of putting his opinion across better than inciting resident idiots with slogans. BTW, the same double standards apply to the silence at a time when Palestinians are dying of hunger in Al-Yarmouk, when not long ago the whole world and you lot on here were kept busy worrying for the "starved" Paelstinians in Gaza.

Despite my earlier clarifications you still think that I (or the Israeli security establishment) want Assad ousted. Well, I (and to the best of my understanding "them" too) prefer the devil we know. None of us fancy ISIS across our Northern border.

This is probably the only part of your post that I agree with, although perhaps not for the same reasons you might think of.

Of course it's not comparable. It would be comparable if you were bulldozing or starving the Israelis.. What you have done to the Palestinians is actually worse than bulldozing their homes. You displaced them from their land and took their home land for yourself to live in it. How is that even comparable to what happening now in Syria?!

And by the way, believe me, if you were put against what Assad is facing now you would commit crimes far worse than the ones Assad committed. This was your reaction against the civilians when two of your soldiers went missing.

Spoiler

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So please let's not talk about hypocrisy here..

And by the way, it's not about believing you, you may well have your own opinion about whom you prefer to see in power, but your government, and thus the US, didn't leave much doubt about what they want.

 

[holyland red]

This is probably the only part of your post that I agree with, although perhaps not for the same reasons you might think of.

Of course it's not comparable. It would be comparable if you were bulldozing or starving the Israelis.. What you have done to the Palestinians is actually worse than bulldozing their homes. You displaced them from their land and took their home land for yourself to live in it. How is that even comparable to what happening now in Syria?!

And by the way, believe me, if you were put against what Assad is facing now you would commit crimes far worse than the ones Assad committed. This was your reaction against the civilians when two of your soldiers went missing.

Spoiler

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So please let's not talk about hypocrisy here..

And by the way, it's not about believing you, you may well have your own opinion about whom you prefer to see in power, but your government, and thus the US, didn't leave much doubt about what they want.

Soldiers "went missing", eh? Were those piles of rubble Hizballah's HQ before? I reckon the next round will be dirtier.

And the "Palestinians" never had any land to be displaced from. Individulas were displaced, to a lesser degree compared to Jewish displacement from Arab states. Thank god most people have moved on from the 1940's.

I loved the bit about Obama taking our orders. Too bad some haven't moved on from the 1940's...

 

[Relevated]

I'll put this here. Any truth to it?

Israeli minister says Tel Aviv is considering replacing al-Aqsa Mosque in al-Quds with a temple.


@holyland red whats your view on this