Joe Hart has kept more clean sheets than DDG. David de who?
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Joe Hart has kept more clean sheets than DDG. David de who?
Origi looks like a player, will be interesting to see how he does next season. Looks like has all the tools a top striker needs.
Joe Allen should really be given a new contract. He's our most composed midfielder by far.
Joe Allen should really be given a new contract. He's our most composed midfielder by far.
Exactly
Indeed. I was surprised there was not more love for Allen after Stoke (and his other recent performances). In Klopps' own words : He was brilliant, there is no other word.
I've never understood criticism when it's come his way - he's always been a clearly talented player.
Yeah I don't remember him having a poor performance in 2016. Whenever he's played he's done well. Seems like he'd be worth keeping as a squad option to come in and out. Is he out of contract in the summer or does he have another year?
What was the GK doing with Moreno's shot?
(apart from trying to move out of the way & then diving over it to make sure)
Reckon Klopp might have showed him these last couple of pages though, had a top top game by all accounts (RAWK)
(apart from trying to move out of the way & then diving over it to make sure)
Reckon Klopp might have showed him these last couple of pages though, had a top top game by all accounts (RAWK)
Think he's got 1 year left.
Following Tuchel's moan about tired players.
The most games played by teams in the top five leagues in Europe so far this season:
55 – Athletic Bilbao (32 La Liga, 15 Europa League, 6 Copa del Rey, 2 Supercopa)
54 – Barcelona (32 La Liga, 9 Champions League, 8 Copa del Rey, 2 Supercopa, 2 FIFA Club World Cup, 1 UEFA Super Cup)
52 – Liverpool (31 Premier League, 11 Europa League, 4 FA Cup, 6 League Cup), Valencia (32 La Liga, 8 Champions League, 4 Europa League, 8 Copa del Rey)
51 – Sevilla (32 La Liga, 6 Champions League, 5 Europa League, 8 Copa del Rey)
50 – Man Utd (32 Premier League, 8 Champions League, 4 Europa League, 4 FA Cup, 2 League Cup), Man City (32 Premier League, 9 Champions League, 3 FA Cup, 6 League Cup), Paris Saint-Germain (33 Ligue Un, 9 Champions League, 4 Coupe de France, 3 Coupe de la Ligue, 1 Trophee des Champions), Saint-Etienne (33 Ligue Un, 12 Europa League, 4 Coupe de France, 1 Coupe de la Ligue)
49 – Bordeaux (33 Ligue Un, 10 Europa League, 3 Coupe de France, 3 Coupe de la Ligue)
48 – Borussia Dortmund (29 Bundesliga, 15 Europa League, 4 DFB-Pokdal), Arsenal (32 Premier League, 8 Champions League, 5 FA Cup, 2 League Cup, 1 Community Shield), Tottenham (33 Premier League, 10 Europa League, 4 FA Cup, 1 League Cup)
The most games played by teams in the top five leagues in Europe so far this season:
55 – Athletic Bilbao (32 La Liga, 15 Europa League, 6 Copa del Rey, 2 Supercopa)
54 – Barcelona (32 La Liga, 9 Champions League, 8 Copa del Rey, 2 Supercopa, 2 FIFA Club World Cup, 1 UEFA Super Cup)
52 – Liverpool (31 Premier League, 11 Europa League, 4 FA Cup, 6 League Cup), Valencia (32 La Liga, 8 Champions League, 4 Europa League, 8 Copa del Rey)
51 – Sevilla (32 La Liga, 6 Champions League, 5 Europa League, 8 Copa del Rey)
50 – Man Utd (32 Premier League, 8 Champions League, 4 Europa League, 4 FA Cup, 2 League Cup), Man City (32 Premier League, 9 Champions League, 3 FA Cup, 6 League Cup), Paris Saint-Germain (33 Ligue Un, 9 Champions League, 4 Coupe de France, 3 Coupe de la Ligue, 1 Trophee des Champions), Saint-Etienne (33 Ligue Un, 12 Europa League, 4 Coupe de France, 1 Coupe de la Ligue)
49 – Bordeaux (33 Ligue Un, 10 Europa League, 3 Coupe de France, 3 Coupe de la Ligue)
48 – Borussia Dortmund (29 Bundesliga, 15 Europa League, 4 DFB-Pokdal), Arsenal (32 Premier League, 8 Champions League, 5 FA Cup, 2 League Cup, 1 Community Shield), Tottenham (33 Premier League, 10 Europa League, 4 FA Cup, 1 League Cup)
Reckon theyll flog Sturridge in the summer
Tired?! Even with their 3 and a half week Winter jolly?
Thought my head was going there, completely missed the 'Valencia' hiding in there
Klopp is doing very good job with them, you can already see his positive impact and approach to matches, hate to see that but can't deny progress they've made.
If Ings can get back to fitness & find some form then I'd be happy having him as a third choice & losing Sturridge. That said, with the new TV deal, perhaps we can and should keep Sturridge on as a bit of a luxury player... Or at least give him time to see if he can refind that extra yard of pace.
Sturridge is still class if he plays. It's not abnormal that he seems a bit rusty from time to time, there are players that need a lot more time to gain some form (Rooney for example).
It'd be criminal to let him go, imo. You mention having Ings as a third striker - after which other players though? I assume you'll have Origi at #2 but I don't think there is a realistic option for us at #1 of Sturridge's quality.
Benteke
We need a first choice striker that's fit more often than not. I'd take a 4/10 or 5/10 striker that's fit 90% of the time over a 6/10 striker that's fit 40% of the time.
Except that Sturridge is, when fit and on form, an 8/10 or 9/10 striker, even against Stoke that was an 8/10 performance. Sell Benteke and bring in someone fast that can hit the target and I'll be happy with those four.Benteke
We need a first choice striker that's fit more often than not. I'd take a 4/10 or 5/10 striker that's fit 90% of the time over a 6/10 striker that's fit 40% of the time.
Who on earth would be happy with a 4/10 or 5/10 striker - I wouldn't care if he was never injured he shouldn't be on Liverpool's payroll. We've got one of those and are still paying for it.
Like Rafateria, I value Sturridge as an 8/10 striker, even more when he's on form. Benteke never showed anything even close to that figure and should be sold this summer.Benteke
We need a first choice striker that's fit more often than not. I'd take a 4/10 or 5/10 striker that's fit 90% of the time over a 6/10 striker that's fit 40% of the time.
The Benteke comment was a joke.
I'm on about goals per game not an arbitrary rating. Sturridge may have a very good conversion rate when he plays, but I'd rather have a striker with a slightly lower conversion & goals per game rate & a much better fitness record as my first choice striker.
I'm on about goals per game not an arbitrary rating. Sturridge may have a very good conversion rate when he plays, but I'd rather have a striker with a slightly lower conversion & goals per game rate & a much better fitness record as my first choice striker.
You've got enough competent, can-do-a-job strikers with ings and origi imo.
I wouldn't bother unless you can get a serioius upgrade and failing that i'd probably hold onto sturrdige.
I wouldn't bother unless you can get a serioius upgrade and failing that i'd probably hold onto sturrdige.
He was terrific against southampton as well.
Should be first pick alongside Can at the moment. He's always been a mixture of weaksauce and unlucky that he picked up injuries whenever he looked like hitting his stride.
He might actually be stepping up a level now.
Exactly. You don't let your best striker go until you've replaced him.
Tommy has always disliked Sturridge though.
I've no problem that Allen starting for the rest of the season, but I do hope we spend heavily on midfielders in the summer. He'd be a great bench player for next season.
Neither Ings or Origi are 1 in 2 strikers (yet). Maybe they will end up that way, who knows...
That last part isn't entirely true. I mean, he's scored one of (if not my) favourite Liverpool goals of the past 10 years (that chip
). He misses more games than he plays & is collecting £150k p/w while doing so, and I just rather we had a striker that, you know, wouldn't call in sick because he has a boo boo on his arm.Kane and Vardy are the only strikers in the league who are,
unless one of them becomes available to you in the summer, (sorry need to lol) then keeping sturridge is better than nothing ... or benteke.
Sturridge is a one in two. His record for Liverpool is remarkable - even this season he's been scoring when playing despite two years injured.
Yeah, i'd agree. He still looks dangerous. He just doesn't play that often.
I'd think of it more as a 20+ goals a seaosn player. We need one, arsenal need one, chelsea depending on how arsed costa is might need one and you need one.
Sturridge's goal scoring record is up there with the best of strikers to play for LFC. He is finally beginning to look sharper and has been fit since the turn of the year. Even though he's looked rusty he's still more or less scoring 1 in 2. It's highly unlikely we could sign a striker of similar proven quality - and we don't need to sell to buy.
Where is the logic in selling him?
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The logic is he's on £150k p/w and missing roughly 50% of all games we play.
That's the part that makes the idea of selling him more appealing. The other side to that is that if we do sell him he could go somewhere, regain his fitness and start scoring goals.
I'm leaning towards keeping him because if we don't, we have to go out and spend a load of money on another striker who may or may not work out. At least we know what we have with Sturridge, and his goalscoring record speaks for itself.
We have to go and spend money on another striker anyway.
If we can afford to bring in a quality striker, winger, midfielder, LB, and keeper, all while keeping Sturridge, then by all means keep him.
If we can afford to bring in a quality striker, winger, midfielder, LB, and keeper, all while keeping Sturridge, then by all means keep him.
Andreas Kornmayer, one of Bayern's fitness coaches, will leave Munich to work for Klopp next season.
That's not a bad idea - Bringing in a friendly face for Gotze in advance.
I actually think we'd be ok going into next season with Sturridge, Ings, Origi and Firmino as our forwards. Klopp prefers one up top anyway.
What if Ings doesn't fully recover & Sturridge gets injured? Firmino isn't an all out striker, and Origi can't be left to do it all on his own.
Gotze as a false 9.
Henderson's injury a blessing? I've never rated him and have even said that Shelvey is and was the better player.
I haven't watched Allen closely but have never been impressed but haven't really seen him recently.
Klopp is doing well with what he has but with that back 5 I don't think they can get top 4 this or next season unless better options are purchased.
I haven't watched Allen closely but have never been impressed but haven't really seen him recently.
Klopp is doing well with what he has but with that back 5 I don't think they can get top 4 this or next season unless better options are purchased.
Someone on MOTD yesterday said your lot are now the top scorers in the league in 2016? Who the hell has been getting your goals? I remember a big score against Southampton but that was in the cup. Would have thought Spurs or Chelsea were scoring more than Liverpool.
It's been more of a team thing than anything else. I doubt any individual has more than 5
Liverpool's league goal breakdown in 2016
Firmino - 7
Milner - 4
Lallana - 3
Origi - 3
Sturridge - 3
Coutinho - 2
Allen - 1
Benteke - 1
Can - 1
Clyne - 1
Moreno - 1
Henderson - 1
Toure - 1
15 goals came against three teams: Aston Villa (6), Norwich City (5) and Stoke City (4).
Firmino - 7
Milner - 4
Lallana - 3
Origi - 3
Sturridge - 3
Coutinho - 2
Allen - 1
Benteke - 1
Can - 1
Clyne - 1
Moreno - 1
Henderson - 1
Toure - 1
15 goals came against three teams: Aston Villa (6), Norwich City (5) and Stoke City (4).