Liverpool benefitting from Referees
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) review both the Everton and Bodø/Glimt victories at Old Trafford. Listen to the guys discuss 2 wins and 7 goals in the last week, analyse of the Amorim formation, focus on Amad and how he is playing, and also take a look at Hojlund, Rashford & Zirkzee – who starts v Arsenal?
Reading that list, they’ve definitely benefited more than they’ve lost from him.
They've been getting decisions for DECADES. I remember being at a Middlesbrough match (that I've just searched and it was 2008) when Mascherano grabbed Aliadiere by the throat, who slapped him in return and got sent off. Nothing for Mascherano obviously. Just seen that instead of the 3 game ban he got a 4 game ban for a "frivolous appeal" after they appealed the decision. Some things never change hey. Sounds like they might end up with some frivolous titles if the current Coote witch-hunt is anything to go by
When we were by far the best team in the league - and Liverpool regularly were 4-5-6 or 7 - they regularly got more penalties than us. But apparently we were the ones who had refs on our side
He literally "got" us against West Ham. If he's been out to get you he's done a spectacularly shite job, and I'm insanely disappointed in him. We have to deal with Michael Oliver randomly costing us entire seasons at this point, when's the reverse going to be true on Liverpool? Never because you're all
Refs are just shite. Just like United have been for a decade. Just like Liverpool were for 30 years.
Go back 15 years to whatever forum Liverpool fans have and I'm sure you'd see the same tinfoil-hat type threads there too.
Swings and roundabouts.
Go back 15 years to whatever forum Liverpool fans have and I'm sure you'd see the same tinfoil-hat type threads there too.
Swings and roundabouts.
They (refs) seem worse than ever these days, from all fans perspectives. VAR doesn't help matters I guess.
That's the entire reason. Earlier, we could cut them some slack that things happen so quickly that they missed a few incidents. But VAR showing how they just want to cover for each other as the first priority, makes it look so much worse.
The calls for us are just the residual effects of Klopp’s antics on the sidelines against the refs. He was so good at it unlike your own gutless mgrs that he got better calls throughout his tenure. He did his job much like SAF did decades ago when united were good. Also the media have been on our side which adds more pressure to give us the benefit of the doubt. Long may it continue.
Or
Refs are just incompetent.
Yep, hence Cootes calling him a…
He might well hate Liverpool, but he seems to have overcompensated for it.
The way Liverpool fans are going on you would think he had never given them a decision but the truth is they get loads, last Saturday David Coote waved away 2 Aston Villa penalties at Anfield.
I was kidding but all that shows is that Coote is an awful referee.
See the Guardian article above. Lists plenty of examples going for and against us. He’s simply a crap referee.
In 21/22 Everton were robbed of a blatant penalty for handball at 1-0 against City (Rodri the culprit, Tierney the referee). Assuming that was given, Everton score and the game finishes 1-1, Liverpool win the league (assuming again that everything else remains the same). Last season we were denied a legitimate goal simply due to miscommunication between officials at Spurs. No handball given against Odegaard in a close game against Arsenal.
It’s swings and roundabouts. Everyone will suffer from poor refereeing over the season, now more than ever. VAR has enhanced this because now every big decision can be second guessed.
But for some, it’s easier to simply blame external influences for why Liverpool are top. If we were 4th or 5th right now, this thread wouldn’t exist.
@Klopper76 you're top because you're the best team in the league at the minute. That's the truth. I don't think anyone in their heart of hearts believes otherwise.
Maybe there's something to be said for "making your own luck" in a sense though - I blame our managers and weakness for not roasting the PGMOL for decisions like the Dalot double booking, would Klopp have ever accepted that without taking -any- fine? Even Ten Hag's sacking - he went out with a whimper instead of ripping Oliver to pieces for that bullshit penalty he made sure West Ham would get. Anyone with any sense knew he was gone after the game, at least he should have gone with some fire.
Maybe there's something to be said for "making your own luck" in a sense though - I blame our managers and weakness for not roasting the PGMOL for decisions like the Dalot double booking, would Klopp have ever accepted that without taking -any- fine? Even Ten Hag's sacking - he went out with a whimper instead of ripping Oliver to pieces for that bullshit penalty he made sure West Ham would get. Anyone with any sense knew he was gone after the game, at least he should have gone with some fire.
The police for sure got Hillsborough wrong as they should've realised that there were too many people for the stand. However, another issue - that isn't spoken about anymore - is that that the FA Cup semi, unlike the league game Utd played at Hillsborough a few week earlier, was a fully ticketed affair with absolutely no option of tickets on the day which was still common for league games.
For me, Hillsborough doesn't happen if:
A) The police do not open the emergency gates due to being understaffed.
B) Fans without tickets do not try to get into a game they do not have tickets for.
A seems to be the only thing that is spoken about today. B not so much. However, both played a factor.
What exactly does this have to do with refs or anything to do with the thread topic.
They've got Michael Oliver on VAR for their game at Soutgampton this weekend, that could be interesting.
Referee: Sam Barrott. Assistants: Lee Betts, Wade Smith. Fourth official: Darren England. VAR: Michael Oliver. Assistant VAR: Mat Wilkes.
Referee: Sam Barrott. Assistants: Lee Betts, Wade Smith. Fourth official: Darren England. VAR: Michael Oliver. Assistant VAR: Mat Wilkes.
Why?
Stewards that are payed to do their job are mostly responsible for not letting ticketless fans into the stadium.If they do their job,those fans are kept out of the stadium.The stewards and police were both incredibly incompetent.
Blatant push in the back right on the edge of the area ignored by the referee (7 mins in versus Southampton). Probably not a penalty but a very clear free kick.
Who needs refs when the opposition gives away the ball twice in their own box.
Well…
Generally a referee has to be fleeing out of his tits to give a decision against Liverpool.
Todays referee will be drug tested.
Todays referee will be drug tested.
Wasn’t on the line but outside. HTH.
Where would you say the contact between Robertson's thigh and the Soton player's knee is?
Ah using a still image to make a point, always a good one.
Where would you say the contact between Robertson's thigh and the Soton player's knee is?
Even if you want to say the contact started outside and continued into the box... that's also a pen.
Wonder what your reaction would be if Liverpool got that decision instead of Soton, or if Ipswich gets that in a minute.
The actual foul imo occurs before he even gets his foot down, so outside. Thought it was clear enough on first replay actually. But I guess if you want to see it given you can make a point for it being a penalty given how close it is.
Anyway; dumb foul, and if we can’t put more than one goal past this awful Soton side we only have ourselves to blame. But given what this thread was created for, my point still stands - if we would actually be helped by the referees they would’ve just overturned the decision.
The contact was on the calf, not the knee.
Where would you say the contact between Robertson's thigh and the Soton player's knee is?
Still, too close to call if you ask me, so var shouldnt intervene.
There will be uproar and a public apology from the refs before normal service is resumed, don’t worry. The Liverpool players have already made a start chipping away at the ref’s ear.
That’s how I fee. So tight that you can’t call it one way or another.
Thoughts on Kelleher clattering into Armstrong and ref not awarding a pen to Southampton?
Well...
You must be joking
In a few years, when United are back to being good, the caf will look back at this thread with shame.
I hope.
I hope.
Introspection is a bit too much to hope for, I'd settle for memory-holing.
It’s without doubt the cringiest thread on this site.
I sincerely hope everyone taking it seriously is under 15, but I fear not.
Yeah it’s not our finest work, is it?
I challenge you to explain why that's not a pen for Southampton?You must be joking