Oh fair enough, from this angle it doesnt seem that bad. Havent seen the other angle mind.
Liverpool benefitting from Referees
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Clearly knows what he's doing. It's a sly cowardly bit of play from VVD.
I think it's the first time I've seen a ref blow for full time when a team has a 2 v 1 in attack.
He blew the whistle when the keeper launched.
Yeah these latest examples are reaching, for me. Let’s not dilute this thread with things that aren’t even that bad.
Yep, Newcastle were still in their own half when he blew the whistle
That VVD one is a stonewall red card, he knew exactly what he was doing so its astonishing that VAR didnt even recommend an on-field review
It’s astonishing that you think that’s a red.
Its one of the most stonewall reds ive seen all season, VVD delibately shoulders him in the face with is violent conduct and a straight red
No it isn't.
I would also add that the referee was generally terrible for both teams yesterday. Booked Mac Allister for nothing and he now misses the Everton game. Didn't book Joelinton for a yellow card offence, and fell for Gordon diving numerous times. Could've had a penalty for handball at the end too (harsh imo if given).
On the flip side, we should've conceded a penalty for a foul, and at the start of the second half he started giving us everything. Just a poor all round refereeing performance.
I don’t think it’s a red. But it is 100% a deliberate attempt to body him. With the ball nowhere near him at the time, inside the penalty box. Which is a penalty.
I don't think I've ever seen a penalty given for something like that, and defenders do it fairly often.
If its delibrate its a red, thats the rules
Yep, it's not a red card offense, it should be a yellow card. And since it is in the box, it is a stonewall penalty. VAR can't intervene with yellow cards, but it certainly must intervene with penalties. I didn't see the game, did VAR check it? Anyway whether they did or not it is a shocking non-decision.
That's a stonewall red card? Now I've heard it all. Would be harsh to give a penalty, let alone a red card.
So you think it’s perfectly acceptable to just run up to a guy nowhere near the ball and shoulder barge him in the head for absolutely no reason? If he had kicked him in the shin you would’ve all agreed that he’s made physical contact and kicked out at the opponent for no reason, but since it’s the head it’s supposedly preposterous.
I mean you can put it under any of “attempting to injure an opponent”, “using excessive force” or “violent conduct”, they’re all red cards.
Another instance of the PGMOL not understanding that concussions and brain injuries are very dangerous, because with a shoulder to the temple like that it can easily result in a concussion.
But I suppose we should be lucky he didn’t pull his hair because that’s where you can really hurt someone.
Next time van Dijk does that and the guy gets a concussion everyone’s gonna be like “we never saw it coming”, and it’s not like van Dijk doesn’t have form for doing sly stuff like that time he got away with kicking out at a guy like three times in two seconds.
Don’t be ridiculous - it’s a deliberate act, simple as that.
In a sport where lightly pushing your forehead against someone else’s forehead or lightly touching someone’s face with your hand is a red card for violent conduct, people think that deliberately blind-siding someone and hitting them in the head with their shoulder is barely a foul. You tell me how that makes sense.
Should have been his second red card of the season after his kicking out at Havertz which was even more blatant.
Gets away with it cos he's big Virgil and has never been dribbled past and Pickford kicked him years ago.
Gets away with it cos he's big Virgil and has never been dribbled past and Pickford kicked him years ago.
You get banned in NRL for that kind of offence, VVD is an arrogant wanker up there with Bernardos of the league.
As long as he keeps getting away with it he’ll keep doing it until he gets pulled up or he causes a serious injury to someone.
It's unnecessary but let's not go overboard it was never a red or a penalty.
This thread is embarrassing.
Everyone knows the refs constantly help Liverpool, making a thread about it is unnecessary.
Everyone knows the refs constantly help Liverpool, making a thread about it is unnecessary.
Why was it unnecessary if you don't think it was a foul?
It was one of the clearest reds you'll ever see
It is ludicrous. He was nowhere near the ball, Gordon didn't have much of an idea he was there and he slammed his shoulder into his head. At no point did he stumble or Gordon moved towards him. So, it is clearly a deliberate act.
Then it comes to level of violent conduct. In this round we saw someone sent off for tugging on someone's hair and we have seen multiple sending offs for pushes/kick outs. I know which one I would rather not be on the end of.
However what do we hear. Nothing to see, shoulder to the face isn't violent, asking for a pen/ red for a deliberate violent act is reaching. Dipper logic in a nutshell.
He could've been killed tbh.
Newcastle need to get some t shirts printed, hold a public wake and get the candles lit for the vigil.
My take on it too. A clear red.
Kind of reminds me of this.
This wasn't a foul by the way
Kind of reminds me of this.
This wasn't a foul by the way
Martinez was in possession of the ball there. Clearly a foul btw. VVD was a completely off the ball incident. Probably a yellow card.
Nah, Blind was in posession, but Dessers would've at least challenged for the ball without Martinez. I remember this rather well, as it's Ajax Feyenoord and it was a bit of a turning point in the game.
I'd give Van Dijk a yellow for this mind you. It looks rather underhanded. This Martinez thing is a clear red if you ask me. He just extremely deliberately tries to UFC style knock him out or whatever the feck he was going for here.
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He didn't need to step into him did he?
Here goes, my two pence worth for what it's worth,
VVD on Gordon, no movement of an arm or anything else towards the player, coming together, most players will feel a coming together with a lad the size of VVD. No one from Newcastle side made a thing of this.
Penalty shout for Isak, could have gone either way, be very soft and don't think it was but have seen them given.
Counter at the end, time was up, Ref is blowing while the keeper clears it which is a very normal ref thing to do, you can see a lot of the pool players stop, with the noise of the crowd not everyone hears the whistle and continue. The 2 on 1 narrative is nonsense.
Exciting game, fair result.
VVD on Gordon, no movement of an arm or anything else towards the player, coming together, most players will feel a coming together with a lad the size of VVD. No one from Newcastle side made a thing of this.
Penalty shout for Isak, could have gone either way, be very soft and don't think it was but have seen them given.
Counter at the end, time was up, Ref is blowing while the keeper clears it which is a very normal ref thing to do, you can see a lot of the pool players stop, with the noise of the crowd not everyone hears the whistle and continue. The 2 on 1 narrative is nonsense.
Exciting game, fair result.
Kind of reminds me of this.
This wasn't a foul by the way
Well yeah, apart from:
1) the ball is fairly close by
2) he doesn't ram his shoulder into his head
3) the opposition player can see him step across
feck me. That was as clear cut a penalty as you can get. He got none of the ball and all of the player. How on earth would it have been soft?
I think the interesting thing is he didnt blow right on the mark, but waited until the liverpool attack finished // came to nothing. If he had blown dead on the minute, fine. But it does come off as weird he waited a few seconds for the attack to die.
Amazon prime have apologised to the Liverpool manager after saying he went into the referees dressing room to talk to the referee at half-time.
When in fact he talked to him in the tunnel.
Not seeing a big difference between those two situations.
When in fact he talked to him in the tunnel.
Not seeing a big difference between those two situations.
If you don't think it was a foul then why not?
He doesnt ram his shoulder into his head? Are you perhaps looking at Blind? I mean the angry short guy smashing his shoulder into the face with a Looney Tunes style wind-up. He does sort of see him coming, but this is at least 17 red cards if we're claiming the VVD one is a red.
I do appreciate the fact that I'm of course heavily biast against Ajax and if Dessers had done it to Martinez it would've been play-on in my book. Might be the same here
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