Looks like they won’t miss a beat without KDB. Maybe when they play Chelsea or us we’ll find out. Other than that, they will probably splash the cash in the winter and only get stronger. From top to bottom I don’t think there has ever been a squad as talented as them. Maybe Arsenal around 2000
Liverpool 2018/19
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They dispatch the bottom 3/4s of the league with ridiculous ease, making them look like pub teams in the process.
Thoughts on this ?
In my opinion
De Gea, Pogba, Matic, Smalling (instead of Gomez) and Valencia maybe instead of Trent.
De Gea Pogba and Martial would on sheer ability make it. But I wouldn't really want to swap anyone out. Klopp seems to pick players perfect for his system which is the best thing.
Again might want to give it a season before doing these sorts of things.
When I did my combined Liverpool/United XI, it came out something like this.
DDG
TAA/Valencia VVD Baily Robertson
Matic
Keita Pogba
Salah Firmino Mane
There's a case to be made for Lukaku, Sanchez, & Martial as being better individual players than at least 2 of our front 3, but they just work so well together that, if offered the choice, I'd opt against splitting them up.
I think Saunders was trying (but failing) to make a wider point about two teams heading in opposite directions.
I think he unfortunately used an absolutely terrible example to try and prove it.
Although I don’t think it’s his fault, he doesn’t seem to me to be the brightest.
Imagine Lukaku’s hold up and distribution with those two running off though. Frightening.
Martial over Salah and Mane?
De Gea - i would take him over Allison but Allisons a better keeper for the way we want to play
Pogba - ability wise yes but i wouldnt want him and his agent anywhere near liverpool
Matic - his a fabulous player but his too slow and doesnt have the passing ability to play in the middle for us
Smalling - thats a possibility
Valencia - we would have to be crazy to swap one of our own for a 33 year old.
( i would very happily take Martial. His being watsed playing under your boss. he would be a massive hit in a Kopp/Pep
Martial? Instead of Mane or Salah?
I'd say De Gea, Smalling/Bailly, Valencia, Matic and Pogba would make it. Lukaku and Sanchez are both brilliant individually, but I'd be hard pressed to break up our front three.
I was thinking more a 4-2-3-1 Salah Mane Martial Firmino.Martial over Salah and Mane?
System wise a lot of those players wouldn't fit.
Hardly surprising from an ex Liverpool player. Every season they think they have the world's best of everything, until they lose away to West Brom or Hull.
It all comes down to how the manager has them playing, every one of them at their prime right now. Which United players would get in the Liverpool squad playing at their best?
De Gea > Allison
Bailly / Lindelof / Smalling > any of VVDs partners
Matic / Herrera > Henderson
Pogba > any of their players
Lukaku > Firmino
Sanchez > Mane
Other than their front 3 and VVD they still have a lot of gaps. Keita and Allison are only 2 games in, although obviously they're already world class.
Yeah, I realize that. If it was a neutral manager, I'm sure the players I mentioned would get the nod.
If it was me, I'd do this
-------------------De Gea--------------------
Valencia----Van Dijk---Bailly-----Robertson
--------------------Matic---------------------
------------Keita---------Pogba-------------
Salah------------Firmino--------------Mane
Although a strong case could be made for Lukaku. What strikes me the most is that even with a combined Liverpool/United starting XI I'm still not sure if it would be better than City.
So six out of your starters are better than our equivalent yet you're still playing shite. Must be manager then, eh?
You see, it’s all too simplistic to look at it the way some have, without taking into account the type of football and tactics. For example, De Gea is an utterly incredible goalkeeper. He was worth a number of league places by himself. Any team, including Liverpool would be blessed to have him. Would I pick him ahead of Alisson in a world XI... yes. Would I pick him ahead of Alisson for Klopp’s Liverpool... no. Alisson is crazy-good with his feet (without even judging his time at Liverpool), and suits what he’s trying to do. In honesty, there’s very few players I’d want from United to go into a Liverpool team. I certainly wouldn’t want Lukaku, Valencia, Bailly, and the idea of Smalling... oy vey.
Now, if you’re fitting players into a Mourinho team, essentially going the other way, there’s loads of our players I wouldn’t pick ahead of Lukaku, Smalling, et al. It’s not just about who the best players are it’s about who the right players are. As for the criminal underrating of Milner... the less said the better.
Now, if you’re fitting players into a Mourinho team, essentially going the other way, there’s loads of our players I wouldn’t pick ahead of Lukaku, Smalling, et al. It’s not just about who the best players are it’s about who the right players are. As for the criminal underrating of Milner... the less said the better.
So six out of your starters are better than our equivalent yet you're still playing shite. Must be manager then, eh?
Well, yes. There's something wrong with our club but it's not the players. All but Fred finished above you last season and we didn't exactly play well then either.
Not saying Klopp is the answer but if we had (for example) Ferguson still in charge this wouldnt even be a question. We have some fantastic individuals in our team.
So six out of your starters are better than our equivalent yet you're still playing shite. Must be manager then, eh?
Well ManUtd finished 2nd and ahead of Liverpool last season
You'd think combined we'd match them on the bench at least, but on the first game of the season, weren't Aguero, Silva, and Jesus all on the bench?
Dean Saunders is a pillock anyway, when he's on co-commentary you know during the 90 minutes you'll be compelled to routinely interrupt the game you're watching to go "WHAT??"
This was exactly the reaction I had on my own in the car...
Only with more expletives
Sanchez would tear it up in Liverpool's system
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Think so much of it comes down to the style of play. I don't think many United players would work under Klopp's style of play, and vice versa.
De Gea is the best in the league, and until Allison has proven otherwise, has to be considered a better individual player. Having said that, Allison's distribution and footballing ability is better than DDG. GK Distribution and footballing ability isn't particularly important to MU style of play, but hugely important for Liverpool.
Pogba is super talented, but his lack of intensity and dynamism in midfield makes me wonder whether he'd suit Klopp's style. Not saying he's not a good player. Just don't think he would be the right sort of player in a Klopp team.
Of the United players who might thrive under Klopp, I think Martial, Rashford, Sanchez and possibly Lukaku. Maybe Lingard too?
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Think so much of it comes down to the style of play. I don't think many United players would work under Klopp's style of play, and vice versa.
De Gea is the best in the league, and until Allison has proven otherwise, has to be considered a better individual player. Having said that, Allison's distribution and footballing ability is better than DDG. GK Distribution and footballing ability isn't particularly important to MU style of play, but hugely important for Liverpool.
Pogba is super talented, but his lack of intensity and dynamism in midfield makes me wonder whether he'd suit Klopp's style. Not saying he's not a good player. Just don't think he would be the right sort of player in a Klopp team.
Of the United players who might thrive under Klopp, I think Martial, Rashford, Sanchez and possibly Lukaku. Maybe Lingard too?
I agree its definitely more down to the system also.
All though it could be argued De Gea isn't the greatest with his feet so maybe Allison is more suited for Pool's play.
Also Mane > Sanchez by a considerable distance IMO. Unless were judging Sanchez off performances from a few years back which I'm not.
Great post - completely agree. Milner's been a revelation. He's better than I ever remember him being when he was in his so called prime.
''I'll destroy this silly thing what Dean Saunders said by suggesting Alexis Sanchez'' -
Sanchez is only 29 so I'm assuming those performances are still in there somewhere, in which case he's much better than Mane. Just depends if we can ever play to suit him.
Anyway, I am now 3/4 of the way through the City video & disregarding how I might have possibly been brainwashed by the considerable propaganda content I am delighted to report that as far as the League is concerned, you've absolutely fecking no chance of overhauling them barring them getting say half-season injuries to Aguero (definitely) & 2-3 of Silva, Sterling, de Bruyne, Fernandinho say. fecking no chance.
I keep reading people saying this, on here and on Twiter. Even our fans say it.
There's no proof of it. Pep wouldn't accept Martial's lazy, sulking attitude when things aren't going his way. Look at Aguero, he had to knuckle down and change his game. I'm not sticking up for Jose, if anything, I'm extremely disgruntled when it comes to our manager these days and would prefer to see a young, attack minded manager come in eventually.
But let's not make stuff up about Martial. He's had a handful of good performances in his time here. The overrating of Martial by our fans, and even opposition fans, is most strange.
Exactly this. For Liverpools tactics none of the United players would be picked.
For a best 11 neutral tactic De Gea and some others would obviously fit.
Boom bust cycle peaked early this season.
Aguero loves Pep, he looks at him like a kid looking at the supposedly mythical, but has just arrived, Father Christmas on Christmas morning.
Which gets them the best actual striker in the League by a distance, innit?
Which gets them the best actual striker in the League by a distance, innit?
I hate Liverpool with a living breathing passion. My half brother is a Liverpool fan. His dad was too. As my dad was a Manchester United fan.
But growing up with a sibling supporting your arch rivals, you learn that these things come in cycles and sometimes you just have to give credit where credit due. He hates United but recognises the brilliance of Ferguson, has read his autobiography etc., because he’s an exceptional leader.
The crux of my point is that, this is a brilliant Liverpool team and you have to say that Klopp is a wonderful manager. He’d have been a great appointment for United. Can still hate them, but also recognise that their recruitment, entertainment and progression is just excellent right now. They will be aggressively competing in the PL and CL again this season. And it makes me jealous. Klopp inherited a worse squad than Mourinho, has a lower net spend, and the football is in another stratosphere.
But growing up with a sibling supporting your arch rivals, you learn that these things come in cycles and sometimes you just have to give credit where credit due. He hates United but recognises the brilliance of Ferguson, has read his autobiography etc., because he’s an exceptional leader.
The crux of my point is that, this is a brilliant Liverpool team and you have to say that Klopp is a wonderful manager. He’d have been a great appointment for United. Can still hate them, but also recognise that their recruitment, entertainment and progression is just excellent right now. They will be aggressively competing in the PL and CL again this season. And it makes me jealous. Klopp inherited a worse squad than Mourinho, has a lower net spend, and the football is in another stratosphere.
''We won't pick the Best Actual GK by a fecking mile because he doesn't fit our tactics'' -
Non-story, ex-Liverpool player says no united player gets in their team.
Could say on the other hand that only Robertson, VVD, Salah (Mane if you prefer him to Martial) definitely get in our team.
Could say on the other hand that only Robertson, VVD, Salah (Mane if you prefer him to Martial) definitely get in our team.
Put Lukaku instead of Firmino and that's my joined team as well.
Absolute #bantz when Liverpool finish 3rd in their CL group and finish 6th in the league.
Absolutely do not think this is going to happen.
Absolutely do not think this is going to happen.
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