Liverpool 2018/19

By how many points will Liverpool win the title this season?

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So this luck chat. Now that Utd have stopped winning the league are we saying luck doesn't even itself out over 38 games? Because that's all I used to hear on Redcafe since I've been here (2002).

Well, I'm on record dismissing this view (see the "Ole xG" thread) - for reasons unrelated to Liverpool. United fans used to say such things for the same reasons that Liverpool fans now seem happy to repeat them - namely, to feel better. Every fan would like to believe that the good results of his/her team are down only to its class and have little to do with luck. The thread mentioned above is a good testament to this: many were questioniong the xG models because they suggested that our fantastic run under Ole was unsustainable.
 
I just can't see Utd beating City with the run of their fixtures upto that game. Barcalona (a) Everton (a) City (h). These 3 fixtures in 7 days. It's not like we can rotate our 'incredible' squad. Where as City can make 5 or 6 changes without effecting their first 11. And if we go out of the CL by then, Pogba and Degea heads will be in Spain (which they probably are now anyway).

Everyone keeps analysing how tough City's fixtures are, but no one is analysing their opponents fixtures.
 
I think Chelsea at home is being underestimated by most people including a lot of Liverpool fans. Chelsea haven't been great this half of the season but they're still dangerous and always show up at Anfield. They're the only side to beat us at Anfield this season as well, granted it was a league cup match but it's still something they'll look at and take as a confidence booster.
I think it'll be a draw and with City no doubt beating Palace, that'll put them top on goal difference with a game in hand and effectively ending our title chances. I really really hope I'm wrong though!

If Liverpool pulls at least a draw against Chelsea, then I predict they will win the title. I see City drawing at Old Trafford and Spurs while Liverpool will win the rest of their games.
 
I think there's a very good chance City will win all of their remaining league games and render whatever Liverpool do moot to be honest.
 
I think there's a very good chance City will win all of their remaining league games and render whatever Liverpool do moot to be honest.

I think the same. The only game I see them dropping points is against Utd. I have City finishing on 96 points and Liverpool finishing on 95 points.
 
I think the same. The only game I see them dropping points is against Utd. I have City finishing on 96 points and Liverpool finishing on 95 points.

I hope you're right but I think crystal palace away is a banana skin too,.not to mention the spurs game
 
I hope you're right but I think crystal palace away is a banana skin too,.not to mention the spurs game

I don't see it. City are in the same form they were last season that saw them pull away. They have hit form at the right time. Since that Newcastle loss they have won 13 in a row. I think some people forgot that Liverpool let go of a 7 point lead, they are in such a mental state that every game has huge pressure to it.

City's general play has been steadily improving, while Liverpool are just sort of there and grinding wins. I saw Spurs play well enough to get a draw at Anfield, a Liverpool on song would have battered them, not rely on a goalkeeping howler in the 90th minute.
 
I'm hopeful we will go to Anfield and setup like we did against City in the league cup final.

Won't be holding my breath though, it seems clear there is a push to make sure Liverpool win the title, it's seen as marketing pull for the league?
 
I think the bolded is disconnect between the perception fans have of obtaining world class players and reality. There is a tendency to think world class players are obvious and simply buying them ensures success. Look at Liverpool's front three. It's safe to say nobody thought they would be world class players when they were bought, but with the right system/coach and complimentary players around them look at them now. Liverpool sold their only world class midfielder (Coutinho) and yet they are still challenging without any world class center mids. Look at Spurs, Harry Kane and Alli came through the youth system, Vertonghen and Alderweireld were very good business, and Eriksen cost less than the likes of Lamela, Solado, and Paulinho. On the flipside, so-called world class players who went for big money like Alexis Sanchez and Coutinho aren't guaranteed to stay at that level in a new team.

That why I said if those teams I mentioned spend money wisely. World class players aren't some known quality and with teams like City and PSG even the bigger clubs have to be shrewder in the transfer market. United fans should understand that now.

In my opinion, a lot of this comes down to buy players that fit a system rather than buying players based on name or potential. For instance, I don't think Wan Bissaka is a good buy for United. Not b/c he isn't good, but mainly b/c United would be better suited playing more attacking fullbacks (I think Dalot can be that player) to take the pressue off the midfield to create chances (this is my opinion and of course I could be wrong). To me, that is main difference between City and Liverpool. It's obvious over the last few years they have bought for need, and when then don't get the player they want, they don't make panic buys for ill fitting players, they try work with what they have.

Your assessment is correct if United are only targeting, known world class players, but that is an expensive and, IMO, futile proposition. Recruitment has to be about fit, current skill level and potential (if they are young). Simply buying players the public considers world class might sell shirts but it doesn't ensure success on the pitch.
I think the first paragraph touches on a point repeatedly missed by many. There's no fixed fee for a player of a certain quality or performance level because players can improve/regress at their next club or even at their current club over the passage of time/different coaching or environment.

The list of players who are brilliant today who people didn't really expect at some point in time in the past is extremely long. That's what something need to start excelling at if we want to achieve success.
 
I think there's a very good chance City will win all of their remaining league games and render whatever Liverpool do moot to be honest.
There is. But they could also drop points against us, Spurs and Palace, as Livepool could against Chelsea. Both teams are capable of winning all remaining games but City do have more potential bananaskins IMO.
 
Well, I'm on record dismissing this view (see the "Ole xG" thread) - for reasons unrelated to Liverpool. United fans used to say such things for the same reasons that Liverpool fans now seem happy to repeat them - namely, to feel better. Every fan would like to believe that the good results of his/her team are down only to its class and have little to do with luck. The thread mentioned above is a good testament to this: many were questioniong the xG models because they suggested that our fantastic run under Ole was unsustainable.

Fair enough I will check the thread out, sounds interesting.
 
There is. But they could also drop points against us, Spurs and Palace, as Livepool could against Chelsea. Both teams are capable of winning all remaining games but City do have more potential bananaskins IMO.

I agree. Maybe it's 55/45 Liverpool now. What could help City is that both Spurs and United are in the CL and won't be fresher for the league games and also that both Palace and Burnley are practically safe and don't need to get results to avoid relegation. Another thing are signs of KDB regaining some form. Still, all these things might not be enough. Maybe Liverpool are favourites now albeit not quite firm.
 
Translation: the kits only fit people who are ten-foot-tall.
 
Meh, really like NB as our kit sponsor. It's all about the money I guess.
 
Meh, really like NB as our kit sponsor. It's all about the money I guess.
Me too. I like the uniqueness of our current kit. With Nike, it's exactly the same design for all their club shirts just with different colours
 
Me too. I like the uniqueness of our current kit. With Nike, it's exactly the same design for all their club shirts just with different colours
Agreed. I hate when they just use the same template for all their teams.
 
I for one would love nike as our sponsor. Hopefully in terms of success it will be like when United wore nike and we wore adidas. That would be fantastic.
 
I just can't see Utd beating City with the run of their fixtures upto that game. Barcalona (a) Everton (a) City (h). These 3 fixtures in 7 days. It's not like we can rotate our 'incredible' squad. Where as City can make 5 or 6 changes without effecting their first 11. And if we go out of the CL by then, Pogba and Degea heads will be in Spain (which they probably are now anyway).

Everyone keeps analysing how tough City's fixtures are, but no one is analysing their opponents fixtures.

I think the way City play is more tactical and less about making a lot of runs. I guess they could mix up the midfield and guys that Sterling who runs a lot could be rested, but not much need for others to be rested or rotated.
 
Cardiff A - easy win
Huddersfield H - 5-0 win at least
Newcastle A - Rafa to give them the win
Wolves H - the only tough game yet, and it probably won't even matter if City feck up

Sigh :(
 
Good chance for Liverpool to really close up the GD with their next two fixtures. Can certainly stick 5-6 past Huddersfield if they really want to.
 
United need to put the under 18s out against City citing the need to rest players for next season.
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Someone to do a Gerrard against City?
 
Good chance for Liverpool to really close up the GD with their next two fixtures. Can certainly stick 5-6 past Huddersfield if they really want to.
Assuming City draw 1 to put them level again and win their remaining games by 1 goal, they'll have a GD of +68. Liverpool will need increase their GD by 12 to overtake them. Essentially they would have to win every game by 4 goals, which will be tough. Unless they spank Huddersfield 9-0 or something :lol:
 
Assuming City draw 1 to put them level again and win their remaining games by 1 goal, they'll have a GD of +68. Liverpool will need increase their GD by 12 to overtake them. Essentially they would have to win every game by 4 goals, which will be tough. Unless they spank Huddersfield 9-0 or something :lol:
City will be 1 point in front if they win their game in hand, it's highly unlikely this will go down to GD.
 
Spurs H
United A
Burnley A
Leicester H
Brighton A

So much tougher. But if anyone can win em all, it's City.
Liverpool also play Wolves away on the last day. If City can take it to the last day even if they drop a few points, there is a chance.
 
City will be 1 point in front if they win their game in hand, it's highly unlikely this will go down to GD.
And if they draw one game they'll be level again. It's possible, especially against Spurs.

Edit: never mind. I can't do maths apparently.
 
Liverpool also play Wolves away on the last day. If City can take it to the last day even if they drop a few points, there is a chance.

It's Wolves at home. Anfield last day of the season against a team with probably nothing left to play for sounds like the perfect time to play Wolves.
 
And if they draw one game they'll be level again. It's possible, especially against Spurs.

Edit: never mind. I can't do maths apparently.
:nono: If City draw the game in hand, they stay 1 points behind Liverpool.

The only way they finish level involves City losing a game and Liverpool drawing one, highly unlikely.
 
:nono: If City draw the game in hand, they stay 1 points behind Liverpool.

The only way they finish level involves City losing a game and Liverpool drawing one, highly unlikely.
Yeah silly me thought City were 1 behind!
 
They still have to hope City drop points. Cardiff desperately need points but it shouldn't be too difficult for Liverpool.
 
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