City will win their next 6 and win the league. Job done. Stop drama queening.
Liverpool 2018/19
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This is true. At the end of last season, we were being told that we would struggle to make top 4 this year as we only just scraped into when Salah as having the season of his life. It's still in City's hands and I expect them to win it but for people to say that we won't be close again next year is more hope than judgment. We may end up 30points off the title next season but everything so far is pointing to another good seasonCongratulations to Liverpool. Had to happen some time. At least it stops City from winning the quadruple.
Also disagree with people saying Liverpool will be weaker next season. They only need to strengthen in one area this summer - midfield. And unlike last season, they haven't even relied on a 'once in a career' season from Salah. Their keeper has been very good, but still made feck ups, so he could actually improve next year. 3 of their defenders are young so should improve, though that is the one area it's possible may see some drop in performance.
IF they keep all their best players, buy 2 midfielders and a forward to replace Sturridge, they are basically guaranteed another title challenge.
They are quite good, and they could improve. But without literally everything going in their favour once again, they won't have enough to match this City side.
What worries me is they are having that “champions” luck or how we say in Portugal “ a estrelinha “ basically meaning they have that good luck going for them this season which makes champions.
Imagine getting all these last minute winners and own goals and getting all these points because of it and then losing the title feck me it’s hard to imagine.
I hope I am so so wrong here but ... if they beat Chelsea then I think they got it because their run in after Chelsea is very easy and all the pressure will be on city. Liverpool’s confidence is coming back with these last minute goals.
Also I can’t see City leaving old trafford and Spurs with 6 points in hand. I hope I’m wrong.
Imagine getting all these last minute winners and own goals and getting all these points because of it and then losing the title feck me it’s hard to imagine.
I hope I am so so wrong here but ... if they beat Chelsea then I think they got it because their run in after Chelsea is very easy and all the pressure will be on city. Liverpool’s confidence is coming back with these last minute goals.
Also I can’t see City leaving old trafford and Spurs with 6 points in hand. I hope I’m wrong.
I can imagine it and it makes me feel all warm inside
I despise the way City just bruteforced the PL by spending and cheating but i'd still rather see them win it than Liverpool...Will City keep repeating this level though? What they have done for 2 years has been incredible tbh, I can't see it lasting forever.
Will chelsea return the gerrard-drogba gift goal that helped chelsea win the league by letting Liverpool have a win next week?
Love this!
I doubt it, they'd love nothing more than to kill off our title chances
This thread goes to show that no group of supporters can handle their rivals being on top. The tone in here is just like RAWK used to be when United was in its pomp — paranoid, latching on to any crazy thing to discredit them (Sturridge’s goal against us was lucky somehow?), sure that the downfall is always just around the corner. I rather enjoy tribalism in football, but it is funny to watch.
It's already luck in itself to not have lost a game in which you were the better team. Normally, any team loses games in which it dominates. That's the nature of football. Your rival for the title haven't been 2nd best in any game this season but have already lost 4 games. And if you deny that your league campaign was boosted by goalkeeping holwers in the concluding parts of games, referee decisions and injuries to oppositon players, well, don't expect much sympathy. I'm sure everybody at rawk is happy to think that you haven't been particularly lucky or that you've earned your luck. Too early to argue about next season now. But even if you perform better, you are unlikely to earn so many points.
Fortunately, Liverpool isn't on top of anything.
The League Cup is the only trophy they have won in 12 years. It's been 30 years since they last won the league.
I think they are 21 ffffing points on top of us at the moment.
Exactly my point. I can see us thrashing porto 4-0 on the midweek and people still posting "aah jammy tards they're soo lucky ffs" stuff here, it's becoming a habit imo.
Was Klopp having a go at another kid just after H/T?
That makes it 2 boys 1 Klopp, now.
That makes it 2 boys 1 Klopp, now.
Seeing them in this position only reinforces the fact that we need to get our act together. I was 8 when they last won the league and have enjoyed many a laugh at their expense since then.
Even if they feck up from here and don’t win the damn thing, they’re in a great moment overall. We can’t let them get too comfortable into thinking they’ll continue to challenge for the next few years.
I hope we back Ole to some serious business this summer to re-establish the natural balance of things and they can scurry back into their caves.
Even if they feck up from here and don’t win the damn thing, they’re in a great moment overall. We can’t let them get too comfortable into thinking they’ll continue to challenge for the next few years.
I hope we back Ole to some serious business this summer to re-establish the natural balance of things and they can scurry back into their caves.
oh please hahaha
They’re not as exciting this year which is probably expected since teams learn and adapt to other teams. It’s somewhat like our 07/08 team which isn’t as exciting as the 06/07 team but gaps were filled on that team like Liverpool have done and a bit more conservatism was employed in their style of play.
They’ve done their scouting homework really well too. Andy Robertson has been a relevation for them so far and they bought him for pennies from a relegated Hull side. VVD was VERY expensive but has been worth it though, through all the alleged tapping up shenanigans and whatnot.
Fecking Woodward and his Disneyland pitch. Klopp was my manager front runner after the Moyes season and was disappointed that he didn’t come here and therefore stayed at Dortmund.
They’ve done their scouting homework really well too. Andy Robertson has been a relevation for them so far and they bought him for pennies from a relegated Hull side. VVD was VERY expensive but has been worth it though, through all the alleged tapping up shenanigans and whatnot.
Fecking Woodward and his Disneyland pitch. Klopp was my manager front runner after the Moyes season and was disappointed that he didn’t come here and therefore stayed at Dortmund.
I think united will either beat or draw with city which will be enough for Liverpool to win the league. I just can’t see Liverpool dropping points from here with their run-in. FML
Chelsea at home and at a push Newcastle away are the only two games in which they could drop points and both are unlikely or very unlikely to happen.
I think Chelsea at home is being underestimated by most people including a lot of Liverpool fans. Chelsea haven't been great this half of the season but they're still dangerous and always show up at Anfield. They're the only side to beat us at Anfield this season as well, granted it was a league cup match but it's still something they'll look at and take as a confidence booster.
I think it'll be a draw and with City no doubt beating Palace, that'll put them top on goal difference with a game in hand and effectively ending our title chances. I really really hope I'm wrong though!
We haven't beaten Chelsea at Anfield in the premier league since 2012. This Chelsea team are a bit more open than Mourinho's or Conte's so hopefully we can do it this time. But you're right about lots of fans and pundits thinking we should beat them easily - a bit over confident for my liking. The pressure will be huge if City beat Palace. I hope we can step up and keep the race going - force City to have to beat both Spurs and Utd.
Lost 4 games & will still comfortably get over the 90 points mark, whereas we've dropped points with more draws than City. It's all swings & roundabouts. Nobody's arguing that City haven't been the better team. I'm simply stating that based on probabilities, we're the side that's most likely to challenge Man City again next season. We may not be as lucky, but City may also find it just as difficult to accumulate another massive points total for 3 years in a row.
I think you will beat Chelsea but it will definitely be close. Anything but a win will be bad because City probably won’t drop points in more than 1 game (be it at United or Palace).
It’s a Guardiola team, they will get over 90 comfortably again as they’ve been built to dominate weaker teams which there are way too many of in Premier League these days. The quality drops massively behind top 6 and then gets completely dreadful below 11th or 12th place.
I'm surprised no one has factored in that Chelsea play away on Thursday in the Europa league, as in Liverpool play at home on Tuesday in the CL before the clash on Sunday. This surely gives Liverpool a huge advantage.
Thats true and might make the difference the longer the game goes on. It's not like Chelsea will rest players for their EL tie as it could prove their only way into the CL next season.
I'm just very wary after 2014, although the difference is then it was in our hands. City need to drop points earlier in the day at Palace for it to be in our hands when we kick off against Chelsea.
Think you're more likely to challenge for the title next season if you win it this season. But it's a bit academic to argue about that now.
Generally, you've got a team that woulld have won the title in many PL seasons even without being lucky in certain situations. The quality to win, say, 87-88 pts is there. Where luck has played some role is helping you go close to 95-97 pts which you will do, imo. According to xG, you have overachieved with 9 pts so far vs 2 pts for City. This confirms what many neutrals think - you are a bit lucky to be neck and neck with them. This does not mean that you wouldn't be worthy champions. You have an excellent team that played a CL final last season and might go to another CL final this season.
Newcastle need the points,imagine if Benitez beat and defied them the league.
Nah, by the 5th of may Newcastle is 100% safe. I reckon the Cardiff and Wolves games are gonna be Liverpool’s toughest. Don’t see Chelsea getting anything from Anfield.
I don't think there are weaker teams, it's just that the top 6 all have gotten stronger (either by buying better players or hiring better managers). I don't think teams like Palace and Newcastle would be fighting relegation in some of the other leagues. Next season, if Chelsea spends the incoming Hazard money wisely, United makes good purchases, and Spurs decide to spend money I think the title race will be a 3-4 team race in March. All big ifs though.
Benitez, being the contrarian that he is, might just very well fancy this.
I think Newcastle will be safe by the time Liverpool meet them.
Benitez is a winner and if there's one thing we learned whilst he was in charge at Anfield, it's that sentimentality holds no importance to him during a football match. He'll want to beat us because it's what's best for Newcastle. That said, I'm sure he'd raise a glass to seeing Liverpool crowned champions if it happens.
So this luck chat. Now that Utd have stopped winning the league are we saying luck doesn't even itself out over 38 games? Because that's all I used to hear on Redcafe since I've been here (2002).
Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs dont have the base on which to built a 95+ point in a season team. Man City will sure hit 95+ points next season provided if Pep stays and potentially Liverpool can hit close to 95 if their signings turns out as well as klopp's previous signings. Also Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs will need atleast 3-4 world class players each to reach that level (Arsenal need whole new defense and midfield, Utd needs, whole new defense, maidfield and RW, Chelsea and spurs have much better base to build up on but if Chelsea loses Hazard that will be walking 2 steps back before taking 3 steps forward, Spurs dont have the financial might of either of the above mentioned ckubs especially after building new stadium. Liverpool will be going after 2 midfielders atleast themselves. Add in struggling Bayern and Madrid to the equation and that is 6 teams looking for 3 world class players each. 18 players in total for those six clubs. Not to mention Barca, City and PSG will try to target those same players. We can even add Barca, Juve, Dortmund and Atheltico to this list. Which creates two problems.
1) I dont see 18 world players currently available.
2) Even if they end up identifying a player, lot of the clubs on the list above will be after him, which will inflate the transfer fee immensely.
This is also the reason, you need to play in CL on regular basis because it makes it easy to afford the inflated price and your targets actually see you as potential club.
I think the bolded is disconnect between the perception fans have of obtaining world class players and reality. There is a tendency to think world class players are obvious and simply buying them ensures success. Look at Liverpool's front three. It's safe to say nobody thought they would be world class players when they were bought, but with the right system/coach and complimentary players around them look at them now. Liverpool sold their only world class midfielder (Coutinho) and yet they are still challenging without any world class center mids. Look at Spurs, Harry Kane and Alli came through the youth system, Vertonghen and Alderweireld were very good business, and Eriksen cost less than the likes of Lamela, Solado, and Paulinho. On the flipside, so-called world class players who went for big money like Alexis Sanchez and Coutinho aren't guaranteed to stay at that level in a new team.
That why I said if those teams I mentioned spend money wisely. World class players aren't some known quality and with teams like City and PSG even the bigger clubs have to be shrewder in the transfer market. United fans should understand that now.
In my opinion, a lot of this comes down to buy players that fit a system rather than buying players based on name or potential. For instance, I don't think Wan Bissaka is a good buy for United. Not b/c he isn't good, but mainly b/c United would be better suited playing more attacking fullbacks (I think Dalot can be that player) to take the pressue off the midfield to create chances (this is my opinion and of course I could be wrong). To me, that is main difference between City and Liverpool. It's obvious over the last few years they have bought for need, and when then don't get the player they want, they don't make panic buys for ill fitting players, they try work with what they have.
Your assessment is correct if United are only targeting, known world class players, but that is an expensive and, IMO, futile proposition. Recruitment has to be about fit, current skill level and potential (if they are young). Simply buying players the public considers world class might sell shirts but it doesn't ensure success on the pitch.
Actually i agree with your opinion and i indeed wanted to write it in my opinion but my initial piece was so long that i decided to not include it. Apart from one thing, that is the under the radar signings like firmino, mane, alli, harry kane, robertson etc take half to one full season to settle in. There are very few cases of salah i.e players which have settled in straightaway. By the time your well scouted signing settles in, the title has already slipped away when you are trying to reach 95+ point haul in a season. Keita was touted as perfect signing but it was fabinho who settled in first. And keita was the best player liverpool could sign. So basically even if somebody has supposedly perfect transfer window doesnt mean it will pan out as you planned it out.
Possibly, but he also tends to be negative as feck against much better teams. Can't see Newcastle beating them although a gloriously sweaty 0-0 draw may be on the cards if we're being optimistic.
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