Liverpool 2018/19

By how many points will Liverpool win the title this season?

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Klopper76 said:
I’m clinging to the hope that their complacency will bite them in the arse again. It’s a race now though.
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It depends on Guardiola. If he's complacent or laid back, then the squad will be. If he's breathing fire down their arses, City players will not drop many more points.

It's one of the reasons Ferguson was so effective. He didn't tolerate complacency. Players gave 100% for fear of his wrath.

To be honest, I don't know what Klopp is like in the dressing room but I think some tough love and urgency might be the way to go.
 
Klopper76 said:
I’m clinging to the hope that their complacency will bite them in the arse again. It’s a race now though.
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Yeah it's a proper race now. It seems we may finally have one. If I'm not mistaken we've had one proper title race (13/14) in the past 7 seasons. That's absurd.

My worry with City is not complacency but composure. They aren't used to a title challenge/regularly winning under pressure like most great teams are. The again, Livepool don't look the best right now either. Fun times ahead.
 
Klopper76 said:
That reminds me of what this place was like at HT in our EL final vs Sevilla. Mass hysteria everywhere.

It’s such a knee-jerk sport.
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It doesn’t make sense for it to be knee jerk, because when we extrapolate, we have more than enough reason to believe anything can happen. I mean we both have games etched in our history where we were 3-0 at half time, dead and buried, you guys won the CL on penalties and we put 5 past Tottenham. It takes a second to score a goal, and there are just too many factors at play for some people to post with the confidence they do about the way somethings going to go.
 
Fridge chutney said:
It depends on Guardiola. If he's complacent or laid back, then the squad will be. If he's breathing fire down their arses, City players will not drop many more points.

It's one of the reasons Ferguson was so effective. He didn't tolerate complacency. Players gave 100% for fear of his wrath.

To be honest, I don't know what Klopp is like in the dressing room but I think some tough love and urgency might be the way to go.
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I think Guardiola has to be a bit in between. Haven’t there been reports that a lot of his former players don’t like his breathing down the neck approach?

Ferguson’s management is just not worth mentioning in the same breath as anyone else’s, it was so unique. How he did what he did is unlikely to be repeated.
 
Arbitrium said:
I think Guardiola has to be a bit in between. Haven’t there been reports that a lot of his former players don’t like his breathing down the neck approach?

Ferguson’s management is just not worth mentioning in the same breath as anyone else’s, it was so unique. How he did what he did is unlikely to be repeated.
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I won't argue with that. Ferguson is a genius. My point is that managers can learn from some of his traits (one of which was to motivate his side regardless of how much they'd already won).
 
Fridge chutney said:
It depends on Guardiola. If he's complacent or laid back, then the squad will be. If he's breathing fire down their arses, City players will not drop many more points.

It's one of the reasons Ferguson was so effective. He didn't tolerate complacency. Players gave 100% for fear of his wrath.

To be honest, I don't know what Klopp is like in the dressing room but I think some tough love and urgency might be the way to go.
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I saw a clip of his team talk where he was talking about Ince and not letting him bully United or something? I loved it. A proper team talk to rev his team up for a player who was more than capable of stirring it up. Ferguson’s ruthlessness is why he’s a winner.
amolbhatia50k said:
Yeah it's a proper race now. It seems we may finally have one. If I'm not mistaken we've had one proper title race (13/14) in the past 7 seasons. That's absurd.

My worry with City is not complacency but composure. They aren't used to a title challenge/regularly winning under pressure like most great teams are. The again, Livepool don't look the best right now either. Fun times ahead.
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Yeah that was the last time. Thanks for reminding me. :(

The Leicester season was sort of a race but they ended up winning it with games to spare. Other than that all we’ve had from 12/13 through to now is one team running away with it.

It’s frustrating because if we were up against anyone other than this City side we’d probably run away with it too.
 
Fridge chutney said:
I won't argue with that. Ferguson is a genius. My point is that managers can learn from some of his traits (one of which was to motivate his side regardless of how much they'd already won).
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I do wonder how he would be at this point in the decade. Player and agent power has definitely gone up in the last 5/6 years. In 2009, how many agents names did people know? Now everyone and his dog knows who mendes and raiola are, and Ferguson- who spent a chunk of his time making sure agents didn’t poison his players minds- would have struggled with that shift in the power dynamic.

On topic though, as far as motivating players goes I’m not sure Klopp is capable of doing it when the chips are REALLY down.
 
Klopper76 said:
I’m clinging to the hope that their complacency will bite them in the arse again. It’s a race now though.
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Your fixtures still look the easiest on paper (by far really) but it's these midtable teams outside the top 6 that can be the problem. Everyone remembers our 4-4 draw against Everton in 2012 but we lost to fecking Wigan the week before. Going to be quite a few dropped points by both I reckon.
 
Irwin99 said:
Your fixtures still look the easiest on paper (by far really) but it's these midtable teams outside the top 6 that can be the problem. Everyone remembers our 4-4 draw against Everton in 2012 but we lost to fecking Wigan the week before. Going to be quite a few dropped points by both I reckon.
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Yeah true. Our last two games are evidence of that.

We play Wolves at home on the last day which doesn’t look easy.
 
They are bottling it a bit too early for my liking. Will probably suit them to be chasing city coming into the finish.
 
Can someone change the silly thread title now?

And may be delete the sillier poll.
 
Besides United away what other difficult away fixture do they have ?
 
Irwin99 said:
Your fixtures still look the easiest on paper (by far really) but it's these midtable teams outside the top 6 that can be the problem. Everyone remembers our 4-4 draw against Everton in 2012 but we lost to fecking Wigan the week before. Going to be quite a few dropped points by both I reckon.
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That 4-4 to Everton still haunts me to this day. Still don't know how the feck that happened and how the feck United were not champions in 2012 despite the 6-1 I think united were the best team all season.
 
Klopper76 said:
Arguably Everton away and Chelsea/Spurs at home. Wolves at home isn’t easy either but that’s last day of the season.
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Thats it for the big games ? Jesus where have I been.
 
SportingCP96 said:
Thats it for the big games ? Jesus where have I been.
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Yeah that’s it.

We’ve played 7 of our 10 vs the other top six sides.

We’ve beaten Spurs 2-1 away, United 3-1 at home & Arsenal 5-1 at home.
We drew 1-1 with Arsenal & Chelsea away, and also drew 0-0 with City at home.
Our defeat was 2-1 away to City.

So 12 from a possible 21 so far.

Against the rest of the league we’ve dropped four points.
 
Hope this isn't lazy analysis from my end but is the old Klopp teams pressing all season and then tiring becoming true again? (or is that just a myth?)
 
shamans said:
Hope this isn't lazy analysis from my end but is the old Klopp teams pressing all season and then tiring becoming true again? (or is that just a myth?)
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No. Klopp specifically played a conservative possession based style earlier on in the season seemingly to prevent this. Liverpool barely pressed like they used to in the first half of the season. I think the problem is that the squad depth was over-rated (no notable backups to Mane, Salah and Firmino and the defense) so the front 3, Van Dijk, Robertson, TAA got burnt out fast (Van Dijk has had several illnesses since November) from all the games the played without being rotated properly.

The backups of Moreno, Matip, Lovren, Keita, Solanke are just poor and Clyne was imprudently loaned.
 
I support City to win the league. City's fan here.

But tbh, I still think it Liverpool year. Regardless how bad their performance are, they always manage to end up with a draw. When City struggle, they LOST to on the bottom of the list team (like Newcastle who 15th place). But when Liverpool struggle, they just somehow manage a DRAW, always.

And the thing that separate City and Liverpool is City "inconsistency". It funny how they went on a string of winning games (win big too), and then bam, lost to a 15th place team. And this has repeated itself throughout the season, City "inconsistency".
City won't go unbeaten, their inconsistency will stop them from doing so. And I bet next time they lost, it will be lost to a bottom of the list team again, just like they lost to Newcastle, Leicaster, etc..

I find Liverpool way more consistent. Sure, they draw two games in a row, but it still a draw, they still get a point out of it. And they still 3 points clear.

Until I see Liverpool actually lost a game. Yes, lost. Not draw, lost. I refuse to worry about Liverpool title dip. It theirs.

I been wanting them (Liverpool) to lost, every game they struggle is I pray for them to lost. But they somehow just manage a draw at the end. I must admit, it just their year, something is keep saving Liverpool.

I still think Liverpool still has the edge, and still will win the league (as much as I don't want them to).
 
Klopper76 said:
Yeah that’s it.

We’ve played 7 of our 10 vs the other top six sides.

We’ve beaten Spurs 2-1 away, United 3-1 at home & Arsenal 5-1 at home.
We drew 1-1 with Arsenal & Chelsea away, and also drew 0-0 with City at home.
Our defeat was 2-1 away to City.

So 12 from a possible 21 so far.

Against the rest of the league we’ve dropped four points.
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Isn't the point that you're having a wobble? Those 4 points were dropped in the last two games.
 
No doubt Klopps style of play is very effective, but also incredibly demanding on the players over a long season and its starting to show really. Right now they are looking like all bark and no bite and so many players look leggy within the first 10 minutes
 
Bobcat said:
No doubt Klopps style of play is very effective, but also incredibly demanding on the players over a long season and its starting to show really. Right now they are looking like all bark and no bite and so many players look leggy within the first 10 minutes
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And they haven't even got to the busy part of the season yet. If they progress in the CL, between that and the league it'll be a big game literally every few days
 
Klopp's decision to send Clyne on loan looks more and more bizarre. He's been out of form but surely there was no pressing need to send him out on loan.
 
Still think Liverpool will win it, as they have a fairly easy run-in, are out of domestic cups and they generally look solid and hard to beat. That said they haven't looked great for a while now. That exciting and ruthless attack just isn't on song at the moment.
 
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KM said:
Klopp's decision to send Clyne on loan looks more and more bizarre. He's been out of form but surely there was no pressing need to send him out on loan.
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True, but wasn’t his loan linked to the Solanke deal? If so it was poorly negotiated
 
KM said:
Klopp's decision to send Clyne on loan looks more and more bizarre. He's been out of form but surely there was no pressing need to send him out on loan.
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Klopp didn't want him to leave, Clyne did. He hardly featured in their first team and wanted first team football. Can't blame either of them really.
 
Dyslexic Untied said:
Still think Liverpool will win it, as they have a fairly easy run-in, are out of domestic cups and they generally look solid and heart to beat. That said they haven't looked great for a while now. That exciting and ruthless attack just isn't on song at the moment.
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Nice easy game for them on Saturday to get back to wining ways and bang in a few goals. Eddie's open attacking football is just what Klopp needs.
Eddie Howe just doesn't know any other way.
 
They don't even look good, i think it's very very likely that City will take this. Yeah Liverpool's schedule might be easier, but they look really bad. January has been piss-poor for them and i don't see that changing. Scrappy wins against Palace & Brighton and 2 very fortunate draws against Leicester & WHU.
 
SportingCP96 said:
That 4-4 to Everton still haunts me to this day. Still don't know how the feck that happened and how the feck United were not champions in 2012 despite the 6-1 I think united were the best team all season.
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It’s funny because I thought the opposite. For me, City was the better team and that’s why I wasn’t as heartbroken as the majority of the United fans. In my mind, the better team has one the title and I had peace. I have never seen Aguero’s goal, mind you. Hope I never will.

As for the 6-1, I think it was something like 2-1 with 20 to go and we were pressing for the equaliser. Then someone got sent off and it was the perfect storm for them where everything was going in. The game was far more balanced than the result suggested though.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Yeah it's a proper race now. It seems we may finally have one. If I'm not mistaken we've had one proper title race (13/14) in the past 7 seasons. That's absurd.

My worry with City is not complacency but composure. They aren't used to a title challenge/regularly winning under pressure like most great teams are. The again, Livepool don't look the best right now either. Fun times ahead.
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To be fair, we've won 3 PL titles and 2 of those went to the last game of the season, so I think that shows we can win titles under pressure. It was only 2017/18 that was a procession. In 2011/12 we came apart in late March/early April, but then won the last 6 games as United arguably bottled it. In 2013/14 we started slowly with loads of away defeats so were always playing catch up (and we also had games in hand), and won the last 5 games to win it. We've not really been in a proper title race and lost it (we've been out of it well before the business end of the season).

I don't think City's problem is complacency, we've just have had a dip in form, as most sides go through during a season. Part of that can be explained by injuries and fixture pile-up, but mostly it's normal that teams have stretches in a season when they aren't playing as well and results can suffer. The 100 point season is a historical anomaly that shouldn't be compared against.
 
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andyox said:
To be fair, we've won 3 PL titles and 2 of those went to the last game of the season, so I think that shows we can win titles under pressure. It was only 2017/18 that was a procession. In 2011/12 we came apart in late March/early April, but then won the last 6 games as United arguably bottled it. In 2013/14 we started slowly with loads of away defeats so were always playing catch up (and we also had games in hand), and won the last 5 games to win it. We've not really been in a proper title race and lost it (we've been out of it well before the business end of the season).

I don't think City's problem is complacency, we've just have had a dip in form, as most sides go through during a season. Part of that can be explained by injuries and fixture pile-up, but mostly it's normal that teams have stretches in a season when they aren't playing as well and results can suffer. The 100 point season is a historical anomaly that shouldn't be compared against.
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soccergirl said:
I support City to win the league. City's fan here.

But tbh, I still think it Liverpool year. Regardless how bad their performance are, they always manage to end up with a draw. When City struggle, they LOST to on the bottom of the list team (like Newcastle who 15th place). But when Liverpool struggle, they just somehow manage a DRAW, always.

And the thing that separate City and Liverpool is City "inconsistency". It funny how they went on a string of winning games (win big too), and then bam, lost to a 15th place team. And this has repeated itself throughout the season, City "inconsistency".
City won't go unbeaten, their inconsistency will stop them from doing so. And I bet next time they lost, it will be lost to a bottom of the list team again, just like they lost to Newcastle, Leicaster, etc..

I find Liverpool way more consistent. Sure, they draw two games in a row, but it still a draw, they still get a point out of it. And they still 3 points clear.

Until I see Liverpool actually lost a game. Yes, lost. Not draw, lost. I refuse to worry about Liverpool title dip. It theirs.

I been wanting them (Liverpool) to lost, every game they struggle is I pray for them to lost. But they somehow just manage a draw at the end. I must admit, it just their year, something is keep saving Liverpool.

I still think Liverpool still has the edge, and still will win the league (as much as I don't want them to).
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I think this basically too. Nothing so wrong that thrashing Bournemouth won't sort it out.

City need 6 points from these Everton & Chelsea games before we start getting too excited, imo.
 
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