Liverpool - 2017/18

he's looking for a bite I think :lol::D

But no the fee seems to be circa 35M with bonuses which is an absolute steal in this market for a player with his record. It's no exaggeration to say if he was English the price would be double. It remains to be seen how he does but on paper it looks promising but then again football isn't played on paper.

What record?
 
A fourth - maybe fifth if we can count Sturridge - player who can realistically achieve double figures in league next season. As someone mentioned above they'll have no problem scoring again next season, and a large part of that is down to how evenly spread their contributors are.
 
Mignolet, Clyne, Matip, Lovren, Milner.

Not shit. Not at all. None of those players are bad players. Even Mignolet has recovered and had a good season. The narrative distorts the reality.

Klopp plays with a very attacking approach, it's tough playing defence for Liverpool.
Lovren is shit and Clyne barely offers anything offensively. And Mignolet will never be a top top goalie.
 
One of the best midfielders of his generation and the best striker in the world. Even if we could afford the current best strikers in the world, do you honestly think they would want to join Liverpool? We can't buy world class players at the moment because they're unattainable both financially and attractive destination wise. The closest we can get is Lacazette-type of players and even he seems pretty unattainable. If we want Suarez-type quality at Liverpool again in the near future, it'll be a player on the verge of breaking through like Suarez was when we bought him. However, even those players, like Dolberg or Mbappe for example, already cost a shitload of money these days and can almost choose which club they'll join. It's not as easy as it once used to be to sign talents from the top bracket, especially for reasonable prices.
Was Suarez really "the best striker in the world" in early '11? No, he became the best at Liverpool. And I don't think Salah is a potential world beater but once again - I think he's a good buy.
 
Mignolet, Clyne, Matip, Lovren, Milner.

Not shit. Not at all. None of those players are bad players. Even Mignolet has recovered and had a good season. The narrative distorts the reality.

Klopp plays with a very attacking approach, it's tough playing defence for Liverpool.
I'd say two are miles below top4 standard, two are barely there (if they have a good day) and there's Matip. It's a shit back 5, significantly worse than United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and on par (if not worse) than City, probably few other clubs too
 
Great signing, I think. I haven't seen a lot of him, but his numbers are great and he should make our offense quite potent and entertaining. Most importantly, he strengthens our squad significantly which we desperately need. Now on to a striker, a CB and a LB:-)
 
Was Suarez really "the best striker in the world" in early '11? No, he became the best at Liverpool. And I don't think Salah is a potential world beater but once again - I think he's a good buy.
Yeah that's what I meant, we need to buy players who are ready to become the best in the world like we did with Suarez (and Coutinho to a lesser extent).
 
Mignolet, Clyne, Matip, Lovren, Milner.

Not shit. Not at all. None of those players are bad players. Even Mignolet has recovered and had a good season. The narrative distorts the reality.

Klopp plays with a very attacking approach, it's tough playing defence for Liverpool.
Delusional, it's tough playing defence for Liverpool? Are you serious man. That is the main reason Liverpool haven't won anything worth talking about in the last decade. You don't win anything with a crap gk and defence. Just call it as it is, Matip is alright. When I say alright, I mean it in the same way Smalling is alright. Every team has weaknesses, some more than others. Has it ever occurred to some pool fans, that buying Southampton players won't win Liverpool the league.
 
Yeah that's what I meant, we need to buy players who are ready to become the best in the world like we did with Suarez (and Coutinho to a lesser extent).
Disagree that Suarez was on the verge of a breakthrough when you signed him, but I agree with your point.
 
Delusional, it's tough playing defence for Liverpool? Are you serious man. That is the main reason Liverpool haven't won anything worth talking about in the last decade. You don't win anything with a crap gk and defence. Just call it as it is, Matip is alright. When I say alright, I mean it in the same way Smalling is alright. Every team has weaknesses, some more than others. Has it ever occurred to some pool fans, that buying Southampton players won't win Liverpool the league.

It's true though. Systems help players look/perform better. Put Rojo in our defence and he would be worse than Lovren, but put Lovren in your defence and I'm sure Mourinho with his system will get the best out of him. His system even made Rojo look good.
 
In Italy.... different game here.

Decent player but not a major increase in what you have.

Tough one to debate In my opinion . Defences in Italy are tougher to break down but the English game is a lot faster so he won't get as much time on the ball .

Good signing . Time will tell.

InSalah ( couldn't resist )
 
Possible first XI:

Mignolet
Clyne - Matip - Lovren - Milner
Henderson - Wijnaldum
Mané - Coutinho - Salah
Firmino

Doesn't frighten me, to be honest. Defence is still poor, midfield solid & attack good, not great.
 
I'd say two are miles below top4 standard, two are barely there (if they have a good day) and there's Matip. It's a shit back 5, significantly worse than United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and on par (if not worse) than City, probably few other clubs too

I get your point but that's like saying United have the same quality in attack as Bornemouth as they both scored 55 goals last season. Our defence was shite last season but there is a number of reasons why . Not enough defensive cover from midfield and wingers pushing too far forward and not being able to track back . Same as United . Your midfield and Jose's system was too cautious but that doesn't mean your forwards are shite and on par with Bournemouth's.
 
Possible first XI:

Mignolet
Clyne - Matip - Lovren - Milner
Henderson - Wijnaldum
Mané - Coutinho - Salah
Firmino

Doesn't frighten me, to be honest. Defence is still poor, midfield solid & attack good, not great.

They'll reinforce further. Reckon they will go for some CB and DM\B2B we've never heard about from the German league.

Their interest in VVD and Keita probably means they are looking for reinforcements in those two positions. They are never getting Keita though.
 
Possible first XI:

Mignolet
Clyne - Matip - Lovren - Milner
Henderson - Wijnaldum
Mané - Coutinho - Salah
Firmino

Doesn't frighten me, to be honest. Defence is still poor, midfield solid & attack good, not great.

Put any or all of those players under Pep, Jose or even Rodgers and none of them frighten/impress me either. Put them under Klopp and...hold on to your moist underwear. :)
 
They'll reinforce further. Reckon they will go for some CB and DM\B2B we've never heard about from the German league.

Their interest in VVD and Keita probably means they are looking for reinforcements in those two positions. They are never getting Keita though.
Johannes Geis would be a great alternative. Agree that it'll be nearly impossible to lure Keita away from Leipzig, but it's clear indeed that LB, CB and CM are our other priorities. It's still early so I'm not really worried about it.
 
Johannes Geis would be a great alternative. Agree that it'll be nearly impossible to lure Keita away from Leipzig, but it's clear indeed that LB, CB and CM are our other priorities. It's still early so I'm not really worried about it.

You should go all in for Jonas Hector and Süle, would cost a pretty penny though.

RBL has shown in the case of Forsberg that they won't entertain the idea of selling first teamers at all, besides another season like last and a good run in the CL and Keita can have his pick amongst quite a few clubs.

Perhaps you should try for Goretzka, was rumours about Bayern but now they've signed Tolisso it might have cooled off.
 
Good signing, never seen him play on the left wing so I'd like to see how Klopp fits him and Mane into the team. Salah has come a long way since his tough performances for Chelsea. Liverpool's attacking midfield was already impressive though, I'm more interested to see who they sign at more pressing positions for them such as centreback, central midfield and left back.
 
I get your point but that's like saying United have the same quality in attack as Bornemouth as they both scored 55 goals last season. Our defence was shite last season but there is a number of reasons why . Not enough defensive cover from midfield and wingers pushing too far forward and not being able to track back . Same as United . Your midfield and Jose's system was too cautious but that doesn't mean your forwards are shite and on par with Bournemouth's.
Performace wise (so not on paper), I'd say our attack last year was absolutely miserable and the main reason we finished so low. Comparison with Bournemouth is not that off. That's why I fully expect Jose to prioritise this issue and address it with probably 2 major signing in attack. Liverpool's defence was arguably the main reason why you didn't seriously challenge for a title nor won any trophy - I wonder if Klopp will strengthen this area as significantly as Jose will deal will our attack
Hopefully, unless he secretly hopes Fellaini will be our top scorer next season
 
You should go all in for Jonas Hector and Süle, would cost a pretty penny though.

RBL has shown in the case of Forsberg that they won't entertain the idea of selling first teamers at all, besides another season like last and a good run in the CL and Keita can have his pick amongst quite a few clubs.

Perhaps you should try for Goretzka, was rumours about Bayern but now they've signed Tolisso it might have cooled off.
Süle is at Bayern already, but Hector is still a solid option for LB yeah and I don't think we would have to break the bank to get him either.

I'd rather a proper DM (which Keita isn't really either tbf) than a Goretzka type of player but we'll see, I guess. I only hope, whoever it is, he actually improves our starting XI, and not just on Can/Wijnaldum level to compete for a starting spot.
 
Performace wise (so not on paper), I'd say our attack last year was absolutely miserable and the main reason we finished so low. Comparison with Bournemouth is not that off. That's why I fully expect Jose to prioritise this issue and address it with probably 2 major signing in attack. Liverpool's defence was arguably the main reason why you didn't seriously challenge for a title nor won any trophy - I wonder if Klopp will strengthen this area as significantly as Jose will deal will our attack
Hopefully, unless he secretly hopes Fellaini will be our top scorer next season

Klopp is crackers but surely not that crackers.

:lol:

I reckon United could of attacked more if they wanted to but Jose was the problem.
 
Süle is at Bayern already, but Hector is still a solid option for LB yeah and I don't think we would have to break the bank to get him either.

I'd rather a proper DM (which Keita isn't really either tbf) than a Goretzka type of player but we'll see, I guess. I only hope, whoever it is, he actually improves our starting XI, and not just on Can/Wijnaldum level to compete for a starting spot.

Thats an area that needs addressing . If Henderson is injured we need a solid DM. We need one anyway being honest and one better than Henderson. I rate him but we need one the next level up .
 
Klopp is crackers but surely not that crackers.

:lol:

I reckon United could of attacked more if they wanted to but Jose was the problem.
We attacked a shit ton until the last two months of the season where we realized we'd fecked up Top 4 and focused on EL and tried to grind out results. Granted, we weren't as attacking as Liverpool but we created a ton of chances. I don't think you understand how awful we were at finishing, we would attack and put together some great moves but as soon as we got into the box we turned into fecking Middlesbrough :mad:
 
It's true though. Systems help players look/perform better. Put Rojo in our defence and he would be worse than Lovren, but put Lovren in your defence and I'm sure Mourinho with his system will get the best out of him. His system even made Rojo look good.
What? No.
 
It's true though. Systems help players look/perform better. Put Rojo in our defence and he would be worse than Lovren, but put Lovren in your defence and I'm sure Mourinho with his system will get the best out of him. His system even made Rojo look good.
You couldn't be any further from the truth if you tried. Rojo shits on Lovren. In any team.
 
Possible first XI:

Mignolet
Clyne - Matip - Lovren - Milner
Henderson - Wijnaldum
Mané - Coutinho - Salah
Firmino

Doesn't frighten me, to be honest. Defence is still poor, midfield solid & attack good, not great.
It's not a league winning team but it's probably better on paper than the Leicester team that won it.

The front 4 looks solid but the rest of them? Not so much. Clyne is decent but I wouldn't have the rest of them near a United side. In fact the only Liverpool players I'd probably have at United are Mane and Clyne.
 
It's not a league winning team but it's probably better on paper than the Leicester team that won it.

The front 4 looks solid but the rest of them? Not so much. Clyne is decent but I wouldn't have the rest of them near a United side. In fact the only Liverpool players I'd probably have at United are Mane and Clyne.

Weird way to spell Coutinho.
 
The front 4 looks solid but the rest of them?
Damning with faint praise. Far better than solid. I'd imagine they'll outscore nearly every team next season. Klopp doesn't build solid attacks. He's improved an already strong attack.

I'm not into cheap United digs, but the attack for United is arguably solid but lacks a fluidity needed to score bundles. Even with one of the best centre forwards in the league United were too easy to play against too often. The market may improve that but it's still a chief priority.
 
Performace wise (so not on paper), I'd say our attack last year was absolutely miserable and the main reason we finished so low. Comparison with Bournemouth is not that off. That's why I fully expect Jose to prioritise this issue and address it with probably 2 major signing in attack. Liverpool's defence was arguably the main reason why you didn't seriously challenge for a title nor won any trophy - I wonder if Klopp will strengthen this area as significantly as Jose will deal will our attack
Hopefully, unless he secretly hopes Fellaini will be our top scorer next season
I'd say it was Jose's tactics that was the main reason for the failure of your attack and outstanding performance of your defence, rather than personnel per se. Buying more and more expensive players doesn't necessarily fix that. Hit and miss as we've seen over the years with expensive signings. And that is arse about tit with Klopp, he prioritised the attack over the defence, hence the fine performance (when all fit) of the attack and relatively poor performance of a frequently exposed defence. Both managers need to find a balance and that's what I expect them to be concentrating on. Of course in Liverpool's case they also need to add depth, so therefore Salah's signing is not surprising in that regard, and change one or two personnel in the back five, but wholesale changes aren't required there.
 
Possible first XI:

Mignolet
Clyne - Matip - Lovren - Milner
Henderson - Wijnaldum
Mané - Coutinho - Salah
Firmino

Doesn't frighten me, to be honest. Defence is still poor, midfield solid & attack good, not great.

Our first eleven was better than most last season, with Salah we have added pace and creativity plus more back up for injuries. Our attack was very good last season, and now it's even better. With Solanke also we have improved our back up and bench options.

Our defence is not good enough and midfield will be strengthened in this transfer window - it is still open you know, so I think as far as the shape of the team goes we need to see who else is brought in.
 
It's not the same price since it's £37m while City paid £43m for Bernardo Silva ;)

It's a fair price, no steal for us but we've not overpaid either imo. This is a player with something like 19 goals and 11 assists last season, and the Serie A is probably higher quality than Ligue 1 at the moment - Bernardo Silva had 8 goals and 9 asissts for arguably the best, most free-flowing attacking team in the world last season. The only thing he has on Salah right now is age, and more hype.
Dint he play striker last season and score many tap ins( i know they all count), my point being you cant compare two players in different positions in terms of goals?On my part i was talking about talent and potential.
Also last year was a freak year in Seria A with so many people getting 20 or close to it. I am sure he will be a good signing, but i think those numbers will be at best halved over here. If he doesnt play as a striker, dont expect him to score too many.
 
Possible first XI:

Mignolet
Clyne - Matip - Lovren - Milner
Henderson - Wijnaldum
Mané - Coutinho - Salah
Firmino

Doesn't frighten me, to be honest. Defence is still poor, midfield solid & attack good, not great.
No way they stick with that 11 next season - its bang average and they have Europe to contend with as well :drool:
 
Possible first XI:

Mignolet
Clyne - Matip - Lovren - Milner
Henderson - Wijnaldum
Mané - Coutinho - Salah
Firmino

Doesn't frighten me, to be honest. Defence is still poor, midfield solid & attack good, not great.
Of course as others have pointed out that won't be our starting lineup - ditto all the other top clubs - so difficult to make a call at this moment in time. What is clear is that we have just added depth to the forward line so that if we suffer a similar run of injuries to key forwards, as happended in Jan/Feb last season, our game shouldn't drop off a cliff.

I don't think the VVD saga has finished yet. He's clearly very pissed off and Southampton may be biding their time (new manager as well) so see if other offers appear. If not it wouldn't surprise me to see them offload, to us, a disenchanted captain that could affect the morale of the rest of the club. See how much better the defence looks with a CB and LB, two positions we have made very obvious we are targeting. If we get Keita, a very big if but again another position we are clearly trying to strengthen, then it looks bloody damn good (you can play with the formation) and it also leaves us with strength in depth as cover and for the extra match load : Lovren, Milner, Can, Henderson, Lallana, Sturridge etc. and not a bench consisting of mainly teenagers but of proven first team players.


Mignolet
Clyne - Matip - VVD - Kierney
Keita - Wijnaldum
Mané - Coutinho - Salah
Firmino
 
Dint he play striker last season and score many tap ins( i know they all count), my point being you cant compare two players in different positions in terms of goals?On my part i was talking about talent and potential.
Also last year was a freak year in Seria A with so many people getting 20 or close to it. I am sure he will be a good signing, but i think those numbers will be at best halved over here. If he doesnt play as a striker, dont expect him to score too many.
He didn't just perform last season though. In terms of Serie A only (exc. cups and Europe) he scored 15 goals and 13 assists last season, the season before 14+8 and in the half season before that when he had just arrived, 6+3, that's very consistent. Of course Liverpool play a different style but the argument could also be that with so many other potential goalscorers around him (and not just a target man as at Roma) his attacking options will be better and could compensate.
What is a positive for me is that he does score tap-ins, he gets into the right positions to make them happen, something that is frankly one of the weaknesses of our attack since we dont have anyone else (bar Ings) if that ilk.
 
I'd say it was Jose's tactics that was the main reason for the failure of your attack and outstanding performance of your defence, rather than personnel per se. Buying more and more expensive players doesn't necessarily fix that. Hit and miss as we've seen over the years with expensive signings. And that is arse about tit with Klopp, he prioritised the attack over the defence, hence the fine performance (when all fit) of the attack and relatively poor performance of a frequently exposed defence. Both managers need to find a balance and that's what I expect them to be concentrating on. Of course in Liverpool's case they also need to add depth, so therefore Salah's signing is not surprising in that regard, and change one or two personnel in the back five, but wholesale changes aren't required there.

Nah our issues were mainly finishing. Most of games where we had at least 6-7 clear chances which we missed from and ended up 1-1. Creating is not our problem. Our problem was

1. we had no one to create from the left with martial being inconsistent (young. So not shocked).

2. Freak injuries which caused us to finish the season with tuanzebe and the likes in defence. Rojo and Zlatan (ACL during games), jones and smalling (injured during England duty), mata ( needing a surgery), Bailly (injured due to a challenge in the Swansea game) etc. I doubt all these will happen again, at least not at the same time
 
he's looking for a bite I think :lol::D

But no the fee seems to be circa 35M with bonuses which is an absolute steal in this market for a player with his record. It's no exaggeration to say if he was English the price would be double. It remains to be seen how he does but on paper it looks promising but then again football isn't played on paper.

Not sure if anoyone posted this, Roma have confirmed the fee is 42 Million + 8 Million euros.