Liverpool - 2017/18

It's true though. Systems help players look/perform better. Put Rojo in our defence and he would be worse than Lovren, but put Lovren in your defence and I'm sure Mourinho with his system will get the best out of him. His system even made Rojo look good.
What an odd thing to say, talk about excuses and not calling it as it is. Rojo improved because he got a run of games in his main position. Your logic makes no sense, LVG had a defensive system and Smalling looked great. He had an awful season under Jose. He simply made terrible errors that led to goals, nothing about a system. A player like Bailly walks in to nearly any team, why? Because he's overall a brilliant player. Lovren played for Southampton, that's his level. Players can step up and go further like Mane and Lallana, both had good seasons(especially Mane). Then there are limited players like your back 5. Still hoping Mignolet might be the answer, when everyone can see he isn't.
That's your opinion. I bet you wasn't saying that under LVG or when Mourinho first took over. He was absolutely dreadful. I think Lovren would be much better under Mourinho than Klopp. You guys always think your players are better. I had to put up with the following over the years.

Welbeck > Sturridge
Januzaj > Sterling
RVP > Suarez
Cleverly > Henderson
Sure let's keep it recent while we are picking random names. Henderson is apparently better than Pogba, according to you lot. Then there is the Origi v Martial debate. What a debate eh...I could go over the last 25 years and give delusional comments by Pool fans. You said we always think our players are better, I don't think so. The difference is we can admit it when they aren't. I remember many Liverpool fans admitting Ronaldo was only world class when he went to Real.

If you listen to some of the Liverpool ABU pundits, people would think we have had a disaster of a season. Souness, Redknapp ect..they never give us credit! The media in general are biased as feck. Klopp and Pep could do no wrong last season. We underperformed in the league but still won 2 trophies. Jose was bashed and ridiculed the entire way. Liverpool got to the same finals the previous year, lost both and Klopp gets a huge contract extension and praise by everyone. United never get the credit they deserve but that's ok, we understand how it works.
 
That's the number published by Roma, not CAF.
Caf logic: get mad when everyone includes Martial's add-ons in the price, do the same for other team's purchases.

For all we know the add-ons could be winning the league or him getting the Ballon d'Or. It's £37m for now, which is a long way off 50m.
 
Not sure if anoyone posted this, Roma have confirmed the fee is 42 Million + 8 Million euros.
Yeah that is more or less what I said. Obviously I've seen numerous prices bandied about but 35 with bonuses looks to be the benchmark figure.
 
Don't know how we will line up but see no reason we can't accommodate him, Mane and Firmino in the same team.
It could depend on who we are playing, at the very least our bench will be better!

See you doing the usual 'Cafe add a few million on to the price mate.



Our defence hasn't been good enough for years, clearly in this window he is looking at addressing that.
It could well be so far the right players just haven't been available.
I am saying his price including bonuses. I think that is fair since Martial is quoted at 57 million and not 35 million that we paid without bonuses.
 
Caf logic: get mad when everyone includes Martial's add-ons in the price, do the same for other team's purchases.

For all we know the add-ons could be winning the league or him getting the Ballon d'Or. It's £37m for now, which is a long way off 50m.

CAF logic? Even before Martial kicked the ball for ManUtd he was reported as 50 plus million player.

Yeah that is more or less what I said. Obviously I've seen numerous prices bandied about but 35 with bonuses looks to be the benchmark figure.

Looks like Liverpool journalists are the only one posting low numbers. BBC reported 39 Million pounds, Roma publishing numbers is as official as it can get.
 
why is there even a discussion about fees. We all know the market is chaotic at best and we all know each and every top PL club will be forced to pay a premium. People act like they don't care about it and then suddenly it's the most important thing in the world. the fact is 30/40 mill for a first xi quality player is a bargain.

hoping we have a chance to pay double that for certain players inn the coming weeks.
 
I am saying his price including bonuses. I think that is fair since Martial is quoted at 57 million and not 35 million that we paid without bonuses.

Fair enough, to be honest I don't really care what he cost as long as he produces on the pitch.
It's about time we broke our transfer record and I am hoping we break it again soon.
 
CAF logic? Even before Martial kicked the ball for ManUtd he was reported as 50 plus million player.



Looks like Liverpool journalists are the only one posting low numbers. BBC reported 39 Million pounds, Roma publishing numbers is as official as it can get.
Fair enough I was going off the Sky figures but 35 or 40 million it's somewhere in there in pounds with bonuses and it's probably one of the better deals we'll do.
 
Fair enough, to be honest I don't really care what he cost as long as he produces on the pitch.
It's about time we broke our transfer record and I am hoping we break it again soon.
Now that Van djik is off the table and kieta is going to stay after Uefa ruling on Lepzig who are you other targets?
 
CAF logic? Even before Martial kicked the ball for ManUtd he was reported as 50 plus million player.
Yes and most on here were quite angry that it was done that way, which is why I find it funny that most of yous are doing the same thing now for Salah, is all.

Anyway, I don't really care how much he costs as long as he delivers on the field. Like others have said, I hope this fee gets topped soon enough.
 
Fair enough I was going off the Sky figures but 35 or 40 million it's somewhere in there in pounds with bonuses and it's probably one of the better deals we'll do.

This was the issue I was talking about with other Liverpool fan. If there no official confirmation then we could have argued whole day which sources to believe but Roma have published the numbers, it's shouldn't even be up for debate.
 
Yes and most of here were quite angry that it was done that way, which is why I find it funny that most of yous are doing the same thing now for Salah, is all.

Not sure who was angry and who is doing what as at max only 2 ManUtd fans are posting about numbers here. Only 1 posted 50 Million and I'm correcting few LFC fans who said 34 Million including addons.
 
Caf this, Caf that. Third Liverpool poster is moaning about this place in the last two pages, why don't you lot leave if you've so many problems then? Half of you are clearly "appalled" that we don't rate Liverpool players or exaggerate their value.
 
Now that Van djik is off the table and kieta is going to stay after Uefa ruling on Lepzig who are you other targets?

Honestly don't know, we haven't really been linked with any others as far as I am aware.
Stefan de vrij was mentioned on RAWK a few times when the Van Dijk thing went wrong, but whether that's just fan talk I don't know.
Some are still hoping the Van Dijk thing is still a possibility if he puts in a transfer request. Maybe a bit optimistic.
 
Caf this, Caf that. Third Liverpool poster is moaning about this place in the last two pages, why don't you lot leave if you've so many problems then? Half of you are clearly "appalled" that we don't rate Liverpool players or exaggerate their value.
Were am I moaning about the Caf? :lol: I'm just saying add-ons should be stated as add-ons and not be included in the price, since none of you liked it either when the media did that with Martial.
 
What an odd thing to say, talk about excuses and not calling it as it is. Rojo improved because he got a run of games in his main position. Your logic makes no sense, LVG had a defensive system and Smalling looked great. He had an awful season under Jose. He simply made terrible errors that led to goals, nothing about a system. A player like Bailly walks in to nearly any team, why? Because he's overall a brilliant player. Lovren played for Southampton, that's his level. Players can step up and go further like Mane and Lallana, both had good seasons(especially Mane). Then there are limited players like your back 5. Still hoping Mignolet might be the answer, when everyone can see he isn't.

Sure let's keep it recent while we are picking random names. Henderson is apparently better than Pogba, according to you lot. Then there is the Origi v Martial debate. What a debate eh...I could go over the last 25 years and give delusional comments by Pool fans. You said we always think our players are better, I don't think so. The difference is we can admit it when they aren't. I remember many Liverpool fans admitting Ronaldo was only world class when he went to Real.

If you listen to some of the Liverpool ABU pundits, people would think we have had a disaster of a season. Souness, Redknapp ect..they never give us credit! The media in general are biased as feck. Klopp and Pep could do no wrong last season. We underperformed in the league but still won 2 trophies. Jose was bashed and ridiculed the entire way. Liverpool got to the same finals the previous year, lost both and Klopp gets a huge contract extension and praise by everyone. United never get the credit they deserve but that's ok, we understand how it works.
Christ this is really comedy gold ! Poor United, nobody understands us and everybody hates us ! Funny how supporters of every club feel the world is against them (except the ones that win the title).

As far as signing players from lower rated clubs - do you not know that 99% of the world's footballers all start at some club not called Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus or Barcelona ? Or Even Dortmund, Roma or Atletico for that matter.

Mignolet had an excellent second half of the season and improved massively. Almost certainly you are going by reputation and not your own eyes. Is he as good as De Gea ? No, of course not, but then no-one in the world is IMHO. Nor does he compare to Courtois. But compared to Bravo, Romero, Cech, or maybe even Loris who can also blow hot and cold, he's been just as consistent and is as good or better a shot-stopper. He's never going to be world class and I would like better (Butland) but he's not as crap as you are insinuating.
 
Chelsea are getting a % of the Salah fee. Probably £2.5 to £3 mil depending on the real price.
You can put that towards the £15 million it'll cost you to buy Moreno. ;)
 
Mignolet had an excellent second half of the season and improved massively. Almost certainly you are going by reputation and not your own eyes. Is he as good as De Gea ? No, of course not, but then no-one in the world is IMHO. Nor does he compare to Courtois. But compared to Bravo, Romero, Cech, or maybe even Loris who can also blow hot and cold, he's been just as consistent and is as good or better a shot-stopper. He's never going to be world class and I would like better (Butland) but he's not as crap as you are insinuating.

Absolute stellar bollocks.

Mignolet isn't fit to lace Lloris' boots, and I reckon most neutrals would take Romero over him as well, I sure as feck would.
 
Now that Van djik is off the table and kieta is going to stay after Uefa ruling on Lepzig who are you other targets?
I wouldn't write either of those off yet. Unless the rumour of Chelsea offering €68m for VVD is true. Otherwise we supposedly had an offer of £36.7m for Koulibaly turned down, this is typical Twitter though, if not VVD then whoever else fits the bill. For midfielders Lemar and Goretzka are favourites with the Twitterati but then they would be wouldn't they, and rumours re. Oxlade-Chamberlain persist. Other than that the club aren't going to tell us so we'll have to wait and see !
 
Christ this is really comedy gold ! Poor United, nobody understands us and everybody hates us ! Funny how supporters of every club feel the world is against them (except the ones that win the title).

As far as signing players from lower rated clubs - do you not know that 99% of the world's footballers all start at some club not called Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus or Barcelona ? Or Even Dortmund, Roma or Atletico for that matter.

Mignolet had an excellent second half of the season and improved massively. Almost certainly you are going by reputation and not your own eyes. Is he as good as De Gea ? No, of course not, but then no-one in the world is IMHO. Nor does he compare to Courtois. But compared to Bravo, Romero, Cech, or maybe even Loris who can also blow hot and cold, he's been just as consistent and is as good or better a shot-stopper. He's never going to be world class and I would like better (Butland) but he's not as crap as you are insinuating.
I'll tell you what is comedy gold? Comparing Mignolet to Lloris ha...you lot do live on another planet at times. Planet Delusion.
 
Absolute stellar bollocks.

Mignolet isn't fit to lace Lloris' boots, and I reckon most neutrals would take Romero over him as well, I sure as feck would.
Loris made a number of errors over the season and a horrific one for France. He's not impeccable. As I thought I had made clear I was talking about Mignolet over the second half of the season where he was damn good. And you're not neutral in any way or form - quite to the contrary in fact.
 
Loris made a number of errors over the season and a horrific one for France. He's not impeccable. As I thought I had made clear I was talking about Mignolet over the second half of the season where he was damn good. And you're not neutral in any way or form - quite to the contrary in fact.

You need a bigger sample size than one half of a season to judge a keeper, he has been consistently shit since you signed him, while Lloris largely has been good.

Only reason for me not outright stating that Romero is better than Mignolet is due to a lack of sample size, not enough matches for us to judge, and most of them in the EL as well.

Yeah, I meant most neutrals plus me as a United fan. I think you will be hard pressed to find anyone that would prefer Mignolet over Romero.
 
You need a bigger sample size than one half of a season to judge a keeper, he has been consistently shit since you signed him, while Lloris largely has been good.

Only reason for me not outright stating that Romero is better than Mignolet is due to a lack of sample size, not enough matches for us to judge, and most of them in the EL as well.

Yeah, I meant most neutrals plus me as a United fan. I think you will be hard pressed to find anyone that would prefer Mignolet over Romero.
Well the reason I specifically mentioned the second half of the season, and used that as a comparison versus the other keepers and their 2H season performances, was because his known issues seem to have been addressed to some extent, distribution, failure to come and collect crosses and control of his own area. His prowess at shot-stopping has never been an issue. In that regard Manninger (and not Achterberg - sp.) seems to have been credited to some extent by Mignolet. It's for these reasons that there has been a notable lack of calls from the Liverpool faithful for a new goalkeeper. Hopefully that is the 'new' Mignolet and there is no reversion. I'd still take Butland though.
 
We attacked a shit ton until the last two months of the season where we realized we'd fecked up Top 4 and focused on EL and tried to grind out results. Granted, we weren't as attacking as Liverpool but we created a ton of chances. I don't think you understand how awful we were at finishing, we would attack and put together some great moves but as soon as we got into the box we turned into fecking Middlesbrough :mad:

As soon as our opponents got into ours so did we.
 
Lmao, people are seriously talking down a team that outscored us and finished higher than us?? You'd think we'd won the league the way people are speaking on here...
 
Lmao, people are seriously talking down a team that outscored us and finished higher than us?? You'd think we'd won the league the way people are speaking on here...

Indeed, and we get called "deluded".
 
Is there anything more glib than fans squabbling over prices?

1. It's not your money
2. The market is insane - nobody can really define "value" right now
3. The finer points of a deal aren't really public knowledge so actual payment is unclear
4. Stop being accountants
 
So we've signed Salah. VVD has announced his undying love for us. We're trying to tempt Mbappe to choose us as the stepping stone club up to Real Madrid and Aubemayang has now come into the picture. Not to mention Keita who we would have chased and probably got if Liepzig were even remotely open to selling.

And I was laughed at when we got knocked out of both cups in January and I boldly stated we had our eyes on the (main) prize: a top four finish. Winning the Mickey Mouse and finishing outside top 4 would have seen us looking at Redmond, Sigurdsson, Defoe and Maguire this summer. Wooh! We had a real risk of being left decades behind the other top 4/5 clubs had we failed top 4 last season.
 
I'll tell you what is comedy gold? Comparing Mignolet to Lloris ha...you lot do live on another planet at times. Planet Delusion.
Lloris isn't the bees knees. Better than Mignolet but I find him less impressive than his press. Hasn't had the season of his career.
 
So we've signed Salah. VVD has announced his undying love for us. We're trying to tempt Mbappe to choose us as the stepping stone club up to Real Madrid and Aubemayang has now come into the picture. Not to mention Keita who we would have chased and probably got if Liepzig were even remotely open to selling.

And I was laughed at when we got knocked out of both cups in January and I boldly stated we had our eyes on the (main) prize: a top four finish. Winning the Mickey Mouse and finishing outside top 4 would have seen us looking at Redmond, Sigurdsson, Defoe and Maguire this summer. Wooh! We had a real risk of being left decades behind the other top 4/5 clubs had we failed top 4 last season.

:lol:

So now Liverpool fan/s are celebrating "we are linked with this player" trophy?
 
So we've signed Salah. VVD has announced his undying love for us. We're trying to tempt Mbappe to choose us as the stepping stone club up to Real Madrid and Aubemayang has now come into the picture. Not to mention Keita who we would have chased and probably got if Liepzig were even remotely open to selling.

And I was laughed at when we got knocked out of both cups in January and I boldly stated we had our eyes on the (main) prize: a top four finish. Winning the Mickey Mouse and finishing outside top 4 would have seen us looking at Redmond, Sigurdsson, Defoe and Maguire this summer. Wooh! We had a real risk of being left decades behind the other top 4/5 clubs had we failed top 4 last season.

You'd think Salah was Lionel Messi reading that :lol::lol:

Very bizarre post.
 
Lmao, people are seriously talking down a team that outscored us and finished higher than us?? You'd think we'd won the league the way people are speaking on here...

They were good up untill Xmas but after that everyone did their best to chuck top 4 away.

In the grand scheme of things they really weren't all that.
 
Christ this is really comedy gold ! Poor United, nobody understands us and everybody hates us ! Funny how supporters of every club feel the world is against them (except the ones that win the title).

As far as signing players from lower rated clubs - do you not know that 99% of the world's footballers all start at some club not called Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus or Barcelona ? Or Even Dortmund, Roma or Atletico for that matter.

Mignolet had an excellent second half of the season and improved massively. Almost certainly you are going by reputation and not your own eyes. Is he as good as De Gea ? No, of course not, but then no-one in the world is IMHO. Nor does he compare to Courtois. But compared to Bravo, Romero, Cech, or maybe even Loris who can also blow hot and cold, he's been just as consistent and is as good or better a shot-stopper. He's never going to be world class and I would like better (Butland) but he's not as crap as you are insinuating.

Mingolet better than Lloris, Cech and Romero :lol:

This is the guy Liverpool fans have wanted rid of for years.

You scraped top four as everyone else fecked up. Don't get delusions of grandeur.
 
They were good up untill Xmas but after that everyone did their best to chuck top 4 away.

In the grand scheme of things they really weren't all that.

They were still better than us throughout the season, 2 second-rate trophies and the worlds worst unbeaten run doesn't really change that. Despite this, everyone on here talks down their chances while we're apparently going to be a force next season according to some.