I like Matip and VVD would compliment him very well. TAS and Robertson made a good start as full backs and if they keep Coutinho and purchase Lemar, they will challenge for the title. Top 3 plus a domestic trophy is the minimum expectation should they keep Coutinho and sign the other 2.
Liverpool - 2017/18
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Buying Lemar (hence selling Coutinho).
They have a bigger chance to be successful in the champions league then they do in the premier league IMO. A cup competition with their attacking play, anything can happen, but they won't win the league or be serious contenders until they fix their defence. And it's not even a matter of personnel (or not completely that), it's the organization and tactics which need to change for them to get a solid defence. Not to mention getting a quality defensive mid.
Unless they drop out of every cup competition early doors, which is what they did last season when it, bizarrely, had an adverse affect on them (morale-sapping results, you'd think), they've got no hope of the league title. Klopp's 120km+ per game demands are not suited to 60+ games a season. Plus, they've got a circus-standard defence.
They are not winning the league this season.
Looking to be a brilliant window for Liverpool. Yes, the defence isn't sorted, but midfield and attack look to be downright fearsome.
They just challenged a couple of years back with a dodgy defence. They were one good result away from winning the league. And it's hardly as if they can't go out there and sign a good defender or two.
They'll still need a midfielder this season and next. Can is leaving in a year, isn't he?
Why do you think it won't happen? It's clear to me Monaco will accept a high offer. They have sold pretty much all their other stars, it would seem unfair towards Lemar to deny him specifically a move.
Stop being in denial. It's a very real possibility. An extremely depressing one at that. Elon Musk better hurry up with his plans to colonize Mars. If this vile lot win it, might be time to call it quits.
I agree, in the CL counter attacking teams always seem to do well and I think they'll get around the QF and face someone that exploits their weak defence.
I think Lovren and Moreno are caught out too much for them to be serious contenders. With how the game is played and teams having so many attacking outlets, it's too much for those to cope with.
Under a completely different manager, that set up a completely different way. Klopps pressing approach allows too much space between midfield and defence, allowing teams to directly run at their defence without protection at times, recipe for disaster.
It wasn't one good result they needed at all, they imploded big time that season. Again their defence let them down conceding 3 against Palace, those type of results are the difference between winning the league and not winning the league.
Yeah, a different manager who has not ever won a big league title, unlike Klopp, who despite this system which is a recipe for disaster has won big trophies before, which means he's even more capable of doing than the other fellow.
It was pretty much was one game. Had they beaten Chelsea they'd have won the league. At max you could argue it was two. Let's not sit here and pretend it was anything more than that. Liverpool came within a whisker of the title that year.
So the year after next year is their year?
As for 2014
Unluckily for them
They won't have moyes managing one of their top rivals this season
As for 2014
Unluckily for them
They won't have moyes managing one of their top rivals this season
Not necessarily, we're trying to fix his contract situation in order for him to stay. Seems like it's all about the £££ so I expect it to be resolved before it becomes a Sterling-like issue.
Like you say, so many of them have already left, they won't want to sell him as well especially this late in the window. I hope I'm wrong though.
Rodgers was manager when Liverpool came 'within a whisker away' from the title and then you completely right him off as a manager? Then go onto say Klopp could win it with Liverpool, whilst he's got top 4 just once under his time at Liverpool. The same Klopp than won the league with Dortmund and was sitting in the bottom half of the table with them also.
He isn't a proven trophy winning manager (he's won 5 trophies since he took over Dortmund in 2008) he has one plan tactics wise and when they get found out in games he doesn't have a plan B.
But it pretty much wasn't one game as they drew and lost other games that season, meaning the Chelsea game was a must win.
If Cahill hadn't been stupid in that first match I'd wager they'd have 9 points from 9 with their best player still missing.
About time that we take our glasses off and accept they will do a title challenge very soon.( not sure about this year)
Lemar, Keita Can is a brilliant midfield
Lemar, Keita Can is a brilliant midfield
Great post - as usual from what I've seen.
All 3 of the MF have some sort of all round game isn't it? Competitive, good athletes, decent engine etc. However, I'm still maintaining Can is a donkey regardless of any evidence that contradicts this,
. Played some great stuff.
Only a few days of transfer window left though? He must want to do something, surely?
If Liverpool had a bid accepted in a couple of days there's no way Deschamps would actually stop him going for a medical or whatever. He's a bit of a madman but he's not gonna be that unreasonable despite what he may have said.
Considering they haven't signed Lemar yet, and Can will be off on a free next season, you are worrying about a fantasy midfield trio that is likely never going to be seen. They've only signed 2 of their targets, one of which isn't turning up for another year, and may well sell their best player, yet suddenly we should accept they are title challengers?
Think people are jumping the gun a bit here.
Behave
But your 6th placed side.... you could definitely win it, right?
I have no idea why people say we can't win it. We can, but will we? Probably not. You guys probably thought you could win it when Moyes first took over and during the LvG reign so why is it so ridiculous to think we have a chance of winning it? I don't think we will but it's not impossible.
Yes, correct.
Let me see if I can get this right... because you are.... Manchester United. Am I doin it rite?
As with us, I think we won't know just what Liverpool is capable of until they are handling the ups and downs of a full season with a CL campaign.
IMO until you learn how to defend, I can't see you winning the title.
IMO until you learn how to defend, I can't see you winning the title.
No, because United have a better first team and a deeper squad - quality wise. They also have a better manager who has had a year to "get" the team.
Liverpool look good forward, but very very vulnerable defensively. This year they will also have to cope with CL.
I wanted Keita at Barca
If Liverpool can by any chance get VVD and Lemar too (in this transfer window or the next) and keep Coutinho, they will have a genuinely great team.
If Liverpool can by any chance get VVD and Lemar too (in this transfer window or the next) and keep Coutinho, they will have a genuinely great team.
Right. You became magically that much better when you exchanged your topscorer for another striker and... help me out here?
I am not ruling out that you can challenge. I just think it's stupid the way every summer united fans ignore everything that went wrong the previous seasons and assume they have leapfrogged most, if not all, of the teams that finished above them by default.
Won it 20 times so we can do it again
Trust me when I say - That means nothing.
Hey, it's not like he didn't try. :P
Seriously, if a Liverpool fan said that (with 18 times) we'd be called deluded.
That's true. But we came very close with Rodgers & Suarez, basically just one damn sliding boot away. IF and that's still a massive IF, we sign Lemar and VVD this window that's a huge improvement as a very strong midfield can help protect the defence (assuming Lemar will play in MF and not up front, though he's capable of playing in numerous positions).
I'm absolutely ecstatic re. Keita though, he's the one I wanted above all else .... even if it is next Summer, and who knows if RBL go out early in the CL then maybe an extra bonus could see him join early (as we tried to do with Origi when agreeing a similar deal).
Ahem..
I think you underestimate how much difference a year together can make - and it's not just Lukaku it's also Matic who seems to be the missing link in midfield - early days but he looks like a perfect fit.
Pogba is already showing that he looks more at home, Herrera (one of the players of the season last year) can't get a look in yet and should be raring to go, I expect Martial to contribute more this year, Mhki seems to be finding his feet and replicating his Dortmund numbers, defense looks very strong etc. There are many reasons to believe that United are significantly stronger this season.
I genuinely can't see Liverpool finishing ahead of United - but I'll eat my humble pie if I'm proven wrong! That said, Liverpool will comfortably finish in the top 4 with United, City and Chelsea.
It does to me.
Ahem..
I think you underestimate how much difference a year together can make - and it's not just Lukaku it's also Matic who seems to be the missing link in midfield - early days but he looks like a perfect fit.
Pogba is already showing that he looks more at home, Herrera (one of the players of the season last year) can't get a look in yet and should be raring to go, I expect Martial to contribute more this year, Mhki seems to be finding his feet and replicating his Dortmund numbers, defense looks very strong etc. There are many reasons to believe that United are significantly stronger this season.
I genuinely can't see Liverpool finishing ahead of United - but I'll eat my humble pie if I'm proven wrong! That said, Liverpool will comfortably finish in the top 4 with United, City and Chelsea.
Any team can say these things though. Can is finally delivering on his potential. Wijnaldum and Henderson have had a full premier league season in their new positions. Matip is adapted to the league now. Mignolet is less shit than he used to be. Firmino and Mane just keep getting better. Salah has added a new dimension to our attack. Sturridge looks like he might be fit this season. Klopp has had a full season of premier league football under his belt to suss teams out. We rolled over arsenal without needing Lallana or Coutinho. etc.
No one ever accounts for the bad things that are bound to be critical along the way to all but one team in the end.
Coutinho has definitely gone its all agreed behind the scenes exactly the same scenario as higuain to Juve before Pogba moved on they are trying to splash the cash now.
I'm surprised to see a lot of Liverpool fans think hes staying and they have got one over Barca, it couldn't be more obvious looking from the outside.
I'm surprised to see a lot of Liverpool fans think hes staying and they have got one over Barca, it couldn't be more obvious looking from the outside.
Yeah, he tried to help us score, but we were just shit
We'll just have to see!
Five of our last 7 PL games were clean sheets. We also did OK in pre-season even though conceding to Atletico but blanking Bayern. There are definitely still issues to combine our ability to defend with the attack but it seems Klopp is slowly getting them there. Of course a VVD (like) player at CB instead of Lovren would make a huge difference because our feck ups usually come from him or the LB area. Regardless though the 'Liverpool can't defend' is well over-done on this forum.