yes sure, tough to disagree with that, for me
fee looks a little bit high then, if my wiki figure is right
Liverpool - 2017/18
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yes sure, tough to disagree with that, for me
fee looks a little bit high then, if my wiki figure is right
Liverpool fans trying to push this myth that Ox is this all new improved player. Like feck has he been worth the £40 million so far.
Good post and I agree with it all. As for the bolded part, I believe Klopps stature and reputation for playing exciting football and making the most out of players abilites make us more competetive when it comes to transfers. I can’t imagine us being able to get a guy like Keita 3 years ago, for instance.
Love a cerebral argument. I’ll leave it there, as I said in my original post ‘that’s your opinion which is fair enough’.
It's haram. That is about as good as his posts get. Best put him on 'mute'
What you are saying sounds very plausible but I remember the interest from Klopp in AOC goes all the way back to early 2016, if not even before, as was mentioned in some papers at the time. I had a quick google search and found this ESPN article from March 2016 http://global.espn.com/football/soc...ool-monitoring-alex-oxlade-chamberlain-source
So it seems that Klopp has been genuinely convinced that AOC will strengthen the squad rather than looking for a quick fix.
Of course it’s about opinions. But on what basis has Ox lived up to his £35 million price tag? He scored against City?
He had a year left on his contract, £35 million was a hefty sum. He has had some terrible games as well.
He had a year left on his contract, £35 million was a hefty sum. He has had some terrible games as well.
The real question is, why does your offspring support Liverpool?
He was 23. Had 7 years PL experience. Came from a top4 rival. English international. He is versatile. And we needed him.
Look at the prices paid recently, and you will notice, that £35m gives you a squadplayer these days, unless you can reveal a gem. And that's exactly, what Ox is, a squadplayer. A pretty good versatile squadplayer imo.
He had a year (or 6 months actually?) left on his contract, you overpaid. He hasn't proven anything.
We don't really know if they've overpaid yet. I don't think one can judge a player after such a short amount of time. Regardless I'm sure Ox is happy to have left Arsenal. He is likelier to improve and shine in the Liverpool set up as it stands.
Any search of Liverpool’s Balance Sheets since the FSG tenure will show that no Dividends have been paid to any Directors of the Company so the owners haven’t taken a bob. In fact Balance Sheet 1 shows outstanding debt upon acquisition being paid off by those said same owners.
Its impossible to know what money is available but Klopp does not seem to have the funds of Mourinho. At least he has not spent that much anyway so the “massive amounts Klopp has thrown around lately” is less than all others in top 6. Since he arrived, Klopp’s net spend is 5£m while United’s is 50 times that in the same period. Only City exceeds United’s spend.
Hate to agree with you but when you talk both football and some sense, I will. In my opinion, we grossly overpaid; 1. For a player that had shown little at Arsenal & 2. Who had only a year left on contract.
He hasn’t done an awful lot to date to justify half that fee though has shown a little since Christmas.
Still not consistant and needs to show a hell of a lot more to consider himself to have a future at LFC.
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Andy Roberston is the best level three player in the league la.
There's plenty of evidence to the contrary. Dortmund, Athletico, Spurs, Juve are teams who do not have great spending power yet are some of the best European sides in recent years. We have more money than any of those clubs and are now attracting players like VVD and Keita whom have top class potential.
Even many of Manchester City's current bunch of stars (Sterling, Sane, Jesus, Ederson) were not considered the finished article before they signed. There's plenty to be said for shrewd recruitment and top class coaching.
Sides like Dortmund and Atletico had their moments but they did not become consistent winners.
Very well put, there’s far too much economic reductionism in football these days. It’s as if that is the only consideration and completely ignores all the subtleties, and ‘human factors’ that go in to assembling and managing a competitive squad.
If it really was just all down to cash flow and economic might, then every club other than the big five or six might as well give up. Also, football isn’t about linear progression always, there’s no guarantee that spending a huge amount will actually make your side better, sometimes it can make you less competitive.
It’s very easy to fall into this trap of reductive reasoning, but life (and football) are never that simple.
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They've both reached a higher level than any English club over the past 5 years (until City this year).
Yeah and City wont ever end up like the current Dormund.
Says who? They finished third last year and fourth the season before that, and until May have the same amount of league titles as them this decade.
Says anyone who can admit the truth.
Oh I´m not saying he was not on Klopp´s radar, just that Klopp would have waited another year and gotten him for free. Coutinho throwing a tantrum forced Liverpool into a deadline day buy, where you always pay a premium. They have mostly avoided this since Klopp is in charge, if I´m not mistaken.
Of those clubs you mention only Juventus really stand out as a viable example. They are the most successful club in the history of Italian football regardless of their spending power (which is hardly poor by any stretch of the imagination). Dortmund won the title a couple of times before Bayern took control once again, Atheltico have won 1 title in 30 years and Spurs haven't won a league title in 50 odd years.
Point being there will always be the odd exception to the rule (Leicester winning the league against insurmountable odds, the Czech Republic winning the Euros or Porto winning the CL for example) but the reality is, at least in the modern game, the club that generates the highest turnover tends to be the most successful. Of course by that logic, these richer clubs will rightly have their success measured against their wealth, so the demand to procure silverware is that much more prevalent.
You need only take a glance at the current top 10 richest football clubs (I cannot give you a link from this phone unfortunately) and their relative success for evidence to the fact.
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Perhaps for that extremely rare breed of footballer whom does not covet a large salary above all else, the brand of football on offer may play a part, but they are rare. Great finds when discovered though.
How does Liverpool's points total compare with this stage last season?
This is a genuine question by the way, not a prelude to a Liverpool are shit post.
This is a genuine question by the way, not a prelude to a Liverpool are shit post.
This time last season (after 28 games) we had 55 pts., so we’re 2 points better off this season, having scored 5 more goals and conceded 3 less.
Ok thanks.
Lots of people were saying it was a done deal as far back as may.
I’m not so sure really. Klopp likes to have business done early so if it was almost done deal, he’d have been in the door on July 1st. The fact that it was Aug. 31st suggest to me that it was a slightly quick fix/panic buy. With Coutinho’s departure very much in the balance and every possibility that if he did stay, the circus would start again in January, Klopp decided to move for Ox. And please dont start me on the farcical price!!
I’m not so sure really. Klopp likes to have business done early so if it was almost done deal, he’d have been in the door on July 1st. The fact that it was Aug. 31st suggest to me that it was a slightly quick fix/panic buy. With Coutinho’s departure very much in the balance and every possibility that if he did stay, the circus would start again in January, Klopp decided to move for Ox. And please dont start me on the farcical price!!
I think you’re both right. He was a target for us for a while but we might well have waited for him but for the Lallana injury and the Coutinho unrest. Also, Chelsea came in for him at the same time. The price was fairly steep for a player entering his final year but, Arsenal wanted to keep him and would probably have let him run down his contract, as they seem to have with half their side.
Personally, I was happy we were in for him at the time, and happy now he’s a Red. Always thought he was a player with huge potential who was stagnating a little.
On the price, I find it difficult to get wound up about £35m. It’s an average fee these days for a good player.
I think that he has a lot to prove before he can be considered to be a good player. He has improved under Klopp but I still feel that he has a long way to go. Can be good, at times very good but then goes missing so maybe its a case of concentration to enable him to be consistant. City game was by far his best, a couple of other good games but for the most part, pretty anonymous imho. Hoping for more but I will be surprised should he ever become a regular starter.
The defence has definitely improved. In the last 16 PL games we have only conceded 14 goals.
Definitely. 4 wins and a draw with a score of 13-3 in the five games since the Swansea defeat. Looking steady both ways at the moment.
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At the equivalent stage last season we had conceded 36 goals so we’re down 4 goals at this moment with 9 to play.
VVD and Karius have made a difference but too the departure of Coutinho from midfield. Of course he is a huge loss to us but, in truth, he offered little defensively from his midfield role. Not advocating that we should have 3 Henderson’s in there but, in a set up like ours with so many attacking, such a player as Coutinho would need our other 2 midfielders to be more box to box players like Keita. The problem now will be finding a Coutinho replacement and a Keita clone!!
Don't know where to post this.
Just listened to Xabi Alonso interview on radio, apparently his penalty in the Istanbul final was the first professional penalty of his career up to that point.
Just listened to Xabi Alonso interview on radio, apparently his penalty in the Istanbul final was the first professional penalty of his career up to that point.
Good work sir.The real question is, why does your offspring support Liverpool?
Apologies, I would have commented earlier but only just saw it
For the record, I don't think my dad is on this forum, as he can barely work a typewriter let alone a computer.
Liverpool owners are ready to spend to land the Premier League title, says manager Jurgen Klopp ahead of Manchester United clash
- Jurgen Klopp insists Liverpool will not flinch when it comes to spending big
- Liverpool are ready to go head-to-head with Man Utd for Napoli star Jorginho
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When was the last time he posted?