If we beat United at Anfield then I think we'll end up pulling away with Arsenal.
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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United coming to Anfield currently feels like a nailed on home win. Not a rout but a containing home win with United struggling.
However, it's a big game so United should turn up, so to speak.
However, it's a big game so United should turn up, so to speak.
We all know that when expectation kicks in Liverpool go to pot historically, this happens season after season from managers such as Souness,Evans,Houllier and the fat spanish water.I mean we can all parade around like a rolls Royce when the chips are down and everyone had written you off, point being once the glimmer of silverware is in sight, that house tumbles very quickly under the insane pressure from their over-expecting fans.
We will scrape 4th with the dippers falling apart in the home stretch
We will scrape 4th with the dippers falling apart in the home stretch
@Rafateria I like your working out and unfortunately agree with large amounts of it. However, do you not feel though that Liverpool's form is overstated, much like ours was?
Performances haven't been anyway near as good as the results. You've had huge fortune and scored 3 wonder goals in the last 2 games. You can't be banking on that to see you through. Palace, Besiktas x2, Bolton x2 and City were all struggling performances. Far from smooth and in all of these games, it could have easily gone the other way. Then there's the officiating farce that was Saints first half. You've not been playing well at all in comparison to last year. It's been hugely ignored because fortune has fallen on your side. How long will that continue and do you expect it to in the face of battling teams fighting for survival, a time we know produces freak results?
Performances haven't been anyway near as good as the results. You've had huge fortune and scored 3 wonder goals in the last 2 games. You can't be banking on that to see you through. Palace, Besiktas x2, Bolton x2 and City were all struggling performances. Far from smooth and in all of these games, it could have easily gone the other way. Then there's the officiating farce that was Saints first half. You've not been playing well at all in comparison to last year. It's been hugely ignored because fortune has fallen on your side. How long will that continue and do you expect it to in the face of battling teams fighting for survival, a time we know produces freak results?
For the Anfield match, What Would Fergie Do? If we're still ahead in the table, play for the 1-0.
Approach it like a European away, which is what City should have done. Sturridge is their only reliable finisher so Liverpool tend to struggle when they aren't allowed to create a boatload of chances.
Approach it like a European away, which is what City should have done. Sturridge is their only reliable finisher so Liverpool tend to struggle when they aren't allowed to create a boatload of chances.
I don't see the point of debating past individual games when discussing the rest of this season. I think it is more relevant to look at the team and it's progress. Luck has swung both ways and I think United have been far luckier overall than we have - but that still has no relevance to the rest of the season.
Since we switched to 3-4-3 we have steadily improved. Our league form since January has been amongst the best in Europe (of course I am excluding all CL/EL matches which are in complete contrast) and the best in the PL (United's is currently 5th over the past 10 games) with 8-3-0 since losing at OT. It isn't just the results though, it's that the new players that were being lambasted on here and elsewhere are now beginning to show their worth - 5 of them started against City for example. All of that was achieved without Sturridge. Now it is well known that Sturridge starts off slowly when he returns from injury, but that in itself bodes well for the final straight.
Of course form is a fickle thing, we may lose to Burnley and our confidence, on an absolute high at the moment, evaporate overnight. But if you look at Rodgers' record over the 2nd half of seasons at Liverpool (I posted the table above) then you will see that (not only Liverpool) his teams come on strong in the second half of seasons. I believe we will comfortably get Top 4 (and maybe even 3rd if we beat Arsenal) if we manage 7-2-2, however 6-3-2 or even 6-2-3 may even be enough for Top 4 when considering the form of other teams.
Liverpool have more individual scorers than any other team in the PL this season. No-one is prolific but anyone can score.
Cracking reply @Rafateria , very well addressed.
Cheers mate !
I think it all comes down to the head to head matches. We beat and you and arsenal and we'll get third or fourth, you beat us and arsenal and you'll get it, likewise arsenal.
I also think Liverpool's run in is massively underplayed. After the United game you have 5 away games including Arsenal, Stoke and Chelsea as well as relegation strugglers Hull and West Brom. Then you have your bogey team Crystal Palace at home.
Even if we were 3-4 points behind with our superior goal difference* heading into the last 3 games I'd still be pretty hopeful.
*another potentially key factor
Why are Palace our bogey team? Not sure in what decade their last win at Anfield was. Plus, Liverpool recently thoroughly outplayed them in the cup.
In the last 3 games you've convincingly lost one, drawn one and narrowly won one. I wouldn't say your record is dominant, put it that way.
We were the much better team in the FA Cup. Don't let the score fool you.
True, but it's not as if you're playing Norwich. You know as much as anything else that the media will be bigging it up as a potential banana skin if it's still neck and neck.
Sure but I believe we've been better with the chance conversion in the league. 24 goals off 134 chances created since Dec 1. Liverpool have 24 goals off 167 chances in that same time.
That actually surprised me, that the two teams have the same goals scored and virtually the same goals allowed during that time (11 us / 12 you). Not sure what it all means, but interesting to know!
Regardless of what it means ... I love stats
There seems to be an assumption that United will struggle in their big games, while others will fare okay.
While Liverpool have an easier run-in than United, they still have to go away to Arsenal and Chelsea before the season's end.
It's going to be close. Liverpool possibly marginal faves as things stand because they're only two points behind United with us to come at Anfield, but they have to win that. If United win the next two and escape with a draw at Anfield, confidence will swing back our way.
I have taken a number of screenshots from the past page or two - there's a lot of crowing in here that I hope to shove back down Scouse throats at the end of the season!
While Liverpool have an easier run-in than United, they still have to go away to Arsenal and Chelsea before the season's end.
It's going to be close. Liverpool possibly marginal faves as things stand because they're only two points behind United with us to come at Anfield, but they have to win that. If United win the next two and escape with a draw at Anfield, confidence will swing back our way.
I have taken a number of screenshots from the past page or two - there's a lot of crowing in here that I hope to shove back down Scouse throats at the end of the season!
Superb highlights reel of Lallana's silky skills vs City :
Highlights reel vs City showing how Allen can dominate midfield if you give him the space, maybe his best game for us :
What goes around comes around, I remember early season
Though TBH I also don't think 'realistic assessment' can be considered crowing, it's not denigration. Of course United and 'Pool fans are never going to agree on what is a fair and realistic assessment even though we may both consider our respective judgements to be unbiased !
Did you do this back in November when Rodgers was being roundly cast a fraudulent moron?
I dont know who ild rather see make it really. My head says Liverpool purely on the basis that I would be more worried about United becoming strong again, whereas Liverpool I feel will always be the also rans. My heart says United because I loved the title races we had between 04 and 11, and also so that we can have a less embarrassing team in Europe.
Considering 'pool just gave you the title I thought you'd probably feel better if they got something for doing you a big favour. I enjoyed our title races with Chelsea though, would like to be on your level again
With Chelsea in Europe I don't think any other club can embarrass this country any further. Do you? How are your fans doing on trains by the way? Getting better?
One more sleep before the inevitable, dreaded, oh no, away game for Utd. And they quietly slip into 5th (AKA, Southampton, Spurs, West Ham).
I think Rob was on about his team not the fans being an embarressment mate . When it comes to fans in Europe then Liverpools history is hardly admirable .
How would the team be an embarrassment? Do we have John Terry playing for us?
If you're on about winning/losing then Liverpool are the holders of the European Cup 5 times. Haven't said that in a while and now seemed apt.
Careful old chap. Before you start slinging mud as holier than thou, some of us have long long memories about Scouses and their history of unacceptable behaviour in Europe....
Performance wise. His point, which you're voluntarily pretending to not understand, is that apart for Utd and Chelsea, English teams don't perform well in Europe.How would the team be an embarrassment? Do we have John Terry playing for us?
If you're on about winning/losing then Liverpool are the holders of the European Cup 5 times. Haven't said that in a while and now seemed apt.
Liverpool have a good history in Europe, but haven't been competitive in the competition for a while. That's all he's pointing out.
Liverpool have had one poor season in Europe and all of a sudden it's an embarrassment. Hardly typical.
Nice of him to point it out. Nice little ivory tower.
United's record in Europe historically has been that good?
I'm not commenting on what he's saying, I'm just pointing out that his point his fairly obvious, and I don't see why you guys don't just address it rather than talking about the fans or the fact you've won it 5 times la. That's voluntarily missing the point when there's probably stuff to be said.
Ok, I'll address it directly. There's nothing more embarrassing in European and World football than corruption. Blatter being the worst. Clubs like Monaco, PSG, City and Chelsea have taken that corruption to a whole new level of 'embarrassment'.
To see Chelsea in Europe for yet another season is not only embarrassing, its sickening. But that's the world we live in now. However, its nice of a Chelsea fan, who I gather isn't that old, to be coming on here talking about 'embarrassment'.
Again, check my last response to PR and Dumbstar. I'm pointing out what Rob was talking about, not commenting on it (cos I don't really see the point).
But yeah, under Ferguson our record in Europe was quite good, apart from that freak season when we were knocked out in the groups, and shit in Europa. Especially after 2005, I felt he understood the competition quite well and knew how to navigate it pretty astutely, but we probably should've won at least one more title, probably a couple. Under Moyes, nothing impressive about us and it remains to be seen if we can get back into the competition under Van Gaal (and I believe we'll be okay in it with him, though of course it's just a prediction).
Even Moyes got out of the group stage ffs .
Sounds about right. Though I think we can still nab fourth at the expense of Arsenal
How did you do last time you were in Champions League? I know it's been a while but surely you can remember
Um. Two things.
First, I can't think of anything I'd enjoy more than seeing a rival side massively embarrassed in Europe. Well, I can. But you know what I mean. So if you're really saying that you want a "less embarrassing" side to compete for England in Europe? Well, you're a mystery to me.
Second, I have a feeling that next season we'll do much better in the Champions League. We won't be losing one of the very best players in the world at the end of the season and we won't - I hope - be bringing in a whole bunch of new players and relying on them to perform immediately.
Now we have a decent squad and Origi on the way, we should be focusing on one or two areas - like a replacement for Steven Gerrard and maybe a goalkeeper - and then maybe sign up a bunch of younger players who can be given a year to bed into the club before we expect anything from them. Maybe we could even loan them all out and start running a Young Player Investment Company like certain other clubs.