Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense

[BorisontheRock]

All of you lined up to tell us how

Yeah, Suarez was less effective in the second half of the season apparently, also sterling was the real impact player and it was all down to brentan! He made Liverpool second.

Plus they've improved their defence and added Lallana, so it's a case of Suarez who!!

 

[Richard Cranium]

All of you lined up to tell us how

Never thought I'd strongly agree with something Peter said but, this.

 

[peterstorey]

Never thought I'd strongly agree with something Peter said but, this.

You can add that to the 'other big fan delusion is that Man Utd walk back into top 4'.

 

[Dumbstar]

You can add that to the 'other big fan delusion is that Man Utd walk back into top 4'.

Never thought I'd strongly agree with something Peter said, but this.

 

[Dumbstar]

All of you lined up to tell us how

No, all of us did not line up to slap it into you one by one Airplane style.

All of us DID respond to the constant "you're fcked, he's gone" remarks with reasoned arguments of the players we were bringing in.

There's a difference.

 

[Richard Cranium]

You can add that to the 'other big fan delusion is that Man Utd walk back into top 4'.

I agree. However, when we do come knocking it may very well be for your prized fourth place.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

This is a side story I'm not liking so far. I really hope Sterling plays no part or very little against Basle on Wednesday. Its a nice to win game but not an absolute must win. Draw would be handy.

Lallana and Balotelli on the other hand need game upon game asap to get their 'preseason' match sharpness going. Balotelli seems to like CL football so hopefully another goal about now would be good.

On Saturday Balotelli can rest and we can expose West Brom to Sturridge and Sterling up front. SAS is back.

Why do you want us to rest the only player who's actually pulled their weight with Sturridge out? We missed our chance to do that when Rodgers stupidly played him against Boro.

Now he has to play, at least until Sturridge is back starting. Think you're underestimating Basle and/or ignoring how bad our recent form has been.

 

[Nikhil]

Well that's not wholly true, there are lots of reasons to man mark a player, he doesn't need to be the best player, In fact Gerrard may be marked as he is the weakness in the back line. I actually think the tactics behind marking Gerrard is that Gerrard underpins Liverpools strategy, the ball goes through Gerrard (like a quarterback) so pressure Gerrard and he'll misplay the ball or lose possession nulling Liverpools attack

Or he might slip and fall on his arse.

 

[PickledRed]

Why do you want us to rest the only player who's actually pulled their weight with Sturridge out? We missed our chance to do that when Rodgers stupidly played him against Boro.

Now he has to play, at least until Sturridge is back starting. Think you're underestimating Basle and/or ignoring how bad our recent form has been.

That implies that Sterling has been the only one trying. In fact, it's more to do with the fact that he's the only member of the front line who was here last season, whereas the other two (Lallana & Balotelli) are finding their feet. I don't see effort being an issue from the new players - just te ability to adapt fully.

On the other point, Iagree that Sterling should start tomorrow. He's a class act and it's a tough away CL game.

 

[vidal7]

I feel liverpool are just one big injury to sturridge away from being completely fecked. They looks directionless without suarez. He created alot of the space that sterling, sturridge and henderson exploited. One of sterling and sturridge in the team and teams seem to be easily stopping them, both of them and it becomes a problem. I think liverpool's season will depend on the fact how many games they can get out of both of these playing together.If they can play 25 +games in the league together i see liverpool challenging for top 4, if not they will be an insignificant 5th or below.

What is happening with sakho going AWOL before the game?

 

[Dumbstar]

Why do you want us to rest the only player who's actually pulled their weight with Sturridge out? We missed our chance to do that when Rodgers stupidly played him against Boro.

Now he has to play, at least until Sturridge is back starting. Think you're underestimating Basle and/or ignoring how bad our recent form has been.

Sterling has been covering for a lot of players still acclimatising. He's done a sterling job (pun intended) and now we can afford to start thinking about the season being a 9 month affair rather than only the next game.

Basle are not easy and I never said they were. But we have to start picking games where other players have to be trusted, now that they look ready. Boro and Ludo were too soon, Basle is about right.

 

[thegregster]

How the fcuk are you supposed to cope with Suarez going? How? You tell me!

Ask your fellow fans. Lots on here were telling us they would still be title contenders. To be fair you were the only one admitting a title challenge wasnt going to happen.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

That implies that Sterling has been the only one trying. In fact, it's more to do with the fact that he's the only member of the front line who was here last season, whereas the other two (Lallana & Balotelli) are finding their feet. I don't see effort being an issue from the new players - just te ability to adapt fully.

On the other point, Iagree that Sterling should start tomorrow. He's a class act and it's a tough away CL game.

Nah, I agree with that. Just didn't mean the phrase the way you've interpreted it, effort hasn't really been a problem - it's just that Sterling is the only one playing at his best out of our attacking options (though Lallana improved at the weekend).

 

[Zoo]

Sakho has been left out of the squad travelling to Switzerland.

 

[Stick]

Suarez is gone pal, you're not coping.

Early doors yet young peter.

 

[Stick]

Sakho has been left out of the squad travelling to Switzerland.

Fair enough. He threw his toys out on Saturday after playing pretty poorly the last few games. He should have just sat with the squad and watched the game instead of making it all about him.

 

[DJ Jeff]

Sakho is fecking dreadful anyway. At least Lovren has at least some hope of clawing his game up to an acceptable level.

 

[Burrow]

Have to think that Liverpool will back and be a contender for the top 4 this season as well. I dont mind Brenton as much as plenty of the posters on this site, but surely it has to be a slight worry that he doesnt seem to have a plan B (no Sturridge) or plan C (Gerrard being closed down) ? Just a suggestion, as it seem to be a major reason for the poor results so far this season.

 

[Stick]

Have to think that Liverpool will back and be a contender for the top 4 this season as well. I dont mind Brenton as much as plenty of the posters on this site, but surely it has to be a slight worry that he doesnt seem to have a plan B (no Sturridge) or plan C (Gerrard being closed down) ? Just a suggestion, as it seem to be a major reason for the poor results so far this season.

To be fair with 3 new players in a back 4 and a couple of new midfielders it was always going to be a rough start if sturridge picked up a knock. That said I'm not impressed with Gerard or Mignolet who are both lads that should be pushing on an inexperienced side. I think Mignolet needs to have competition and Valdes would offer that if we can sign him. Gerard for me hasn't recovered since the Ba incident and had a poor world cup. I hope he can push on from his goal last week but I would start using him less and in big games much like United used scholes near the end. It can be great having a legend come on from the bench at home when you're chasing a game too to up the ante and bring the crowd onside. I'd definitely start playing can or rossiter more too.

 

[johnny boy]

Ask your fellow fans. Lots on here were telling us they would still be title contenders. To be fair you were the only one admitting a title challenge wasnt going to happen.

Not really, most of us were saying the same thing that we lost a world class player but last season our squad and depth were weak and that it was too early to say how we would do this season based upon the new players that had arrived.

On the face of it we are struggling a little, but have had several injuries and lots of new players still bedding it.
It's still too early to say.

I felt before the season started we would challenge for top 4 and we still can.

 

[Shark]

Not really, most of us were saying the same thing that we lost a world class player but last season our squad and depth were weak and that it was too early to say how we would do this season based upon the new players that had arrived.

On the face of it we are struggling a little, but have had several injuries and lots of new players still bedding it.
It's still too early to say.

I felt before the season started we would challenge for top 4 and we still can.

Do you think these players that have yet to 'bed in' will improve you though? I'm not being funny, but almost every team around the top four have far more quality that's yet to bed in. In fact the likes of Fabregas, Costa, Sanchez, Di Maria and Herrera are already performing. I don't see how you guys are going to keep up in the long run personally. All you've added is depth and have declined as a team.

 

[johnny boy]

Do you think these players that have yet to 'bed in' will improve you though? I'm not being funny, but almost every team around the top four have far more quality that's yet to bed in. In fact the likes of Fabregas, Costa, Sanchez, Di Maria and Herrera are already performing. I don't see how you guys are going to keep up in the long run personally. All you've added is depth and have declined as a team.

You could argue we have changed too much too soon - as an example 6 new players in the team that played at the weekend.
But partially down to injuries. It does feel slightly weird at the moment in that last season we had a small squad but a settled team with pretty much no options on the bench, whereas in theory we now have that strength in depth, but have not had a settled team so far this season.

I would say Moreno, Lovren and Lallana will be very good players for us. Markovic hasn't shown much but we need to give him time, he is only 20.
Manquillo has looked ok to be fair and will only get better.
Balotelli it's hard to say. Lambert has hardly played. Can looked good in pre-season then got injured on international duty.

I think there is an argument Chelsea have signed ready made quality that has already made an impact , and we have signed potential.

If you had asked me when the transfer window closed I would have said we did well, after all the manager pretty much got everyone he went for.
But yes whether we should have signed 1 top class player instead of say the potential of say Markovic/Manquillo and Can. It's a sound argument as things stand.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

We have the superior players to Liverpool, even last season we did. There's a possibility they could prove to be a flash in the pan. Balotelli will never lead a title challenge, nor will Sturridge in my opinion. Gerrard's on his last legs and while they've purchased some good players and some shite players, none are great.

 

[gasmanc]

How the fcuk are you supposed to cope with Suarez going? How? You tell me!

Feck me, the penny's dropped has it.

 

[gasmanc]

We have the superior players to Liverpool, even last season we did. There's a possibility they could prove to be a flash in the pan. Balotelli will never lead a title challenge, nor will Sturridge in my opinion. Gerrard's on his last legs and while they've purchased some good players and some shite players, none are great.

United have purchased some fecking great players, ADM is more than any of us could have hoped but the surprises have been Herrera and Blind, looking like excellent aquisitions so far.
We won't 'walk back into top four' as Storey put it but we won't go far away, everyone around us looks shite so far and our attack at least looks hugely improved, our major concern is the treatment table if you ask me.

 

[Deleted member 78215]

To be honest, who gets in the top four out of Arsenal, Liverpool and United, at this stage, is anyone's guess. That being said, I'll be shocked if United and Arsenal aren't the two filling in 3 and 4, in no particular order.

 

[Dumbstar]

To be honest, who gets in the top four out of Arsenal, Liverpool and United, at this stage, is anyone's guess. That being said, I'll be shocked if United and Arsenal aren't the two filling in 3 and 4, in no particular order.

Didn't we hear EXatlY the same thing this time last year? I mean eeeexactly the same thing?

Oh but it's different now. Honest guv.

 

[acnumber9]

Didn't we hear EXatlY the same thing this time last year? I mean eeeexactly the same thing?

Oh but it's different now. Honest guv.

Yeah. One of those teams lost their best player. Things do tend to change when that happens.

 

[AltiUn]

Didn't we hear EXatlY the same thing this time last year? I mean eeeexactly the same thing?

Oh but it's different now. Honest guv.

Maybe so but you look significantly weaker than last year, top four's obviously still a possibility, and it would only take one or two injuries for United to drop into the 8th-5th bracket, same with Arsenal who get embarrassingly overrated every season when they're just lucky they never have any real competition for 4th.

 

[Deleted member 78215]

Didn't we hear EXatlY the same thing this time last year? I mean eeeexactly the same thing?

Oh but it's different now. Honest guv.

Well we've added ADM, Herrera, Falcao, Shaw, Blind and you've lost your best player. I'd say the odds are in our favour somewhat.

 

[Shark]

Didn't we hear EXatlY the same thing this time last year? I mean eeeexactly the same thing?

Oh but it's different now. Honest guv.

Have you been sleeping under a rock for the entire transfer window? one in which the best player in the league left Liverpool and a host of superstars joined their rivals while they signed 'potential' and Southampton shite.

It's very different now.

 

[Thisistheone]

Actually that doesn't follow. You don't track a DM because he's a weak link, you track him to deny him possession, because of what he can do with that possession, to try to negate that danger - Lambert actually said exactly that, he wanted Agbonlahor to deny Gerrard time and space to make Liverpool tick. If you want to take advantage of a DM as a weak link you target the space he is leaving behind him with midfielders running into that space (which is in fact Gerrard's weakness) not just close him down.

of course you target a DM if he's a weak link. By putting a man on him, Gerrard suddenly struggles and looks about 50. You could try the same tactic with Busquets and he'd cope with it. As Bobbymanc mentioned, Scholes could still come in now and be a danger if he was given the space and time but if he did, the opposition would instantly put a man on him because he then offers nothing else. Nothing defensively or going forward. A liability, a weak link. As is Gerrard.

I'll be happy if he keeps knocking in the odd pen and free-kick though if it means a man of the match award and a sustained run in the side and masking his true performance level. That's good news for your rivals.

 

[Stick]

Well we've added ADM, Herrera, Falcao, Shaw, Blind and you've lost your best player. I'd say the odds are in our favour somewhat.

Yeah I have to say the players you mention are quality. I think we'll both improve though but it will take longer for our players to gel at the back and learn to play together. I'd say a mixed October is coming.

 

[AltiUn]

Yeah I have to say the players you mention are quality. I think we'll both improve though but it will take longer for our players to gel at the back and learn to play together. I'd say a mixed October is coming.

Both teams should be at their best by January and the second half of the season I think we'll see both sides steamrolling a couple of opposition teams, a lot of players need to gel in both teams and United will probably get a defender and a midfielder or two in January whereas Liverpool may have a look for some players too, either way second half of the season will be fun I reckon.

 

[Dumbstar]

Yeah. One of those teams lost their best player. Things do tend to change when that happens.

But we were shit even with that 6-game-banned racist biting cnut. Remember? Your words (not you personally, collectively). No way would a biter and a David Brent impressionist get top 6. No way.

At This Point Last Season you were saying eeeeexactly the same thing. Don't deny it. Don't revise it.

 

[AltiUn]

But we were shit even with that 6-game-banned racist biting cnut. Remember? Your words (not you personally, collectively). No way would a biter and a David Brent impressionist get top 6. No way.

At This Point Last Season you were saying eeeeexactly the same thing. Don't deny it. Don't revise it.

You're being very salty tonight, Dumbstar!

 

[KiD MoYeS]

But we were shit even with that 6-game-banned racist biting cnut. Remember? Your words (not you personally, collectively). No way would a biter and a David Brent impressionist get top 6. No way.

At This Point Last Season you were saying eeeeexactly the same thing. Don't deny it. Don't revise it.

Not true at all, you were excellent last season and many of us, myself included, were worried. I had accepted that you'd win the league and was dreading the summer. Thankfully I was wrong though, eh? I'm still wary of Liverpool, they've a manageable next few games, in contrast to our run of tough fixtures. But I do think that it is obvious this early on we won't see the same Liverpool as last season, I'm hoping it proved to be a flash in the pan.

 

[Bwuk]

Liverpool were always going to struggle this year. They lost the man who brought the fight and passion into that side.

 

[Dumbstar]

Liverpool were always going to struggle this year. They lost the man who brought the fight and passion into that side.

And we've all acknowledged that. I even calculated that acknowledgement into points (i.e. we'd be at least 12 points lighter losing him).

Man Utd were always going to struggle without a holding mid and a whole waft of defenders. Patch up jobs just don't work in the long run. So how much we lose out and how much net gain Utd have made still doesn't make up what you lot are hoping/dreaming/praying/deluded for.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

And we've all acknowledged that. I even calculated that acknowledgement into points (i.e. we'd be at least 12 points lighter losing him).

Man Utd were always going to struggle without a holding mid and a whole waft of defenders. Patch up jobs just don't work in the long run. So how much we lose out and how much net gain Utd have made still doesn't make up what you lot are hoping/dreaming/praying/deluded for.

We're hoping for a top four finish, it's pretty feasible, no?