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The cost!!
Why are you arsed
The cost!!
Ajax are committing Daylight robbery at this prices.So we should have signed Sinisterra? What’s your point
Im not going to lie, I am a bit surprised at how eager ETH is getting players from Ajax. He’s playing it safe in regards to transfers as in he’s sticking to what he is familiar with;
whilst I was hoping he had a more structured plan in place. My only criticism so far as I do think he’s the right man for the job. But surely to god there must be better/cheaper options out there than Antony/ Martinez for those positions? Maybe he does not trust our scouts… I personally prefer pau Torres for that position but I didn’t manage either players so ya….. there is that.
Aren't you?Why are you arsed
Aren't you?
You don't complain about the way united pay for players, transfer fee and wages? Never?
This is utter bullshit.2 bloody players. Maybe Ajax is the one damaging their legacy by selling half their bloody team but stonewalling one of their most successful managers of all time as he is trying to prove himself post Ajax. IMO Ajax are looking like the bad ones in this situation, he did amazing things for that club, and then he gave them one more season and they knew he would be leaving. They had to know he wanted a couple players, they should have basically made an agreement with him when he was leaving, look, will give you a couple players at a fair price before we whore ourselves out to the rest of Europe.
It's weird behaviour too, Ajax want people who leave their club to be successful, it's what makes them successful. Ten Hag or United royally pissed off Ajax, it's the only thing that makes sense.
Daylight robbery for Brian Brobbey is next.Ajax are committing Daylight robbery at this prices.
This would be like the spending on Maguire and AWB.It is what it is. We’ve cleared out lots from the squad already. There’s money and wages to spend. So what.
I think alot of people, me included, trust Ten Hag and his judgement - until proven otherwise.This would be like the spending on Maguire and AWB.
If everyone is fine with that then good, but don't make his performance thread toxic in the future.
What truly changed their fate was what they did in subsequent seasons, but in Klopp and Edwards first full season as head coach and Sporting director, they targeted players Klopp was mostly familiar with, that were either from the Austrian/German Bundesliga or associated to one of the countries. So I can only make the comparison with Liverpool from the summer of 2016, and with us in the current window.
And from what I know, it's not easy for players to understand the requirements of vertical positional play and it takes time to implement. So it's wise to sign players who do understand the concept which would in theory speed up the coaching process on the training ground for players who aren't familiar with zonal and positional control.
He's got surprisingly good stats in the air, pretty similar to Maguire in fact. He really doesn't seem to have too many flaws.
This would be like the spending on Maguire and AWB.
If everyone is fine with that then good, but don't make his performance thread toxic in the future.
Just go back to the old Maguire transfer thread you'll realize we rate the new player every yearSo you rate Antony and Martinez the same as Maguire and AWB? Interesting
Should be adequate vs all the minnows in the Europa/Conference leagueHe's tiny and slow.
What could go wrong?
Actually it's you who has been unable to comprehend here. You made a statement and I added something else to it.Read again, you missed the point. I meant tapping players up before to lower any fees. Not signing players out of our limit.
Check this vid already posted, at 1:25, 2:37 and 5:30 he gets annihilated for pace.
I haven't seen enough of him to give a true judgement and it is quite likely I am overreacting to an off game (where he may have been carrying a knock for all I know) but still those moments are worrying.
I have not watched a lot of Ajax but that gets me more worried about Ten Haag then Martinez tbh. That's a ridiculous high line they are employing with someone like Blind and they are so open for breaks. Something like that is what Leeds do in the PL and they get anhilated.
Do you ever post without whinging? You certainly haven’t todayLeeds signed Feyenoord colombian winger Sinisterra, 23 for £21m pounds.
23 goals and 14 assist in all comp.
Where as United would double that for Martinez and even more for Antony![]()
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Thats the name of the game. 75% of the time it helps you dominate the game, others you get broken and let in chances.I have not watched a lot of Ajax but that gets me more worried about Ten Haag then Martinez tbh. That's a ridiculous high line they are employing with someone like Blind and they are so open for breaks. Something like that is what Leeds do in the PL and they get anhilated.
We just signed their star LB for 13m mate. Maybe Feyenoord just give fair prices.Leeds signed Feyenoord colombian winger Sinisterra, 23 for £21m pounds.
23 goals and 14 assist in all comp.
Where as United would double that for Martinez and even more for Antony![]()
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Klopp joined Liverpool in October 2015 and his first summer window, was the summer of 2016. And Liverpool's transfer budget wasn't anywhere close to ours, so Klopp targeted players he was familiar with. And those players were mostly low risk punts from Germany, with the exception of Sadio Mane who was a Klopp signing, and he (Mane) was well versed in Klopp's heavy metal football approach from his time with RedBull Salzburg.The bolded part is the bit I disagree with.
Klopp joined after the 15/16 started and wasn't around for the summer transfer window then. They had a typical, mediocre Liverpool-like window where they signed Ings, Clyne, Firmino, Benteke, Milner, Joe Gomez. Klopp almost had an entire season to evaluate the squad. I believe they were still moneyballing it then even if Edwards wasn't officially the sporting director. He had been working since basically FSG took over.
16/17 (Klopp's first full season): They got Mane, Matip, Wijnaldum and some random Bundesliga players who had no impact on the Pool season. This was the season where they scored a bucketload of goals and ended up conceding a lot as well. I'd argue the Bundesliga players had no relevance to this, it was just Klopp's coaching and signings outside the Bundesliga. In fact I remember Matip being trolled pretty hard that season. Their starting XI then:
Mignolet, Clyne, Matip, Lovren, Milner (LB), Can, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Mane, Firmino, Coutinho.
Maybe you can call Mane a Klopp signing but not anyone else in that list.
100% agree with this which is why I think we've had a discussion on if Rangnick can achieve anything as an interim given he doesn't employ positional play himself and if the Rangnick -> Ten Hag transition would be smooth. Even when Rangnick was appointed, Ten Hag was heavily linked to the permanent United job.
Anyway, Ralf imploded for unrelated reasons so we'll never find out the answer to that question.
So I’m not making valid points then? Or what are you trying to say?He's only in the place 5 minutes.
Im not going to lie, I am a bit surprised at how eager ETH is getting players from Ajax. He’s playing it safe in regards to transfers as in he’s sticking to what he is familiar with;
whilst I was hoping he had a more structured plan in place. My only criticism so far as I do think he’s the right man for the job. But surely to god there must be better/cheaper options out there than Antony/ Martinez for those positions? Maybe he does not trust our scouts… I personally prefer pau Torres for that position but I didn’t manage either players so ya….. there is that.
Sack Fergie sell GiggsI wonder what your reaction od Fergie would have been when he lost isolated games? Where his teams were poor.
Absolutely.
Next summer when the squad knows him, his style and gameplan it'll be alot easiere to bring in new players into an already well-integrated squad. Maybe even from a league other than the Dutch.
Everything about this pre season so far is very moyes'esque, unproven manager at a big club that seems to want to play it safe with recruiting players from his old club who are asking for silly prices (fellaini, baines), new director taking over (woodward), most high profile player wants out with Chelse being linked (rooney), chasing a high profile midfielder that would prefer to be playing for Barca (fabregas).
It’s hard to see at this point and I hope I am proved wrong completely. I think in general it’s on ETH, whether he can setup the team and manage the game properly against different types of opponents in EPL. There will be a learning curve. I equally hope our fan base not immediately call our players crap after every negative result.I’m fairly certain that after one season, Martinez will be deemed the best CB currently at the club. I’m 100% certain no one will ever say he’s slow by then
Other than him ofcourse being proven at a big club and this not being Murthough's first summer.Everything about this pre season so far is very moyes'esque, unproven manager at a big club that seems to want to play it safe with recruiting players from his old club who are asking for silly prices (fellaini, baines), new director taking over (woodward), most high profile player wants out with Chelse being linked (rooney), chasing a high profile midfielder that would prefer to be playing for Barca (fabregas).
A very ignorant and lazy postEverything about this pre season so far is very moyes'esque, unproven manager at a big club that seems to want to play it safe with recruiting players from his old club who are asking for silly prices (fellaini, baines), new director taking over (woodward), most high profile player wants out with Chelse being linked (rooney), chasing a high profile midfielder that would prefer to be playing for Barca (fabregas).
We are closer to Villa, Hammers and Newcastle if we fail to buy 2-3 starting players. Unless ETH can work some real magic with McFred, Martial, Maguire and Rashford. I cannot believe that we are going on a tour 4 weeks from the season starting and we have McFred and Garner as CM.I think there is a good chance we could finish 7th again as well if we don’t have good window.
A very ignorant and lazy post
Personally, I have been so scarred by all the managers working at Utd that I don't trust anyone from the go anymore. Just wait and seeI think alot of people, me included, trust Ten Hag and his judgement - until proven otherwise.
Of course its wrong.Not really wrong though is it.
The difference is ETH is a top tier CL quality manager chasing CL quality players that he used to work with. Whereas Moyes was a midtable no mark.
Check this vid already posted, at 1:25, 2:37 and 5:30 he gets annihilated for pace.
I haven't seen enough of him to give a true judgement and it is quite likely I am overreacting to an off game (where he may have been carrying a knock for all I know) but still those moments are worrying.
This is utter bullshit.
For one this Ten Hag damaging his legacy is being taken out of proportion a bit. I saw the video where Mike Verweij (tier 1 Ajax journalist) mentioned this. By the way he worded it, to me it did sound much more his opinion than Ajax officials feeling this way.
It is however becoming a more mutual feeling within the fanbase. You can say he has signed 0 players. But the fact is he first tried Timber, then when it didn't work he goes after Martinez and unless media are making everything up, he is also going after Antony. This eventhough Ajax have stated it doesnt want to sell Antony and Martinez and he should know this himself as well.
Ten Hag should treat Ajax with respect and not go after all Ajax players and unsettling them, whilst he knows the club does not want to sell these players. And then if you really feel like you need (one of) these players, at least pay up the requested fee to make Ajax sell a player against its will.
Suggesting Ajax should let its most valuable players go for cheap because Ten Hag wants them is one if the most ridiculous things I've ever read.
Nevertheless, the sentiment is ruining his credits within Ajax applies to a part of the fanbase. I don't think this is a feeling that lives within the management.
Never thought of it that way. Interesting to see/hope it doesnt follow the same path all the way.Everything about this pre season so far is very moyes'esque, unproven manager at a big club that seems to want to play it safe with recruiting players from his old club who are asking for silly prices (fellaini, baines), new director taking over (woodward), most high profile player wants out with Chelse being linked (rooney), chasing a high profile midfielder that would prefer to be playing for Barca (fabregas).