He'll end up playing his majority at left back covering for Luke Shaw's lame ass if he comes here.
Lisandro Martinez | Signs for United
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Interesting.
I get the impression that Timber is good enough on the ball to play DM too.
Wonder if either of them would possibly be more likely in that role eventually.
Both seem to be very versatile, and obviously know ETH's style.
Ideal if you have a limited budget.
If Ten Hag wants him then I want him. Simple.
He’s the first manager I really feel will get players to fit his system rather than the other way around
He’s the first manager I really feel will get players to fit his system rather than the other way around
I suspect we won't be getting Antony this summer anyway, his price doesn't sound feasible at the moment. We do need to be getting some attacking reinforcements in though.
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Makes sense!
Opposition players are routinely breaking through them with longer balls though, hence the absurd argument it’s part of Liverpools strategy since it happens so frequently
I have always mentioned i like Martinez mentality more than Timber.
Martinez is a true leader and fighter. A guy that will go infront for the team. Maybe reason why even his low height. He is winning duels?Because of his aggresiveness and fighting mentality?
He is aggresive without the ball...BUT...composure with the ball on his feets.
His diagonal long passes from the left side to a quick, skill and sharp RW Raphinha. Can be a deadly weapon when it comes to counter attack.
Timber is better skillful in small area and space. But mentality, character and winning mentality. I think at this moment. I rate Martinez over Timber.
And United do a similiar young upcoming CB in Teden Mengi. Fast in the first metres plus good with the ball. I think under Ten Hag Mengi and United shall develop him to a CB that can make a good run forward with the ball. Physically Mengi has the same attributes as Timber. But maybe Timber is better with the ball then Mengi. But under the coaching of Ten Hag, total football and pass and movement football. If Mengi keeps working hard and have the right focus. He will turn into the category of Timber CB than Martinez.
Martinez avg passes during a match is up there with Van Dijk 85-90 and same complete passes around 90%. It tell you that he is a key factor behind Ajax and Ten Hag last season football style. Dictate and spread the passes around. Both short and long passes. And over 90 % completed passed. He is up there with Van Dijk and the best.
Martinez is a true leader and fighter. A guy that will go infront for the team. Maybe reason why even his low height. He is winning duels?Because of his aggresiveness and fighting mentality?
He is aggresive without the ball...BUT...composure with the ball on his feets.
His diagonal long passes from the left side to a quick, skill and sharp RW Raphinha. Can be a deadly weapon when it comes to counter attack.
Timber is better skillful in small area and space. But mentality, character and winning mentality. I think at this moment. I rate Martinez over Timber.
And United do a similiar young upcoming CB in Teden Mengi. Fast in the first metres plus good with the ball. I think under Ten Hag Mengi and United shall develop him to a CB that can make a good run forward with the ball. Physically Mengi has the same attributes as Timber. But maybe Timber is better with the ball then Mengi. But under the coaching of Ten Hag, total football and pass and movement football. If Mengi keeps working hard and have the right focus. He will turn into the category of Timber CB than Martinez.
Martinez avg passes during a match is up there with Van Dijk 85-90 and same complete passes around 90%. It tell you that he is a key factor behind Ajax and Ten Hag last season football style. Dictate and spread the passes around. Both short and long passes. And over 90 % completed passed. He is up there with Van Dijk and the best.
He's a midget, hard pass.
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You could argue that it would happen even more if he didn't do so.
Informative post, thanks.
Even he is small. You don't bully with this guy. A true leader and he will goes upfront for the team.
In competition world. Hate to loose can be a good thing = it mean you want to win a lot. High winning mentality, guts and hunger.
His mentality and character is why i would choose him over Timber. Martinez has consistent winning mentality. No mood player.
In competition world. Hate to loose can be a good thing = it mean you want to win a lot. High winning mentality, guts and hunger.
His mentality and character is why i would choose him over Timber. Martinez has consistent winning mentality. No mood player.
Ten Hag will be well aware of his potential limitations in relation to height and aerially. I will depend if he sees his passing, aggression, and ball-playing ability as a positive that outweighs that negative.
The guy was our POTY and is absolutely class. Hope we can keep him.
No one knows his United usual formation obviously!
If he can play DM to a standard as well as he plays CB, a midfield 3 of Martinez / De Jong / Eriksen would be pretty interesting.
I was obviously asking about his usual formation in his managerial career up to now.
Would be a better signing than Timber imo. Better age to impact quickly, proven to be super versatile and effective in multiple needed positions, looks a terrific player and by all accounts has a great mentality.
The height thing is a negative for CBs innevitably, but judging by the stats he seems to do reasonably well. No player is perfect afterall, and I reckon he'd be a very good get.
The height thing is a negative for CBs innevitably, but judging by the stats he seems to do reasonably well. No player is perfect afterall, and I reckon he'd be a very good get.
does he play DM regularly enough to be considered there?
Apparently he can but didn't play there at all last season. I'm always cautious of that kind of argument but perhaps he genuinely is a solid utility player. I hope we arent giving up on timber though as feel he has a much higher ceiling.
Hence my caveat in the post! I don’t know how well he can, it was more just a thought that came to mind, as I just don’t want to see be seeing McTominay start in midfield ever again, and Fred cannot play that deeper position well enough.
Do you rate him over Timber? If so, why?
I'd only be comfortable with him in a back three in the Prem. That's why Arteta apparently wants him.
Its only against City and Liverpool United will sit back and press back to defend.
Chelsea under Tuchel concentrate most with defending. Same with Conte and counterattack in Son, Kane and Kulesevski.
Against most of teams in premier. United shall dominate and dictate the ball most of the time. His precise short and long passes is needed here too at Old Trafford.
Ten Hag has to find a really good and top RW to receive his long diagonal passes. Raphinha, Sancho and Antony whoever on same level or above.
Tadic ----> to Haller relation
Martinez ----> long diagonal pass to RW
Bruno/Eriksen ----> diagonal passes from right to left winger in Rashford/Ronaldo
Bissaka - Varane/Maguire - Martinez - Shaw/Malacia
Raphinha/Sancho - Bruno/Eriksen - Fred/Garner - De Jong - Rashford + Ronaldo/Rashford/Bruno
Double RA on the wings and wide side in Raphinha and Rashford. Super fast and skill ful with high sharp level. Always ready to receive long trough ball for counter attack.
A hard team to beat and at the same time have really good and dangerous counter attack weapon. Are crucial.
Chelsea, Real Madrid, Liverpool and City are based on it. A strong solid defend, but at the same time have super fast and skill ful players upfront in the attack. In Mane and Salah. City in Mahrez, Sterling and Foden.
Beside Martinez. Having Rashford and Raphinha will give United that attacking dimension as Liverpool and City. City and Liverpool will press United to defend. But at the same time they will be aware of United counter attack in Rashford, Raphinha and Sancho.
Having Martinez quick and precise long passes can and will be a dangerous weapon. Same for Bruno pass foot to the left side.
Chelsea under Tuchel concentrate most with defending. Same with Conte and counterattack in Son, Kane and Kulesevski.
Against most of teams in premier. United shall dominate and dictate the ball most of the time. His precise short and long passes is needed here too at Old Trafford.
Ten Hag has to find a really good and top RW to receive his long diagonal passes. Raphinha, Sancho and Antony whoever on same level or above.
Tadic ----> to Haller relation
Martinez ----> long diagonal pass to RW
Bruno/Eriksen ----> diagonal passes from right to left winger in Rashford/Ronaldo
Bissaka - Varane/Maguire - Martinez - Shaw/Malacia
Raphinha/Sancho - Bruno/Eriksen - Fred/Garner - De Jong - Rashford + Ronaldo/Rashford/Bruno
Double RA on the wings and wide side in Raphinha and Rashford. Super fast and skill ful with high sharp level. Always ready to receive long trough ball for counter attack.
A hard team to beat and at the same time have really good and dangerous counter attack weapon. Are crucial.
Chelsea, Real Madrid, Liverpool and City are based on it. A strong solid defend, but at the same time have super fast and skill ful players upfront in the attack. In Mane and Salah. City in Mahrez, Sterling and Foden.
Beside Martinez. Having Rashford and Raphinha will give United that attacking dimension as Liverpool and City. City and Liverpool will press United to defend. But at the same time they will be aware of United counter attack in Rashford, Raphinha and Sancho.
Having Martinez quick and precise long passes can and will be a dangerous weapon. Same for Bruno pass foot to the left side.
Didn't we claim that was Blind's strength too?
I remember there was a time when Martinez played DM and Alvarez (their current DM) played CB, for an extended spell.
Can we just sign a CB over 6ft please, thanks.
Timber apparently declined Utd because he wasn't guaranteed minutes. That wouldn't be the case if he was being targeted primarily for DM.
Hence if Martinez joins he'll probably play as a CB.
Hence if Martinez joins he'll probably play as a CB.
Timber has a higher ceiling, he will be one of the best CB's in the world in a couple of years time.
Martinez is entering his prime. He's a very complete player which can be placed in numerous positions. I can see him being the DM when FdJ joins.
He brings a winning mentality to the team and he's very comfortable on the ball. His height hasn't been a problem in the CL games at all.
Great player if he signs for you.
O btw, the guy has an amazing long distance pass and he pocketed Haaland and Nunez in the CL games.
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Don't think that is necessarily true as Martinez has played a season in DM before being moved to CB.
The Ajax fans on reddit that have watched him regularly all say he'd be wasted as a DM and much better as a CB
I think his point is Klopp knows (as does everyone) that the easiest way to bypass a press is to go long and so he has to have 2 rapid/aerially strong CBs and a sweeper keeper to mitigate that. It’s not that Liverpool strategise for that as if they want it but they know that’s how many teams will play because their press is so good.
If your opposition ends up having no option but to lump the ball forwards to a target man or runners on the counter, you’ve got a good press.
I do agree with this. Hes much better as a CB. He can play the DM role comfortably but he shines as a CB. With Varane his injury record he wont be a bad signing at all.
We wont let him go below 45/50 million Euro in my opinion.
His best season and talent came from as CB.
Although I prefer Timber as he is younger but this guy is left footed. Pefect to play him as LCB alongside Varane as RCB.
Martinez was a central midfielder for the whole of his debut Ajax season (2019/20), I think.
He's been a CB ever since, though.
Does anyone feel we are going after him because Pau Torres is turning out to be too expensive
I guess we’ll have to pay Barcelona a few million more than what we had hoped.
Also Arsenal being in for him has forced our hand to move now.
Trying to figure out if we would have been in for a left footed CB regardless of Timber saying yes or no. And now that Timber has said no, Ajax would be more open to selling him.
I guess we’ll have to pay Barcelona a few million more than what we had hoped.
Also Arsenal being in for him has forced our hand to move now.
Trying to figure out if we would have been in for a left footed CB regardless of Timber saying yes or no. And now that Timber has said no, Ajax would be more open to selling him.
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