How about against Champions league quality CFs?
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That stonewall penalty brainfart aside, I thought he was decent. Maguire looked better alongside him too.
Trainwreck of a post.
He really should play as a DM, perfect for that role.
Him, eriksen and Fred in a midfield 3 makes a lot of sense in my head
Him, eriksen and Fred in a midfield 3 makes a lot of sense in my head
I think I was watching a different game. Wellbeck had no joy with him.
Is it the commentator opinion we are relaying here or what actually saw with our own eyes.
Is it the commentator opinion we are relaying here or what actually saw with our own eyes.
It was only a stonewall penalty on Planet Carragher. They've already established that chucking yourself over after a nudge in the back isn't a foul this season.
Fred had to crawl on all fours to recover the ball in the first half after being shoved down and no foul was given.
Maguire literally already marking a man who is also a threat is not the one at fault for that goal. Needs to be better communication between both of them to pick up the runner, yeah, but you’re description of what happened is just not factual. Maguire was protecting against the cut back on the cross.
Yeah you don’t deserve a response. Sorry.
The problem was that it shouldn't have been Maguire "playing him onside". It should have been Martinez as he should have dropped as soon as Welbeck made the run across him. But because he reacted late Welbeck ended up in a very dangerous area. But like I said in my initial post, I will take this as a learning point for Martinez and move on...
Fred? Really? After that?
Your average Premier League striker is taller and more physically strong than the rest of Europe.
He has some strengths but not being able to deal with a direct ball to Gross is concerning
Yes he played against both Nunez and Halaand just fine
I said top strikers. Not TALL strikers. His issue is not just the height (if it is his issue), but a lack of strength due to his size, which might add up. Wellbeck targeted him today, and Maguire can't go around picking up moving strikers who will have a game plan to target Martinez. And, if you think Maguire HAS to pick up a stronger or taller striker, then we have the issue I am talking about in the first place.
Not an auspicious start but way to soon to judge, definitely has nice ability on the ball and would probably look a whole lot better paired with Varane. I am reassured by how woeful Vidic and Evra looked on debut, he can easily step up once he gets used to the PL.
Learned quickly from his mistakes in the first half. Seems to have a good mentality as well. I think he'll be fine.
Probably could have just slotted him into the DM position for the moment to be honest.
He'll be fine I think.
Probably could have just slotted him into the DM position for the moment to be honest.
He'll be fine I think.
Why would you need to do that if you can play him offside? Its Maguire who got caught square and took himself out of getting back with his body positioning stopping dead. Thats on him at that point
He is an actual ball playing centerback. Leagues above Maguire and Lindelof in terms of passing the ball when he needs to. He doesn't have that habit of holding on to it needlessly which is great.
Hard to tell how his actual defending is based on that 1 game. Can't really fault him for either goal and I think a lot of our problems today stemmed from McFred and Dalot being unable to control a ball or pass it properly.
Hard to tell how his actual defending is based on that 1 game. Can't really fault him for either goal and I think a lot of our problems today stemmed from McFred and Dalot being unable to control a ball or pass it properly.
So we bought Lindelöf again...
Rojo was better
I don't think he will be rubbish in general. But about the examples above, does he play against them regularly? One or two off performances means nothing.
I am sure we can surely bring up some rubbish defenders from Spanish league when they kept the like of Messi and Ronaldo at their peaks quiet in some games to prove that kind of point.
It’s on Dalot for not closing the angle and pressuring the ball. Watch it again - what in the name of feck is he doing?
Might have been handy to do that in pre-season, really.
Again, I hope you are right. (And obviously I mean you are right in believing that it is 50 million well spent, that will improve our defence.)
Where's the logic in criticizing Rashford and Dalot in a thread dedicated to Martinez' performances?
He's a new signing and it will take time. He's got that on his side compared to other players in the squad, who have already been given chance after chance. I'm sure he will work out well for us. The players in front of him are the ones who need sorting out.
I can see him eventually pushed into DM
Shocking debut. Almost Evra bad. You can see the potential but he had a horrible time of it. Only positive is he somehow got away with an absolutely nailed on penalty. My head would be exploding if VAR denied United a penalty in the same situation.
Its on lots of players including the winger and DMs not coming back to help Shaw when the ball goes across, but Maguire sits himself stopping his movement dead in the exact spot that just about plays Welbeck onside. By doing that he has no chance of then getting back to running and helping Lisandro and all of the game is behind him.Theres no excuse for his part in the goal either.
He would get away with it if he was half a yard forward and playing Welbeck offside. He must have thought he was doing that. He got it wrong
Maguire isn't going to man mark the number 9 is he? They will all drift to our left side so they are up against Martinez.
Off the top of my head Michael Antonio, Callum Wilson, Chris Wood, Mateta, Toney, Mitrovic, Haaland, Nunez, Watkins, Kane, Bamford, Raul Jimenez, Calvert-Lewin are all over 6ft and physically strong.
They will absolutely dominate him in the air.
It's his first match so I'm happy to cut him some slack but he genuinely did look like he was struggling with the physicality of Welbeck today.
He had some good moments, both defensively and on the ball, but equally looked quite shaky at times and was lucky not to have conceded a penalty.
He had some good moments, both defensively and on the ball, but equally looked quite shaky at times and was lucky not to have conceded a penalty.
Ok...so who are the tall strikers that are going to give him problems because of their height?
I thought that was a decent debut, they guy definitely has serious potential.
When they drift wide how is height an advantage?
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The suggestion that certain defender should mark a nine in itself tells you that we have an abnormal issue.
I thought he looked good, trouble is he needs prime Varane next to him.
He and Maguire were good. Central defenders is not an issue. Varane and Lindelöf would have been good as well.
We concede due to our central midfield and DDG being a goalsline keeper.
We concede due to our central midfield and DDG being a goalsline keeper.
Yeah, I am surprised not many talked about it. Wellbeck had a better game on him in general, I thought.
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