Love him. Him and Varane could be as good as the best I think, obviously need a more settled core throughout, but my panick attacks are gone when opposition attack us
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To shut up the lindelof fanboy troll
For anyone wondering why maguire gets slated when he has a "good" game just watch the difference when martinez came on. Thats how ETH wants/needs CBs to play. You could just see the old Ole Ball speed from the past CBs weve had. Thats why i wanted the club to be proactive for a change and sell Maguire when teams prob wouldve paid decent money and bring in players who can play like he wants them to.
Probably the most childish thing I’ve seen on this forum.
For some reason it is not allowed to post anything that isn’t super super positive about Martinez. If one does, you will punish that person by posting a clip of Lindelof not covering a cross or whatever. Makes sense. Well done.
@GifLord : Lindelof failed to cover a cross around 53:00 and the cross went in to the box.
Another really good performance last night. He can't be expected to account for the fact that the referees would punish him for not being a double amputee, and both his build-up and defensive play were top notch.
Not undermining the guy as he is good on the ball and I'm a big fan of what he brings to the team, but looking good on the ball as a centreback is a lot easier than looking good on the ball as a midfielder. There's a reason you often see solid but unremarkable (on the ball) holding midfielders repurposed as mobile, ball-playing centre backs and not a great deal of movement the other way.
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Lindelof has always been poor as FB. He is too slow and doesn’t have the offensive qualities that are required for a FB. He is also not good at defending crosses.
Moving him to RB almost cost us a goal.
As we all agree that it was a ridiculous decision i think your take is really weird. It‘s like criticizing a striker that he was too close to the offside line and because of that the referee made the wrong decision and flagged offside when in reality the timing was fine and the ref just fecked up.
He can be blamed for the header he underjumped which gave them the only other good chance. But not for a terrible decision of the ref where he actually was the reason that it was only a corner instead of a goal a few seconds ago as the cross that led to the corner was very good and he cleared it really good. Then blocked the shot well.
He's what any supporter wants to see from their defenders. Pure passion, determination and will put his head where most others won't put their feet.
He did well to get there but the positon of his torso may have contributed to the outcome. There's probably a bit of room there for interpretation that his arm was in an unnatural position. It's unlucky but I think if he'd have stayed on his feet the end result might have been better. In my mind it was a questionable choice. Unfortunately defenders don't always have the luxury of time to make a reasonable assesment of the situation. AS I said, the team looked really disorganized in that moment and this probably influenced him to charge out like that. I;m not saying he's crap for doing it. Things like this should be expected from a player with his mentality but perhaps it is an area he can improve on.
I don't think he under jumped for that header, he just missed it and likely did enough that their striker couldn't make contact either. From what I saw he jumped higher than the RS player.
He’s a fantastic signing. Absolute bargain at the price.
Its a completely natural position for any person throwing themselves to the floor. You will see it in any combat sport. You dont just fall towards the floor with your arms behind your back, they are in position so as he falls to the ground he can use his arms to soften the landing particularly to make sure his head doesnt bounce off the floor and give him a concussion. In this instance he used his right arm to balance himself and not fully fall onto his hip as he came down sideways. He successfully protected himself. His left arm is down, not extended outwards to block the shot. In fact without the ball first deflecting off his body it wouldnt have been possible to hit his arm. So that just goes to show its a completely natural position and not extended for an advantage.
He did turn his head from the ball. This also meant he couldnt have known where the ball was flying to stop it on purpose even if it hadnt come off his body first.
All in all any suggestion that he shouldnt have his arms where they are just shows a complete lack of knowledge of how to protect yourself from a fall
Yep, incredible that no one else besides arsenal was in for him, he'll make a great pep defender.
He reminds me of Sergio Ramos probably more than anyone else I’ve ever seen. It’s as about as glowing praise as I can give any defender basically.
When you get someone like that. A true leader. You keep hold of them. Imagine trying to replace him right now? Apart from Haaland and Lewa this could be the third best transfer of the summer for any club.
When you get someone like that. A true leader. You keep hold of them. Imagine trying to replace him right now? Apart from Haaland and Lewa this could be the third best transfer of the summer for any club.
The Rio Ferdinand midfield experiment being a great example of why we see the latter so rarely. It’s not really about quality on the ball so much as being able to have a mental map of what’s going on around you. At centre back the whole game plays out in front of you. A luxury that central midfielders don’t have.
I have doubts originally. Now, all the doubts completely shift to Casmiro and Antony. They probably should be ok in a month.
feck off I'm in no way suggesting he falls with his hands behind his back.What I'm saying is that his form when he went to ground left the interpretation open to give the penalty and maybe that's something for him to think about.
Easily my favourite Man United player.
What I'm saying is that his form when he went to ground left the interpretation open to give the penalty and maybe that's something for him to think about.
Sure, next time he'll dive without his hands cushioning his hip (in this case) or head (if he turned fully, which he was prepared for)
Out with concussion or hip surgery is a much better result
@GifLord
Clip of 55min onwards of this moment Lindelof getting toasted by getting all square and flat flooted. Martinez makes a brilliant last second interception and then subsequently concedes the corner, which lead to the penalty.
Also clip from 63 mins of Lindelof hands behind back 'blocking' a cross; there's also a closer angle at 64 mins. Thanks!
How else does one dive to block the shot from the direction it was coming from?
He attempted to block it the same way he’s done it a few times in the league so far. He couldn’t account for a stupid VAR decision.
I think I understand what you're saying and in some cases I agree that staying big is the preferably choice but I think you may want to look at the sequence again.
@GifLord penalty incident from end of 55min when the corner is taken. Thanks.
Martinez steps out, then rushes to the front post to block off the low cross. Considering it's Ronaldo in front of him also defending the front post, I'd say it was a good decision to do this. Look at the rest of his team mates as no one else is alert to the danger of the space around the penalty spot. Martinez rushes out to close the angle for the far post.
It's an incredibly harsh take. Also I'd take my chances with Martinez taking this approach because he has blocked many shots in all previous games this way. I've not exaggerating when it's been at least one or two every game; proper last second blocks that would have been shots on target etc.
Could he has taken a different approach, yes. To say it's 'rash' though is wrong imo as he chose to be proactive rather than reactive and in that sequence of play in real time, it made total sense for him to close down like that. It's slightly reminiscent of Carrick closing down Robben against Bayern, except Martinez got to the ball and got massively penalised.
The reality of that whole situation is that we were stretched from their set piece and nobody for our team was in a good position to defend 1 on 1 close to each other. It started with Lindelof getting rinsed on the wing with Martinez making the last second interception and then also being the one to blocking the shot.
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Penalty or not, when he came on the pitch it became immediately obvious how Lindelof and especially Maguire are too slow and immobile for the modern game.
His passing is amazing.
Huh? His passing takes him beyond Lindelolf and Maguire in terms of abilities.
Again, not suggesting any of that but keep at it, it's very entertaining.
Attempt the block without diving in (but moving toward the ball before someone suggests VVD again).
Fair assesment. We might consider parts of it differently. I'm not blaming him for the penalty but his apppraoch left it open to interpretation. It's not a stupid outcome like Pogba jumping to block a free kick with his hands above his head and giving away a penalty but there's a lack of control in diving in and it increases the risk of things going wrong, which includes poor refereeing. As you say, he needed to be proactive because everyone was out of position.
That's extremely debatable, Lindelgod is actually very very good on the ball, and Maguire is pretty decent when it comes to distribution as long as he isn't under pressure.
Lindelof is not that good on the ball. Has an occasional hollywood pass but rarely passes quick in between the lines.
It was interesting, because the player was Alexander Sørloth, Norway’s by far best aerial threat since Jostein Flo, the man who got a pass named after him in the 1998 world cup (The Flo Pass, normally hit by Liverpool’s Stig Inge Bjørnebye). Sørloth is tall, strong, has a good jump and precise headers as his main force. There was no coincidence in the fact that he constantly drifted over towards Lisandro Martinez for duels. He got that one header, where he was disturbed just enough. Apart from that, Martinez handled him expertly.
Debatable? Lindelolf and Maguire are decent passers and aren't bad at it or anything but Martinez is an amazing passer. There is clearly a gap between their passing abilities.
Lindelolf isn't bad on the ball either and his passing is pretty decent and I'd even say good. It's just him and Maguire are slow on the ball and execute slowly which often lead to all passing lanes covered.
Martinez is quicker and much more precise in his passing. He's also simply a better passer overall be it his range(short passing, long), execution or speed. He's clearly a level above.
Yes, Martinez is excellent in that aspect.
No, he's very good on the ball.
He lacks urgency and intensity, which is why he doesn't pass quick as you state.
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Why is this myth still peddled around. Lindelof is technically comfortable and pleasing on the eye. He passes well enough but he's not 'very' good at all.
The bolded bit is exactly why he's poor at it. No point having all the technical ability if you won't actually impose yourself on the game by being proactive and progressive with your passing. He's very good if football was played hypothetically and on paper. It also explains his defending.
No Lindelof isn't very good on the ball. Just above-average in the PL perhaps. But he seldom does very useful things with the ball. Before Maguire's form went to crap, it was always Maguire that carried the ball forwards for us either by his carries/dribbling or passing.
But his passes to Rashford every 3 months are simply amazing. Wonderful long passes.
But his passes to Rashford every 3 months are simply amazing. Wonderful long passes.
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