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yeah in the final third when trying to beat men/create openings. I didn't see him give it away in a position that could damage his team. Even when he does give it away he tracks back and puts in a challenge or commits a foul.

The opposition were relegation battlers and were not good enough to damage his team (hardly a Porto or a Villa).

Also, as a team they attack better and track back/tackle better. How many times has Carrick made a run into the box compared to Xavi ? How many chances has he created compared to Xavi ? If all the attacking is left to our forwards, the midfielders are expected to cover and tackle. Its just that our central midfield isn't great at either creating chances or covering the defense. When Fletcher doesn't play, the work rate is also missing.
 
Why does this Vijay bloke call everybody else as Ronaldo Fanboi's. Isn't he a Messi FanBoi? :lol: (Stop creaming about the pre season match against Juventus by Messi lol. Ronaldo did the same to Man Utd and got signed by United at a similar age)

In other news, Messi is probably going to be man marked by the pacy Michael Mancienne. The Argentine wonderboy's ego must get a massive boost. :D
 
The opposition were relegation battlers and were not good enough to damage his team (hardly a Porto or a Villa).

Also, as a team they attack better and track back/tackle better. How many times has Carrick made a run into the box compared to Xavi ? How many chances has he created compared to Xavi ? If all the attacking is left to our forwards, the midfielders are expected to cover and tackle. Its just that our central midfield isn't great at either creating chances or covering the defense. When Fletcher doesn't play, the work rate is also missing.


I wasn't comparing barca to anyone, just stating parts of Messi's play that stand out. He harries defenders, forces mistakes and will win the ball for his team a number of times in a match. He only gives the ball away in the final third when trying to make it happen, every attacking player in the world will give it away countless times in a match when trying to thread a needle pass or burst through a tight defense. Messi still manages these things more than any other player in the world but he still gives it away, usually when crowded by 2-3-4 defenders and even then sometimes he will leave them for dead.

Getafe are a good footballing side, deserved a result in the Bernabau last night and even missed a penalty and a last minute goal to lose 3-2. I didn't watch the match but all accounts point to them playing very well and being unfortunate.

Spain is a strange league in that the bottom team can beat the top because every team play football and have quality. Last season Zaragoza got relegated and this year Espanyol could do the same, despite having obvious quality.
 
Lionel Messi: A legend in the making
At just 21-years-old the Barcelona superstar, who faces Chelsea on Tuesday, is destined to become one of the all-time greats
Man of destiny: Barcelona player Lionel Messi is on the road to becoming one of the greatest of all footballers

John Carlin

Here’s a not too debatable list of the great players around today: Steven Gerrard, Fernando Torres, Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney, Kaka. And here are some recent greats: Ronaldinho, Zinedane Zidane, Luis Figo, the Brazilian Ronaldo.

Who’s missing? Lionel Messi. Why? Because he is not in the same category, because he belongs in another, altogether more exclusive list. Messi is more than merely great, in the rather promiscuous, diminished sense that we use the word when we talk football; he is sensational. After two decades of waiting, a new Messiah (as he is known in Barcelona) has arrived, a player worthy of standing alongside Diego Maradona and Pelé, two natural-born geniuses, in a class of their own.

Big words, big claim. But wait until the two Champions League semi-final games between Chelsea and Barcelona are over in 10 days’ time and ask the three defenders, poor souls, that Guus Hiddink will instruct to cluster around the Argentinian when he receives the ball (fewer than three, Hiddink must surely know by now, is suicide); ask the Chelsea fans (whether their team reaches the final or not, for football outcomes are capricious), ask the hundreds of millions of television-watching neutrals around the world and they will all have come around by then to what everybody in Spain already knows, as seasoned football insiders everywhere know, that Messi is not just the best player in the world, he is, at 21 years old, a step away from taking his place in a new trinity of historical greats.

Who are these seasoned insiders? Try these: Fabio Capello, Alfredo di Stefano, Marco van Basten, Maradona himself and Jorge Valdano, a World Cup winner alongside Maradona, whose talent he venerates. Try every player at Barcelona, including Thierry Henry, who has been around, seen a bit and has a pretty high opinion (entirely justified) of his own footballing merits too.
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Yet on the subject of Messi, Henry is humility itself. For the Frenchman, who played on many occasions with Zidane, it is silly even to ask whether his Argentine teammate is better than, say, Cristiano Ronaldo. “I have played with a lot of players but Leo is something unique,” Henry said recently. “Leo does things only he knows how to do. The only person I have seen do such things is Maradona.”

Henry paused after saying that, as if sensing he was stepping into sacrilegious terrain. He took stock, weighed his words, pondered their possible effect on his young friend, and then continued: “Look, I . . . I don’t want to put pressure on Leo but, well . . . you have to say it: he seems a lot like Maradona.”

When you talk to Messi [as I have twice] he is even more excruciatingly timid and inexpressive than David Beckham was at the same age. There, all similarity with England’s best-known individual since Princess Diana ends. Beckham leads two lives in parallel, celebrity and football player. The ball is Messi’s only means of expression. He concentrates every atom in his being on the pitch; off it he is a shadow. Carlos Bilardo, the coach who won the 1986 World Cup with Argentina, has said of him: “If you were to do an X-ray of his body, you’d see a round object attached to the end of his foot.”

Look at his body from the outside and you see no earrings, no tattoos, no fancy shoes or shirts. People close to him say he hates to draw attention to himself and is as unlikely ever to buy a Ferrari as are his old neighbours in the working-class district of Rosario, a dull industrial city 200 miles north of Buenos Aires, where he was born. (He drives, for the record, an Audi 4x4 supplied by his club.)

Small as a child (they nicknamed him “la pulga”, the flea), he began playing team games at the age of four, usually with children two years older than himself. His grandmother took him along the first time, having seen that in or out of the house he spent every waking moment obsessively, almost autistically, with a ball by his side – which is what they said about Maradona when he was small. Despite Messi’s tiny build, he instantly became the star of his team and has remained as such to this day, in what every expert in Spain (not excluding the Real Madrid coach, Juande Ramos) regards as the best Barcelona team in history. He arrived at the club in 2001, aged 13, partly because of the inability of his Argentine club, Newell’s Old Boys, to find the money for the growth hormone vaccination treatment (daily for three years) that he badly needed.

As Messi told me in an interview a year and a half ago, the Barcelona football philosophy, drummed into the players at youth level, suited him to perfection. It is all about what they call “loving the ball”. The club’s investment in him, which involved putting up his family in Barcelona and paying his father, a former steelworker, a salary, proved astute in the 2004 pre-season, when he made his debut at Camp Nou against Juventus. “That,” Messi told me, with an extraordinarily unusual flash of pride, “was the day when people got to know who I was.”

Ronaldinho was there, at his peak, but Messi was the game’s outstanding player. Capello, then manager of the Italian club, said afterwards, “Where did that ‘diavolo’ [devil] come from?” The game has probably never seen a more electric dribbler, one who has played at a faster pace with the ball so close to his feet. His football brain is as fast as his feet, and both are faster than those of any defender he has ever faced. On top of that, the lethal advantage he has over those who mark him is that his control is such that, as he runs with the ball, his eyes are scanning the horizon, computing the position of every player over an angle of 180 degrees. Hence his eye for the impeccably weighted and directed killer pass.

And then there are his goals: that replica of Maradona’s classic against England at Mexico 1986 in a Spanish cup game two years ago; his hat-trick against Real Madrid at Camp Nou in the same season; a goal for Argentina against Mexico in July 2007, a diagonal lob over the goalkeeper running at full speed that was so implausibly perfect the Argentina coach at the time, Alfio Basile, suggested the stadium should be closed down, for they would never see anything like it again.

This season, Messi – who tackles back, is uncomplainingly brave in the face of terrible punishment and has scored 33 goals so far – has flowered into the complete footballer. Alfredo di Stefano, who was precisely that in Real Madrid’s heroic age, said this of him recently: “He is No 1 because he plays and makes others play; he creates and he finishes.”

Consider these official Uefa statistics from the current Champions League. He is the top scorer in the competition with eight goals and he is third equal in assists, of which he has made four. Ronaldo, who has played 83 minutes more, has scored twice, with one assist. Messi’s ratio of goals to shots is one in three; Ronaldo’s, one in 25. “The two of them are great players,” said Capello in February, “but nobody in the world has the talent that Messi has.”

Messi, the England manager added, “is Maradona’s successor”. Last month he went further. “Messi does things that others don’t even think about. Every era has its superstar, like Pelé or Maradona, and Messi can be the superstar of the next decade.”

Van Basten, Milan’s former Dutch goalscoring sensation, has recently declared that Messi is “the world’s greatest talent”. Messi’s Barcelona teammate, the Cameroonian Samuel Eto’o, is Europe’s top goalscorer this season. Recently, he was heard asking the little Argentinian at a post-game press gathering: “Leo, why are you so good?” Then Eto’o, who is no shrinking violet when describing his own talent, told reporters: “He does things no one has ever done before. He is the new Maradona. He is a player who makes us dream.”

What does Maradona himself, his coach in the Argentina national side, say? He has betrayed in the past what Argentinian journalists describe as a certain competitive ambiguity, accusing Messi last year of being too selfish on the ball (a claim his teammates hotly dispute).

But in recent weeks, as if understanding that his only chance of World Cup glory as Argentina coach rests on his successor’s slim shoulders, Maradona has become more effusive, saying, for example: “Messi is a phenomenon”; “The pitch belongs to him”; and “I hope he turns out to be better than me.” According to a source inside the Argentina camp, after a game against France in Paris in February, which Argentina won and in which Messi scored another wonder goal, Maradona was overheard confiding in a group of friends, with what sounded like a curious mix of misgiving and wonder: “Well, let’s see now if it really turns out that he is going to be better than me.”

Maradona’s goalscoring teammate from the 1986 World Cup final, Valdano, believes Messi will be as good. In a recent conversation, Valdano noted that Messi, at 21, was a more mature player than Maradona at the same age. He also remarked with convincing modesty that Messi had the good fortune, which Pelé had and Maradona did not, of playing in a truly great team, namely the present Barcelona one. “He has mental speed, physical speed and speed of technique: three crushing propositions in the face of any rival,” said Valdano. “He is one of the greats. He feels happier playing football than doing anything else. On the pitch he feels the king of the world.”

He feels it, and he is it. Just watch on Tuesday evening.

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Messi can fit the bill for Reds-Stuart Mathieson

Messi can fit the bill for Reds

Stuart Mathieson

April 27, 2009
SO you can scrub Kaka's name off United's summer shopping list - but Lionel Messi might still be inked in as a potential target

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Back-burner

The Ronaldo-to-Real Madrid story has been on the back-burner and then onto the front ring more times than a simmering jus in Hell's Kitchen. Ex-President Ramon Calderon continues to insist he has done the groundwork that will see United's 22-goal winger move to the Bernabeu this summer.

Sir Alex Ferguson fought tooth and nail last close-season to keep the 23-year-old at the club. He won't have flown to Portugal for a one-to-one meeting with Ronaldo just to persuade him to stay one more season.

But the prospect of the Portuguese international insisting he has done his stint after six years at Old Trafford and moving on to sunnier climes will still be hovering over United's transfer business in June, July and August.

There is the distinct possibility, for instance, that Ronaldo could exercise the `Webster ruling' allowing players under the age of 28 who have served sufficient length of an existing contract to buy themselves out of the deal.

Ronaldo will have played three years of a five-year Old Trafford deal this summer and thus could invoke the rule and pay the Reds a sum equal to the amount of wages over the remaining period.

It could cost Ronaldo, or a potential buyer like Real Madrid, around £12m.

No world-class player has ever forced that issue and Sir Alex Ferguson said earlier in the season that he didn't think any big club would go down that road for fear they would then become vulnerable to the ruling themselves.

Thus, Madrid would be more likely to attempt to lure Ronaldo with the usual transfer fee route and that could be around £50m.

United may also save themselves the £26m earmarked for Carlos Tevez's permanent move to Old Trafford after his two-year loan period.

That piece of business will get underway at the end of the season but there is still no certainty that the Argentine striker will stay after admitting he was unhappy that he's not played in United's big games this campaign.

Climate

Speculation continues that equally the Reds are now reluctant to shell out the agreed fee for Tevez in the current climate. If both Ronaldo and Tevez stay, then the need for a showpiece signing will fade.

If either goes, and certainly if Ronaldo leaves for Spain, then the United fans who have been hit by a season-ticket price hike, will expect a worthwhile replacement.

Barcelona's brilliant Argentine Lionel Messi would top most supporters' vote for a big-name import. The Catalan club, however, would not let the 21-year-old superstar go without a massive fight or a massive cheque.

Fergie splashed a club record £30.75m on Dimitar Berbatov last August as an addition to a squad that had won the Premier League and Champions League.

Evidence enough that even if United were to repeat that phenomenal double feat United owners the Glazers would still have to find cash from somewhere to fund the Reds' manager's plans.

While Messi would more than ease the loss of Ronaldo, if Tevez goes then Lyon's 21-year-old striker Karim Benzema would be the preferred choice to step into the South American's boots.

The Frenchman, however, claimed only last month that he wanted to stay with Lyon for another 12 months. United might test his and the French club's resolve.

Full: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ted/s/1112026_messi_can_fit_the_bill_for_reds


Can there be some truth in this story or Mathieson is just another transfer muppet? :lol:
 
Messi can fit the bill for Reds

Stuart Mathieson

April 27, 2009
SO you can scrub Kaka's name off United's summer shopping list - but Lionel Messi might still be inked in as a potential target

............
Back-burner

The Ronaldo-to-Real Madrid story has been on the back-burner and then onto the front ring more times than a simmering jus in Hell's Kitchen. Ex-President Ramon Calderon continues to insist he has done the groundwork that will see United's 22-goal winger move to the Bernabeu this summer.

Sir Alex Ferguson fought tooth and nail last close-season to keep the 23-year-old at the club. He won't have flown to Portugal for a one-to-one meeting with Ronaldo just to persuade him to stay one more season.

But the prospect of the Portuguese international insisting he has done his stint after six years at Old Trafford and moving on to sunnier climes will still be hovering over United's transfer business in June, July and August.

There is the distinct possibility, for instance, that Ronaldo could exercise the `Webster ruling' allowing players under the age of 28 who have served sufficient length of an existing contract to buy themselves out of the deal.

Ronaldo will have played three years of a five-year Old Trafford deal this summer and thus could invoke the rule and pay the Reds a sum equal to the amount of wages over the remaining period.

It could cost Ronaldo, or a potential buyer like Real Madrid, around £12m.

No world-class player has ever forced that issue and Sir Alex Ferguson said earlier in the season that he didn't think any big club would go down that road for fear they would then become vulnerable to the ruling themselves.

Thus, Madrid would be more likely to attempt to lure Ronaldo with the usual transfer fee route and that could be around £50m.

United may also save themselves the £26m earmarked for Carlos Tevez's permanent move to Old Trafford after his two-year loan period.

That piece of business will get underway at the end of the season but there is still no certainty that the Argentine striker will stay after admitting he was unhappy that he's not played in United's big games this campaign.

Climate

Speculation continues that equally the Reds are now reluctant to shell out the agreed fee for Tevez in the current climate. If both Ronaldo and Tevez stay, then the need for a showpiece signing will fade.

If either goes, and certainly if Ronaldo leaves for Spain, then the United fans who have been hit by a season-ticket price hike, will expect a worthwhile replacement.

Barcelona's brilliant Argentine Lionel Messi would top most supporters' vote for a big-name import. The Catalan club, however, would not let the 21-year-old superstar go without a massive fight or a massive cheque.

Fergie splashed a club record £30.75m on Dimitar Berbatov last August as an addition to a squad that had won the Premier League and Champions League.

Evidence enough that even if United were to repeat that phenomenal double feat United owners the Glazers would still have to find cash from somewhere to fund the Reds' manager's plans.

While Messi would more than ease the loss of Ronaldo, if Tevez goes then Lyon's 21-year-old striker Karim Benzema would be the preferred choice to step into the South American's boots.

The Frenchman, however, claimed only last month that he wanted to stay with Lyon for another 12 months. United might test his and the French club's resolve.

Full: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ted/s/1112026_messi_can_fit_the_bill_for_reds


Can there be some truth in this story or Mathieson is just another transfer muppet? :lol:

:lol:
 
All this build up, it'd be hilarious if he remains in Essien's pocket tonight much like Park's last season. :smirk:
 
Messi to United? LOL. I reckon we're more likely to buy Gerrard.
 
33 goals so far? Looks like he might just come close to Ronaldo's much hallowed 42.
 
Ronaldo's goal tally this season will probably end up closer to Messi's this season than Messi getting anywhere near Ronaldo's goal tally last season.
 
Messi has many assists to his name also. All down to the superior finishers at Barca of course.

Tonight Messi has been hyped to the max so i'd imagine he'll give his all. If chelsea do a 2/3man job on him he'll be contained but his influence on the game will show because just him being on the park will open up spaces for Iniesta, Henry and Eto'o.

I think it'll be one of these 3 who win the match for Barca, only if Chelsea go out their way to stop Messi. If they leave him one on one with Bosingwa i think Messi will run riot.
 
Ronaldo's goal tally this season will probably end up closer to Messi's this season than Messi getting anywhere near Ronaldo's goal tally last season.

Actually messi is on 34, 8 goals away from 42 with 8-9 games left to play this season (depending on whether the beat chelsea).

Ronaldo is on 23, 11 goals away from messi, with 7-8 games remaining.

I reckon Messi will be a fair bit closer to ronaldo's tally last season than ronaldo will be to him this season.

Much to your chagrin I'm sure.
 
Actually messi is on 34, 8 goals away from 42 with 8-9 games left to play this season (depending on whether the beat chelsea).

Ronaldo is on 23, 11 goals away from messi, with 7-8 games remaining.

I reckon Messi will be a fair bit closer to ronaldo's tally last season than ronaldo will be to him this season.

Much to your chagrin I'm sure.

Ronaldo's starting to find the back of the net more then Messi is at the moment.
 
I can't believe on the insistance that Messi can be bracketed with greats like Maradona and Pele yet... Nor would I put him up with Zidane. A true legend of the game, an all-time great, ties the team together... Maradona didn't just run past people, he flicked the most fantastic passes left right and centre... The true greats have been playmakers, in a sense... Pele was, Maradona was, Cruyff was, even Beckenbauer was... So he's no-where near that bracket just yet.
 
I can't believe on the insistance that Messi can be bracketed with greats like Maradona and Pele yet... Nor would I put him up with Zidane. A true legend of the game, an all-time great, ties the team together... Maradona didn't just run past people, he flicked the most fantastic passes left right and centre... The true greats have been playmakers, in a sense... Pele was, Maradona was, Cruyff was, even Beckenbauer was... So he's no-where near that bracket just yet.

Because your opinion matters more than actual football greats themselves :rolleyes:.

Frankly if fergie came out and said he was the greatest he'd ever seen you still wouldn't believe it because of your rose tinted specs.
 
Because your opinion matters more than actual football greats themselves :rolleyes:.

Frankly if fergie came out and said he was the greatest he'd ever seen you still wouldn't believe it because of your rose tinted specs.

Yet when the same Fergie (Sir Alex) says Cristiano Ronaldo is the best player in the World, his opinion becomes worthless. :wenger:
 
Because your opinion matters more than actual football greats themselves :rolleyes:.

Frankly if fergie came out and said he was the greatest he'd ever seen you still wouldn't believe it because of your rose tinted specs.

Sorry, do I know you? :confused:

My opinion doesn't matter more... I'm just stating mine and then backing it up with what I consider a true legend of the game's history to have.

And I wouldn't believe it because of my rose tinted specs? Whose favour are they tinted in, do you say? I don't really get the claim you're laying down.
 
Actually messi is on 34, 8 goals away from 42 with 8-9 games left to play this season (depending on whether the beat chelsea).

Ronaldo is on 23, 11 goals away from messi, with 7-8 games remaining.

I reckon Messi will be a fair bit closer to ronaldo's tally last season than ronaldo will be to him this season.

Much to your chagrin I'm sure.

Good for Messi, still got nothing on Ronaldo's season last season though!! Lets see how good he plays tonite!!
 
Im looking forward to seeing him tonight.

I think putting a right footed full back on him is a good option as he usually comes inside.

I think Bosingwa will try and take him out. Chelsea tried that at Stamford Bridge a couple of years back.

Messi needs to watch the Bosingwa kick to the back...

 
Here’s a not too debatable list of the great players around today: Steven Gerrard, Fernando Torres, Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney, Kaka. And here are some recent greats: Ronaldinho, Zinedane Zidane, Luis Figo, the Brazilian Ronaldo.


Stopped reading there....Messi is in a different category but a list of current and former BPITW are in the same category as some players who haven't been BPITW, some who haven't even been best in the league and one who would even struggle to even make BPITW shortlist :lol:
 
Im looking forward to seeing him tonight.

I think putting a right footed full back on him is a good option as he usually comes inside.

I think Bosingwa will try and take him out. Chelsea tried that at Stamford Bridge a couple of years back.

Messi needs to watch the Bosingwa kick to the back...



pfft Ronaldo's thread is much bigger. Ronaldo's thread post tally will probably end up closer to Messi's thread post tally this season than Messi's thread post tally getting anywhere near Ronaldo's thread post tally last season.






Ronaldo also has a bigger cock.

:lol:
 
Did feck all tonight. Pfff and they compare him to our ronnie :devil:
 
I think it's fair to say Messi goes missing in big games unlike Ronaldo.

True.....can anyone disappear more in a big game than Messi did ? He could do feck all even though Chelsea didnt even bother to double mark him. In the second half, Bosingwa got so bored that he decided to mark Henry on the other wing instead and leave Messi to do nothing.

70% of the possession and Pique was the best player with Valdes needing making a world class save. Says it all about Barca and Laliga.
 
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