Really is a bit pathetic, when he has a poor game people rush here to post and when he has as good one it is the same.
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Really is a bit pathetic, when he has a poor game people rush here to post and when he has as good one it is the same.
another big match coming up now, madrid away. i can honestly see madrid beating them as well. oh noes!!!!111!!
I cant, Barca in 3rd gear can beat any team in their league easily. However Barca at top gear would find it hard to beat one of our top 4 teams...
Barca will beat Madrid, Messi will score a hat trick against a poor defence and be hailed once again as the greatest since Maradona.
He is a fantastic talent but comparing him to Maradona is spastic. Based on the games against top defences so far, he hasn't even shown that he is good enough to lace Ronaldinho's boots yet, let alone warrant a comparison with one of the best ever footballers.
He is a fantastic talent but comparing him to Maradona is spastic. Based on the games against top defences so far, he hasn't even shown that he is good enough to lace Ronaldinho's boots yet, let alone warrant a comparison with one of the best ever footballers.
To be fair, only people that didn't see Maradona compare them.
Great players at a young age can't dominate or make a significant impact in every big game. Kaka has been through this, so has Cristiano Ronaldo and it is the same for Messi. If Messi puts in another subdued performance at Stamford Bridge and Barca go out then questions will be asked and Messi will be put through the same over the top criticism that all other greats in the past have had to endure at some stage during their career.
The thing is these great players come back and prove to themselves and to their detractors that they can deliver when the pressure is really on. Messi will do this, be it next week at Stamford Bridge, next season or the season after.
The thing is these great players come back and prove to themselves and to their detractors that they can deliver when the pressure is really on. Messi will do this, be it next week at Stamford Bridge, next season or the season after.
Messi is a brilliant player, the best player in the world to be honest. Very closely followed by Ronaldo.
The fact that he had an off match today changes nothing. But what it does change is the notion that Messi is some sort of a demi god who never has off matches and miles better than Ronaldo.
The fact that he had an off match today changes nothing. But what it does change is the notion that Messi is some sort of a demi god who never has off matches and miles better than Ronaldo.
Spot on, I'm afraid that this match will give most (stupid) the opposite view that Messi is an overrated player.I think he's a great player but not even close to the legends of the game
No great player at any age can consistently dominate top quality teams every time. With the greats of the past, everyone remembers the great performances while memory of the poor performances tend to fade away.
Bang on mate. I'm sure FranklyVulgan will come up with some logic to prove Messi shat all over Chelsea.
I'd love to have Messi at Old Trafford.
I'm interested in what he'll say.It's weird he hasn't posted anything so far
This is still going?
Thing is, with messi, there's this feeling amongst the media and experts that he will go Down one of the greatest ever. Call it hype or not, whether it's justified or not, it's there and it suggests he's miles ahead of the likes of our ronaldo.
Personally I want ronaldo to do better as he plays for us but indivdually I don't care who ends up grater so I bieve I'm un biased about it. Love watching messi and have seen lots of him so I turned to this game today wondering whether he really is a step a above. Whether really unlike ronaldo he can mesmerize and rip apart a team like Chelsea. And although one game nEver says so much, he was awful.
I think it's all because of youtube and Internet. 18 year old kids like Brwned bang on and on because they have time and youtube, which makes them the best judges of football talent.
And feck the football manager.
And feck the football manager.
So would I.
BTW, anybody else noticed that Instant Karma changed his tune about Messi even since Messi put Rooney and Rio in his team of the year?
A lot of it also has to do with latent homosexual urges.
I would have thought the thread would have calmed down a bit what with Messi cutting his hair short and Ronaldo not taking his shirt off much these days.
One bad game and he's suddenly not the greatest player in the world anymore?
Ronaldo always plays so well in big games, doesn't he?
Ronaldo always plays so well in big games, doesn't he?
Good post.
Messi was poor, no doubt about that. He had an off day, he's had enough good days this season to merit the praise he has gotten and has shown enough for people to not be daft enough to doubt his tallent.
Chelsea did a great job of defending tooth and nail. Barca still should have scored, how the feck Bojan missed and Hleb (well actually he's expected to) cocked up i'll never know. Eto'o clean through should do better also.
Still Drogba should have scored so it could have really been 2-1 or something simelar which would no doubt have also been a great result for chelsea. Unless barca hammer you 3-0 or more it's basically a great result...
Stanford bridge awaits, 1-1 sees barca through. Will chelsea actually come out to score?
Messi can still make the difference and after one abject performance i wouldnt be going over the moon about it. The second leg could be his day, tonight certainly wasn't.
Chelsea did a great job of defending tooth and nail. Barca still should have scored, how the feck Bojan missed and Hleb (well actually he's expected to) cocked up i'll never know. Eto'o clean through should do better also.
Still Drogba should have scored so it could have really been 2-1 or something simelar which would no doubt have also been a great result for chelsea. Unless barca hammer you 3-0 or more it's basically a great result...
Stanford bridge awaits, 1-1 sees barca through. Will chelsea actually come out to score?
Messi can still make the difference and after one abject performance i wouldnt be going over the moon about it. The second leg could be his day, tonight certainly wasn't.
Messi.
He didn't have an off day. Chelsea tactics contained him perfectly. Because they shut down the midfield supply to him. More of the same will happen at the Bridge.
To be very frank he hasn't done anything yet to warrant him being called a better footballer than Ronaldinho at his best amongst other more lofty claims.....
Don't kid you self. Chelsea will attack Barcelona like wounded animals. Barcelona at the bridge will have to do more defending than they have done in Europe all year. To have any chance of survival.
It's more liikely that it won't be. Because a better defender will be marking him and this time his team will be doing alot of defending. So you shouldn't dissmiss that happning.
FV admitting that Messi wasn't man of the match in a game shocker!!Care to explain what Messi did so differently against United in either leg a year ago?
Good question
No it doesn't
It suggests that Ronaldo has a far less palatable personality than Messi. Weirdly enough I reckon it can be equated to how some people choose Pelé over Maradona because Maradona wouldn't be a person you'd trust to raise your children.
'tis a mad mad world.
The guy that wrote this article may look quite stupid in a week's time.
errr, but should it not be possible for the BPITW to influence any game, any time? That is what sets them aside as the BPITW. Dont get me wrong, I already have admiration for him, he has amazing talent and potential and if things turn out right for him, he could become one of the finest players of his generation if not in modern memory. The point I object to and totally disagree with all on here is that he is already the BPITW. I can think of several players who are 'better' than him right now and they all play in the PL.
Messi fanboys cannot have their cake and eat it at the same time with the claim that yesterday was just one game and that he has to be judged over a period of time etc. Im sorry but that is bull. Yes, the BPITW has to give a sustained level of unbelievable performance and also shine in big games too.
That was the key criticism for Ronaldo. I remember when his fans boys all ganged up on me once when I posted a 'Ronaldo went missing' thread ... but Ronaldo has moved up a game and will always be there when we need him and when it counts.
Messi did not come up with the goods yesterday. He is not the BPITW
Its not his talent that anybody doubts. He has masses of talent and even more potential. It is whether he is the BPITW.
He is not.
Who has been the BPITW this season then ?
Personally, I thought United contained Messi much like Chelsea did last night, but FV & vijay always harp on about him being man of the match at OT. I'd love to see an explanation.
we don't yet know. The winners of La Liga, The Premiership and the Champions league will have the biggest influence in answering that question.
Its been a strange season all round. If Ronaldo finishes this season strong like he is threatening to and wins the PL as its leading scorer, CL as well as all those trophies earlier this season, The I really cant see beyond him. And those who know me on here will know Im no Ronaldo fanboy either.
Messi has to win medals for this honour. And he needs to show the world that he can tear apart at Chavski team famous for its ability to contain world class players. Its all game on still between Ronaldo, Messi, even Rooney and Eto in my opinion. What happens in the next month will decide. And even then, maybe there has not been one stand out player this year like Ronaldo was last year.
Messi time will surely come, I just dont think its yet.
You're a bunch of saddos.
United left him more open at times, allowed him to run at players more and his passing wasn't as erratic. Chelsea packed the midfield tight, very tight to stop all the little passes. In the 2nd leg at old trafford he was more effective because United left themselves exposed at times.
Even so barca should have scored against Chelsea, they had the chances to do so but didn't take them. I expect them to score in the 2nd leg, as i said 1-1 sees barca through.
Personally I can't see the Barca defence sans Puyol & Marquez (do they even have another CB other than Pique?) keeping Chelsea out.
It's definitely advantage Chelsea now.
Annoying isn't it? I am sick and tired of seeing this thread on the front page of the caf.
No doubting it is but if barca are sharp they'll score. If chelsea open it up barca will score.
Cheslea will play the same way, i know chief thinks otherwise but i can't see Chelsea battering Barca, United are a better team than Chelsea and they didnt batter Barca last season.
THey'll play tight, defensive and look to score a breakaway goal/setpeice. If Barca score first we might actually see the open football Hiddink promised.
Agreed.
Overall United might have the better team. But Chelsea have a better midfield than us. Plus Drogba upfront. Have no doubts they will attack Barcelona. Just like they attacked Liverpool in the last round. For they know their defence at home hasn't done a great job of keeping people out lately. So playing defnsively will nto suit them at all. Chelsea are set to l be far more adventurous at the Bridge., Essien especially and Lampard will have far more attacking roles than they did last night. Anything less and they will go out. It's that simple.
Chief, they attacked Liverpool because they were 2 nil down due to some very defensive tactics.They were ready to play like that the entire match if Liverpool didn't score
Yes. But remember they were 3-1 ahead on aggregate before Liverpool stunned them into action with away goals. At 0-0 defending wont benefit them on bit. And Barcelona's defense without Marquez and Puyol IMO are ripe for plucking.
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