I didn't know Everton had players like Cruyff, Romario, Koeman, Stoichkov, Hagi, Ronaldo, Luís Figo, Rivaldo.. (not to mention Maradona, Hughes, Lineker, Laudrup, Kluivert etc)
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I didn't know Everton had players like Cruyff, Romario, Koeman, Stoichkov, Hagi, Ronaldo, Luís Figo, Rivaldo.. (not to mention Maradona, Hughes, Lineker, Laudrup, Kluivert etc)
Yes but not the last two years
If they do finish ahead of Madrid I don't think it will be many. Maybe 4-5 max. Barcelona haven't had a fixture pile up yet and have played most of the big guns at home. March April and May will be decisive.
Yes but not the last two years
If they do finish ahead of Madrid I don't think it will be many. Maybe 4-5 max. Barcelona haven't had a fixture pile up yet and have played most of the big guns at home. March April and May will be decisive.
So what?
Valdes, Xavi, Henry, Eto'o, Messi, Puyol all have experience of winning the league, so you're talking out of your arse about not having enough experience.
well....
atom smasher as to take the prize for most deluded poster of the day. His input on barca, senna and hargreaves have been beauties.
I have not disagreed with him being head and shoulder above the rest this season.
I do not agree with your "fact" that he's the most talented player in the World
I do watch a lot of Barca, like them or hate them, they're a good bet.
He's no deluded, he's just an idiot.
What experience does Henry have with Barca?
What experience does Guardiola have in winning the league? I was laughed at by some Barca 'fans' last year on ManUTD.com too when they had the fantastic four, but you'd all guess who had the last laugh when they actually won feck all.
What experience does Henry have with Barca?
I was laughed at by some Barca 'fans' last year on ManUTD.com too when they had the fantastic four, but you'd all guess who had the last laugh when they actually won feck all.
So now you're just changing the argument?
Messi, Eto'o, Valdes, Xavi and Puyol are the spine of the Barcelona team, and have all won titles with Barcelona.
Well done for being right once in your life.
This is where your argument fails. Had Le Tissier won something for Southampton, it would've been because the team was vastly superior to the one that actually existed.
Team is the key word here; teams are judged by what they win, a player's level of ability is not.
What experience does Henry have with Barca?
I was laughed at by some Barca 'fans' last year on ManUTD.com too when they had the fantastic four, but you'd all guess who had the last laugh when they actually won feck all.
most of the barca players won the champions league two years ago
Team is the sum of its parts, the parts being the players. (I'm not saying it's a simple addition)
If Le Tissier was better than he actually was, Soton would have been better than they actually were and might have won something.
This makes no sense whatsoever.
Honestly, that's the worst piece of logic I've ever seen on here.
Le Tissier was fantastic, if the players around him were better he might have won things. If he had won things, that wouldn't have made him a better player.
That's very true, but if he was better, they could have won something too... surely it's not difficult to understand that logic.
That's like saying if Maradona was better, they might have won every match he played in.
It's senseless, and bordering on irrelevant.
Your logic is flawed, Le Tisser without trophies is a fantastic footballer, Le tissier with trophies is still that same fantastic footballer, just with better players around him.
Trophies have no input in judging how good a player is, yet you use it as the main factor.
Give over. He would have to be fecking maradona to win anything with that dross.
It makes no sense at all, Le Tissier was an excellent player surrounded by a group of ordinary players at Southampton which prevented him from winning trophies.
Even if he had been twice the player he was (which was hardly even possible), they would have still not been good enough, a single player does not win you trophies if he's surrounded by poor players.
A certain Diego Maradona managed...
For one he had much better players around him than soton had. Secondly, it is absurd to posit that because Le Tissier is not as good as Maradona, he is therefore a lesser player than he otherwise would have been had soton won something.
that's been said a lot, but maradona played along some fine players, like Valdano, Burruchaga, Hèctor Enrique, Ruggeri and Giusti
you might not remember any of them but they all won a lot of things with their own clubs
in fact, if my memory doesn't fail me, Giusti and Burruchaga where on the team that beat liverpool in the Intercontinental Cup in 1985 or 1984 -to reach that stage they won the libertadores cup (south american CL)
Ruggeri and Hector Enrique played for River Plate -along with the goalie Pumpido- and that same year they won the libertadores cup and the intercontinental cup
while Valdano was part of a Real Madrid that won la liga five consecutive times
Maradona was, undoubtedly, the brightest star of that team, but he wasnt surrounded by bad players at all
But they all looked rubbish from the moment he got kicked out of the team.
Also at Napoli he played in a very good team. Of course he was the best player but Napoli were a strong side in the 70s and broke the world record transfer fee to bring Maradona. Then they built the team around him bringing in top international quality players. Again no doubting he was the main man but to dismiss the other members of these teams is disrespectful and ignorant.
Spot on.I'd be lying if I was to say I watched that Argentina team live or a lot. Maradona was undoubtedly the best but he couldn't have achieved what he has without some good teammates.
C.Ronaldo is your modern day george best, he is the modern day legend..
messi...= maradonna but for him to overtake C.ronaldo...he has to equal or better what C.ronaldo did last season...
messi...= maradonna but for him to overtake C.ronaldo...he has to equal or better what C.ronaldo did last season...
Messi was man marked in the whole by Diarra most of the time and by Toulalan at times.They did a good job but each time Messi a had a run at them they just couldn't deal with him. That goal is also the result of the fantastic work from Carlos Tevez and it's shame that gif didn't show his contribution to the goal.
There were times he had 3 opponents around him but he still managed to make some clever movements and passes in order to create spaces for his team mates.
It's an area of his game which has improved immensely,his vision and passing.Not that he was rubbish at it before,he just got so much better
Difference is when George Best played at his best there wasn't an equal playing the game at the time.
Messi at his best is better than Ronaldo at his best and that is one reason why he is already better.
Only in terms of goals because and he's looking fine at it so far.He's shown that he' s better than Ronaldo already but the best assessment will be made at the end of this season.
I genuinely thought France played well. Before the 2nd goal went in they were the better of the two teams in my view. In the first half they really didn't deserve to go in behind, if anything they should have went in at half time 1-0 up.
that didn't happened till 1992 or something, six years later
and don't forget that pumpido, burruchaga, giusti and ruggeri played the 1990 world cup too -with maradona- and, they came second
Tbh,I was surprised with the first half.I was really happy to see how the team was playing and if Anelka could have scored that chance it might have been a different match.The really tough thing is when you have magical players like Messi and Aguero.
In France they were only focusing on Lionel but Aguero was amazing in creating the first goal which basically killed the team's confidence (specially being just before the first half whistle).I don't think France will show more than that if they don't change the coach,I've tried to defend Domenech before.I've tried to understand his reasoning but sometimes it's just too much. Last night the speakers were close to the benches and you could hear him shout his instructions and they were only about negativity and defending.The team has some good players but without a real inspiration or a real coach it'll be just above average.
ronaldo can do alot more though, he has great aerial ability,
his free kicks are devastating,
his free kicks are devastating,
Can Ronaldo run past 3 or 4 players with relative ease or play a defence splitting pass that nobody else on the pitch can even see?
yes
because of his playing style, he doesn't need to. Both players are just playing to their strengths. Ronnie can do other things, like well placed crosses from either by line, after getting there when he is finished making fullbacks look like silly school girls.
He doesn't do that anymore
Ronaldo at his best is better than Messi has ever been.
Can Messi score headers like Ronaldo did in Rome or Moscow? Can Messi take freekicks like Ronaldo?
agreed
You wish
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