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Lionel Messi
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Puerile musings merit responses that befit that juvenile nature . You know what they say, if the gif fits...
'Juvenile'?!
Honestly, it's you that needs to grow up,
They say he will probably be on the bench vs PSG .
Puerile musings merit responses that befit that juvenile nature . You know what they say, if the gif fits...
Before I reply properly, can you explain what you are referring to by 'puerile musings', because if it's to the idea that to the neutral, Messi leaving would be an attractive thing.
I would love to know why this is rubbish as I am neutral to Barca in a sense as my team don't play the Primera Liga, however I would definitely prefer Messi to move, would love to see how he would do at another team.
Regarding posting on anything other than Messi/Barca, you are a very good poster.
To say that it would be interesting to see Messi play for another team is one thing, and to say that he should actually do it (which is terribly stupid) is something else.
We used to have this pastime among college buddies where we'd indulge in whimsical scenarios and bounce them off one another to see what would/could be plausible and how we'd achieve it - we referred to it as slacking
It's one thing to entertain flights of fantasy but it's quite something else to predicate those musings on sophomoric reasoning
Must've missed where Leo's overall standing in the game was somehow in question or if it could be any higher. Perhaps if he walked on water?
A player who keeps scoring more goals, breaking more records and drawing more interest, viewers and plaudits is in danger of stagnating. I mean, what can you say, it's not just that it's a preposterous assessment but it's not even imaginative. Fergus is apparently unable to get excited over Messi, seems he's the only one and if he can't get excited about present Messi, no change of venue or player is going to get a rise out of him. That sort of dysthymia is best addressed through meds, not waiting for Messi to finally excite him elsewhere
A club he's been at for 13 years, arguably to have played the most mesmerizing football in generations, won countless trophies, who have built their team around harnessing this unique talent to it's fullest and who have an understanding on the pitch among his teammates that is quasi innate is somehow not the club he could shine brightest at?
Puerile is merely being kind
They fecked it up a few times in this one lol. It's actually not that hard a skill tbh if you're somewhat decent as you've got all the time and space in the world. Heck even I could do it on a good day. Now if they could do this in a real game, then it'd be
Messi hardly needs to leave Barca to prove anything. Competing for the CL trophy every season is challenge enough for any footballer.
Perhaps if some posters are thinking Messi should take up Muay Thai boxing, sure, leaving Barcelona might be a good idea.
Perhaps if some posters are thinking Messi should take up Muay Thai boxing, sure, leaving Barcelona might be a good idea.
Of course his standing in the game could be higher, only fanboys like you and Danny2002 think it couldn't.
Could be higher? Compared to whom? Like I mentioned before, it's not even an imaginative criticism of the player - in truth, you should be embarrassed for sticking to that line
That kind of myopia is more the consequence of a hater than the reaction to what you think is a fanboy. If you don't like Messi, there are plenty who don't and nothing wrong with that (Cal's support group meets every Wednesday evening) but your assessments of where Lionel Messi is in the game or what he needs to do still to impress you is impossible to take seriously
If you are talking about Argentina, then I am with you. Although he has impressed for more than a year now.
About Barca, I sincerely doubt that. Breaking every record, scoring a number of goals than only 5 years ago if someone predicted we would have called him mental, winning four Ballon D'or in a row and it is very likely that he will win the next four too and winning countless trophies.
I think most non-Barcelona supporters would prefer to see Messi playing for some other club some time in his career. How is it "puerile" to suggest that?
Hater? Get a fecking grip, not every sentence that isn't sucking Messi off constitutes as 'hating'! My word.
Compared to say Pele or Maradona? I am of the opinion that Messi is probably the greatest of all time, yet this isn't a view yet shared by everyone. Him leaving Barcelona, IMO(!!!!!!), and doing well, will help to spread this view.
Only feck knows.
It's silly to say his standing "couldn't be higher". Whether he stays at Barca or moves to another club there's always room for him to achieve more. He's young enough that he could get even better. Daft to say he's reached the limit of his achievement regardless of whether it's used as an argument for him staying put or not.
As far as I'm concerned I'd prefer to see him stay at Barca really and do a Giggsy. I can't think of many other teams in the world that could set up to support him as well as Barca do. Maybe if he moved we'd get to see a bit more individual brilliance maybe but realistically where is he going to move to achieve that. Obviously if he decides to move to United you can feck this last paragraph off and replace it with: "I think he really needs to test himself in the PL and moving to United would be a perfect way to prove any doubters he has wrong".
As far as I'm concerned I'd prefer to see him stay at Barca really and do a Giggsy. I can't think of many other teams in the world that could set up to support him as well as Barca do. Maybe if he moved we'd get to see a bit more individual brilliance maybe but realistically where is he going to move to achieve that. Obviously if he decides to move to United you can feck this last paragraph off and replace it with: "I think he really needs to test himself in the PL and moving to United would be a perfect way to prove any doubters he has wrong".
Don't really agree with the opinion he should have to leave. Does Alex Ferguson need to achieve success abroad to be rated higher? Would Baresi or Maldini of been regarded higher if they had gone elsewhere to prove themselves? Like those two Messi is in a fortunate position where he has been bought up in a club which is very competitive so he has no need to leave. He is probably among the best paid players in the world and every season has been showing big improvement which is quite scary considering the level he is already playing at.
I wouldn't say they 'needed' to leave to be rated higher but it may have helped. Anyway, I don't believe the comparisons are apt, Messi is a bit of a special case IMO. Never have I seen someone who looks as if they find everything on the pitch so easy, he needs a new challenge soon I think.
I like this comparison. As far as I am concerned, Sir Alex has only been with one big club, and that is with us; Manchester United. Yes, he managed St Mirren, he managed Aberdeen (who beat Real Madrid), but they are not what you might call "great clubs." I dislike Mourinho, everyone knows that, but give him his due, he took the risk of going from Porto, to Chelsea, Inter Milan and Real Madrid, not knowing how the situations would pan out for him. Suffice to say, just as Messi has his comfort zone at Barcelona, I am sure you would agree that Sir Alex has his comfort zone at Old Trafford.
Jose has done a great job everywhere, but in fairness he went to Chelsea with a blank cheque and then onto Serie A, to the only club not in the shit at the time. His best achievement out of those 3 clubs for me was with Real and winning La Liga off Barcelona.
But still is finest moment in his career was with Porto. I don't see him topping that.
But still is finest moment in his career was with Porto. I don't see him topping that.
Much like it's fair to say that Mourinho's foremost managerial achievements were at Porto, there was a case, up to 1999 at least, that Ferguson's greatest was with Aberdeen.
That's pretty basic stuff to professional footballers, they don't have to be Messi or Alves to do it, I've seen something similar at Polish league games where the standard of football players is ridiculously poor.
More devastating that about 90 goals a year? In what world are you living?
Even though this is debatable too, this was not the stupid part in Fergus' son's contributions here.. The stupid part was when he said that Messi should leave Barcelona now.. Shit-est advice ever.
How about Pele leaves Brazil (on club level) to elevate his status?!
He's giving his opinion ffs. Some of you get wound up over the tiniest details. I'd like to see messi move too. Would be fun to watch him in a different set up.
Us getting wound-up. Perhaps you should take a look in the mirror, since as soon as someone criticises Real Madrid, you are forever getting wound-up over the "tiniest details." You are the last person we will be taking advice from.
Was it you making those embarrassing conspiracy theory accusations against mourinho ? That was pathetic. Hopefully noone does the same regarding pep or fergie. Very rawkish. It's what separates a good forum like this from that pile of drivel.
What will be more interesting than that is how Messi influences the Barca side when Xavi is phased out of the Barca side.
Advice?! Like I said, I dont think Messi reads this forum.
Yeah, I probably would've advocated Pele leaving Brazil too, what's the problem with that?
Indeed.
You know damn well it was. It was only yesterday wasn't it? However, your last post was a bit RAWKISH too.
If he stays at Barca and doesn't light up a WC, then there'll always be that tiny doubt whether it was the Barca setup embellishing his greatness.
But surely, apart from the Barca fanboys, everyone would like to see Messi move?
But surely, apart from the Barca fanboys, everyone would like to see Messi move?
Too?? This is not what he said. If you want to agree with him then at least quote the actual thing we're talking about.
And by the way, I'm simply giving my opinion about his opinion, too.
I think you had him on the ropes there FCBarca. The moment when he came out with the word "fanboy", is clear for all to see that whatever you said, he simply couldn't counter without calling you and Danny out there. As far as I am concerned, United supporter or not, Messi is simply the best player out there and will get better.
Why is it not actually bitterness and jealousy that makes some people want him to leave? Neutral fans generally don't like to see great sides break up. It's like when I wanted Drogba to leave Chelsea (years ago), simply because I wanted Chelsea to fail..
Anyway, you're missing the point anyway, because the bolded part is not what we're arguing about here.
So, we have now have "Barca fanboys", to accompagny those of "Messi", "Cristiano" and "Real Madrid", fanboys...
If you mean because it would probably benefit other teams and make Barca worse off, than probably, although from a domestic point of view, I certainly wouldn't want to see an English club that isn't Utd benefit from his talent.
From a Real Madrid fanboy point of view, Messi is the key to Barcelona's success, no other team gets close. So, take Messi out of La Liga, and their boy Cristiano becomes number 1. At the end of the day, thinking it is better for Messi to move is simply being used as a pretext for the Madrid fans.
What the hell are you arguing about then? Semantics?
For what it's worth, me saying Messi should leave in my mind is akin to saying I'd like to see Messi leave.
Why is it not actually bitterness and jealousy that makes some people want him to leave? Neutral fans generally don't like to see great sides break up. It's like when I wanted Drogba to leave Chelsea (years ago), simply because I wanted Chelsea to fail..
Anyway, you're missing the point anyway, because the bolded part is not what we're arguing about here.[/QUOTE
As a football fan,I want to see how the greatest player ever would fare in a different team. Nothing to do with jealousy, pure footballing curiosity.
So, we have now have "Barca fanboys", to accompagny those of "Messi", "Cristiano" and "Real Madrid", fanboys...
Followers of Real Madrid and Barca tend to be more fanboys than supporters. Obsessed with individuals, transfer muppets and white hankies after a couple of bad results.
Here is one of your quotes:
If winning 4 Ballon D'Ors and all those trophies with Barcelona and breaking countless records is your definition for stagnation (which is why he should save himself and get out of there), then sorry, I disagree.
I don't think that only applies to Real Madrid and Barcelona followers. And I don't think this is a typical comment of a "neutral football fan" to be honest.
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