Again with the gay references.
Lionel Messi
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Again with the gay references.
I think that's bullshit and I think that Messi has already been asked about that and denied it.
That settles it then
I hope Messi is going to get rested when he needs to. A player of his caliber shouldn't be allowed to burn out from being overplayed. Of course, he doesn't want to rested against the small fry because that's where he can easily bag his hattricks.
Yeah, facing such no-mark clubs as Real Madrid, Valencia, Atlético, Sevilla, Málaga and Arsenal makes it far too easy for him to get his hat-tricks...
Yeah, facing such no-mark clubs as Real Madrid, Valencia, Atlético, Sevilla, Málaga and Arsenal makes it far too easy for him to get his hat-tricks...
I know he can score a hattick almost against anyone
It's just since him and C. Ron are obsessed with scoring goals, they don't want to miss chance to the lead.I know he can score a hattick almost against anyone
the bastards, how dare they
Yeah, take today's hattrick for example.. Too easy. He should have been rested.
That third goal was class. Bit like that classic one against Zaragoza where he shrugged the defender off at the start.
hard not to drool over a 'show' like that
Left Foot.
Right Foot.
Stem Christies.
Right Foot.
Stem Christies.
The power of that shot for his first goal it's unreal.
Has Messi ever had any sort of injury that has put him out for more than a couple of weeks? I can't recall any?
In last 3-4 years-no, but he had couple of those before that.
The guy is some kind of super human surely.
Because he is small and doesn't have sixpacks?
Firstly I should make it clear that I'm not trying to be controversial, not actually making accusations per se and its purely for debate, but when you see players like Messi playing 260 games in 4 seasons for club and country at that level of intensity without any strains or pulls or fatigue and then you see Lance Armstrong's star come crashing down, does it make you wonder?
Clearly there is a huge factor of technical skill which sets a Messi apart, but when so many other players score good goal tallys in 30 or 40 game seasons that have interruptions from injury and fatigue does it not make you wonder? Especially when he has players like Xavi around him who also play at an unbelievable intensity despite also playing 375 games in 6 years, an average of 63 games a season.
It's unbelievable, isn't it?
Clearly there is a huge factor of technical skill which sets a Messi apart, but when so many other players score good goal tallys in 30 or 40 game seasons that have interruptions from injury and fatigue does it not make you wonder? Especially when he has players like Xavi around him who also play at an unbelievable intensity despite also playing 375 games in 6 years, an average of 63 games a season.
It's unbelievable, isn't it?
He missed a large portion of the 06 CL winning campaign with injury
The Caf doubles as Paul Scholes personal cheerleaders. Nobody thinks that striking a ball with power can only be done by tall guys.
Whilst there have been accusations of doping in Spanish football, (google Eufemiano Fuentes), Messi has used growth hormones which have undoubtedly improved performance. However, as they were for a medical condition they were allowed. Its kind of a grey area really.
You know his hormone treatment was given to him as a child to bring his hormone levels up to 'normal' level that the likes of you and I have?
Sounds like an accusation of cheating to me and it seems to crop up every now and then, particularly after a good display.
If he was given some sort of booster that gave him an excess of energy or whatever I'd see the logic, but he wasn't. It's a shame that Lance Armstrong being a cheat may cast a doubt in people's minds over sporting greats like Ali, Jordan, Bolt and so on.
Perhaps their medical staff is just competent, exactly what you'd expect from Barcelona's doctors. Real don't have that many injuries either and Ronaldo plays an obscene amount of games as well - I think he even holds the record for the most time spent on the pitch during calendar year or something. You can't really prevent an injury by cheating in any way unless you inject player's muscles with titan and turn them into Iron Men.
It is incredible how Ronaldo and Messi, two of the world's most heavily marked players, never get injured. You go through our squad and there's not a single player who stays injury free for even a season or so let alone 3-4 years like these two. Not implying anything fishy but it baffles me.
I don't think doping or anything would help prevent injuries. If anything it might just have the opposite effect. Wouldn't it help you ignore signs that your body is getting tired, thus making you get injured faster? I'm no expert though. I think it's down to pure professionalism and a bit of good fortune as well.
I remember George Best saying that one of the signs of the greatest players is that they never get injured.
I guess that excludes Luiz Ronaldo.
I guess that excludes Luiz Ronaldo.
I do, and personally I don't have a problem with it. However, in a way it is still performance enhancing, though as Itried to make clear, it is a clear medical condition.
Do people even know what they're talking about here?! 
1- Messi is not the only player who has played at high level for 4 years without getting injured.
2- Doping has nothing to do with injuries. Doping has more to do with fitness, and Messi is one the players who runs the LEAST in the Barcelona squad. He runs well below the average player. So to suggest that he's doping now is ridiculous. He's not the BPITW now because of his fitness, or because he runs a lot. In last year's champions league group stages he averaged 8.2 km per game (WELL below the average) and he was still top scorer.
3- The treatment he got in his childhood doesn't protect him against injuries. In fact it may make him MORE injury prone. And that's what was actually speculated early on in his career, the fear that his career would be cut short because of injuries due to those treatments.
4- Messi had a LOT of injuries earlier on in his career (when it was closer to his treatments!).
1- Messi is not the only player who has played at high level for 4 years without getting injured.
2- Doping has nothing to do with injuries. Doping has more to do with fitness, and Messi is one the players who runs the LEAST in the Barcelona squad. He runs well below the average player. So to suggest that he's doping now is ridiculous. He's not the BPITW now because of his fitness, or because he runs a lot. In last year's champions league group stages he averaged 8.2 km per game (WELL below the average) and he was still top scorer.
3- The treatment he got in his childhood doesn't protect him against injuries. In fact it may make him MORE injury prone. And that's what was actually speculated early on in his career, the fear that his career would be cut short because of injuries due to those treatments.
4- Messi had a LOT of injuries earlier on in his career (when it was closer to his treatments!).
Ronaldo didn't get injured much for us either.
There's the pace and physicality difference between the leagues. Add Barca's complete domination of most games to that and it makes Messi's injury record slightly less remarkable.
Also if you watch Messi play for Barca, he hardly ever puts in a 'shift'. He walks around the final third a lot with the occasional burst (which frighteningly is good enough for him to score a goal a game). I'd love to see the distance he covers every match.
Also if you watch Messi play for Barca, he hardly ever puts in a 'shift'. He walks around the final third a lot with the occasional burst (which frighteningly is good enough for him to score a goal a game). I'd love to see the distance he covers every match.
Apparently it's around 9 km a game.
He had various hamstring injuries under Rijkaard. Reaching physical maturity and the stewardship of Juanjo Brau had made a real impact. Even his recovery from that Ujfalusi challenge was remarkably quick.
Hmm seems pretty low for a forward. I recall reading the average Prem midfielder covers around 12k a game.
That's not true for sure. Carrick is probably player who covers more pitch than most midfielders in premiership, and yet he avereges around 10,5 km in champions league.
I think there's more to be seen here. In Tyler Hamilton's book he alludes to the fact many people think he was working with big Spanish clubs and the players.
300 goals!
Midfielders do about
10k and forwards 9k, defenders less unsurprisingly.
He got his logic backwards. It would be very hard indeed to become one of the greatest players if you were regularly injured.
(And I guess that, too, excludes Luiz Ronaldo!)
The lad's a fecking freak.
The very unique way in which Messi dribbles probably helps him avoid injury. He doesn't really do tricks, or deceive his opponent (indeed the older he's got, the less trickery he seems to use). He just has an incredible sense of the momentum and direction of himself, the ball, and the opponent, and can almost see where everything will be a second later. He uses his pace and incredible control of the ball to simply follow the path between these predicted obstacles.
This means that when he gets clattered or tripped, he's ready for it. He hasn't feinted an opponent who then whips out a rash leg, he's just seen how far they'll be able to reach, and gone around. Watch him fall - he's almost always ready for it before it happens. I've never seen him land awkwardly in his entire career.
As for Ronaldo, his supreme physical condition probably shields him from a lot of damage. He does get injured more than Messi - which makes sense, because when he does go round an opponent one-on-one (happens less these days to be fair), there normally is an element of trickery or deception about it.
Remember also the photos we used to see sometimes when he was at United. He'd come out of every game with his legs literally black and blue.
(Sorry to double post.)
This means that when he gets clattered or tripped, he's ready for it. He hasn't feinted an opponent who then whips out a rash leg, he's just seen how far they'll be able to reach, and gone around. Watch him fall - he's almost always ready for it before it happens. I've never seen him land awkwardly in his entire career.
As for Ronaldo, his supreme physical condition probably shields him from a lot of damage. He does get injured more than Messi - which makes sense, because when he does go round an opponent one-on-one (happens less these days to be fair), there normally is an element of trickery or deception about it.
Remember also the photos we used to see sometimes when he was at United. He'd come out of every game with his legs literally black and blue.
(Sorry to double post.)
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