I'm certainly not as natural stupid as you.Chief thinks Ronaldo with his tap ins, penalties and single ballon d'or is up there with pele and maradona.
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There is no reason why he can't get there. You consistently underrate him as a player its untrue. You always make him out to be a more clinical version of Heskey with your descriptions of him.
Ronaldo has not matched Pele's dominance at club level? Are you for real?
That's harsh, he'll be remembered with the Ronaldo's and Ronaldinho's. People fail to understand that the reason why Messi is talked about as in the same category as Pele and Maradona is because of his outstanding achievements - first and foremost - and the outstanding quality of his performances. Outstanding being the key word here. Ronaldo's so far behind in both categories, but some clueless idiots think his tap ins and penalties amount to something outstanding.
Only blithering idiots think all Ronaldo does are tap in and penalties. Such statements are typical of people who hardly have a clue about football.
Who we talking about here? Renaldo?? We could never be talking about Cristiano Ronaldo.. Penalties and tap-ins.. Who's Barcelona's penalty taker again. Not starting another Messi v Ronaldo debate but if all your going to bring to the table is 'but some clueless idiots think his tap ins and penalties'. Might as well you air out your opinions with your dog.
Don't understand what you said, but calm down. You sound worked up.
Some idiots think he only scores tap ins and penalties. If scoring the volume of goals he has doesn't qualify as outstanding I'd like some of what you are drinking.
Ronaldo only scores tap-ins and penalties.
If goalscoring was such an easy job, there'd be many more players scoring 40 tap-ins a season.
He's a quality player, no doubt about that. Messi's on a different level though.
If goalscoring was such an easy job, there'd be many more players scoring 40 tap-ins a season.
He's a quality player, no doubt about that. Messi's on a different level though.
Some feel he could have contributed more and as the best player in the world, could have done more for his team's cause. Just because you think he did all he could and was the best player in the tournament, doesnt mean everybody has to think the same. Different people have different expectations of a player. To simply say you must not have watched him play then is childish.
Wait, Messi was the best player at WC 2010?!
Wait, Messi was the best player at WC 2010?!
Wasn't that Forlan?
If you don't agree you did not watch the WC.Wait, Messi was the best player at WC 2010?!
Agreed.
I didn't say he was the best player at the WC, I said he put in better performances than any player at the WC. There's a big difference, because personally I don't think his performances were enough to make him best player as he didn't have much substance to show for it with his team. I also feel he could have contributed more, but I was comparing his performances to his peers', not to what i expect of him, primarily because a lot of people were calling his performances average.
And the not watching him play charge was made first to a poster that said something completely false and that indicated they didn't watch, and then to posters that thought it ridiculous the notion that he played very well. I don't think those posters really watched, and that is a reasonable inference judging by what they said. I think you're the one being very childish by trying to twist my argument into "Messi was the best player at WC 2010 and if you don't think so you didn't watch him".
As for those that think saying Messi played very well at the WC is laughable, even Del Bosque shares that opinion. Again, I honestly feel posters that respond like that without any serious reasoning didn't really watch Messi, and I think that's a fair inference.
I must have misunderstood you then. Even in that case, i must say that for me, the likes of Forlan and Sneijder definitely put in better performances than Messi, leading their teams quite close to the title. For me, good performances and end product go hand in hand. Or atleast they're related enough for me to say Forlan and Sneijder put in comfortably better performances than Messi because his performances, good as they were, didnt result in anything. Personally, i cant really go as far as saying his performances were the best when he quite clearly contributed nothing when it came to end product.
I do agree that Messi was good though, far from average in general play.
I've always thought of Ronaldo as a very clinical version of Robben and poacher hybrid. Umpteen tricks, cut in and shoot, clinical finishing in the box. That type of a player cannot for me be in the same bracket as Pele, Maradona and Messi who have a much more rounded game.
I'm very happy I've seen both Messi and Ronaldo in the flesh, and I'm so happy I watch them week in week out without them playing for a direct rival.
All these comparisons between the two are so so boring. Who literally gives a shit. They're both extremely talented and they're both fantastic to watch. Messi was poor at the WC? Ronaldo only scores tap ins and penalties? Anyone saying these things needs to grow up. The fawning over some of these players as if you support them over the team is ridiculous.
They're both fantastic players. Up there with players like Rooney and Evans (ok that bit was to wind up Cina if he ever reads this)
All these comparisons between the two are so so boring. Who literally gives a shit. They're both extremely talented and they're both fantastic to watch. Messi was poor at the WC? Ronaldo only scores tap ins and penalties? Anyone saying these things needs to grow up. The fawning over some of these players as if you support them over the team is ridiculous.
They're both fantastic players. Up there with players like Rooney and Evans (ok that bit was to wind up Cina if he ever reads this)
"tap ins and penalties "
Where in the feck do you people come from?
Where in the feck do you people come from?
feck sake, Ronaldo was unlucky Messi was born in the same generation. Let us leave the fecking shit debate there.
Messi did great by helping that fan though, respect to him.
Messi did great by helping that fan though, respect to him.
Even shredding defenses nearly 20 years ago, amazing
I think Cal was one of the defenders.
First touch.
That's not a control, that's just catching the ball with your hands
today is his birthday, 25 years old
Getting on a bit. Dream may soon be over.
What would you do in order to be as good as messi was at 20, when you were 20? (Future growth depends on how much effort you put in etc) but yeah.
The fame, the millions. You're not on a contract and get to pick your club United?
He's living a dream; not surprised to hear he plays for fun!
The fame, the millions. You're not on a contract and get to pick your club
United? He's living a dream; not surprised to hear he plays for fun!
Past his best.
For fun and more than £10 million per year.
Incredible to think that's all he is, and that he may have a number of years ahead of him at his very best still.
He's not bad is Messi, but sadly he's past it at 25.
Is that for Argentina?
25 years old and still hasnt had one good match a cold and wet monday night at the Britannia. He needs to step up to the challenge soon, or he will go down as a flop.
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