Maradona was the best and so far nobody gets near him.
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Maradona was the best and so far nobody gets near him.
Messi is still the best in the game who is currently playing and imo, better than Pele and Maradona.
he missed a penalty, has happened to most players, most of the greats have done it. he had other chances saved, hit the post. Unlucky. What else was he supposed to do?!
he missed a penalty, has happened to most players, most of the greats have done it. he had other chances saved, hit the post. Unlucky. What else was he supposed to do?!
Yeap still BPITW despite what Ron does for the rest of the season or Euros.
But this does shows that he very much needs his team to perform to help me get those monster stats.
Also more than the pen, I thought his first half miss was worse, similar to Ron's against Bayern.
He was poor today, no other way about it. Testament to his ability that he still had a telling assist while being off his game.
Awful for the second time in a week.
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you really think that messi needs them crappy?
don't forget that with xavi and iniesta playing a really shitty season, messi managed to score over 60 goals
who needs them is barcelona, because without them two, messi can't do everything
had messi had good enough players, instead of the 20 or so assist he has, he could have reached over 30, but he doesnt pass the ball to great goal scorers as Cristiano or Higuain or Benzema
no, he has to pass it to cesk, tello, pedro, alexis
I should point out to Cal I'm refering to Luiz Ronaldo not the one he thinks 
I'd agree and his performances despite his team not being near the level of past years has been outstanding and imo he is carrying that team not the other way round.
Despite all that in the past three games he has set up a goal, hit the woodwork twice and had numerous chances and near assists. Testament that even off form he is still capable of a moment of brilliance.
I'd agree and his performances despite his team not being near the level of past years has been outstanding and imo he is carrying that team not the other way round.
Despite all that in the past three games he has set up a goal, hit the woodwork twice and had numerous chances and near assists. Testament that even off form he is still capable of a moment of brilliance.
Cuenca also had an assist.
Can't agree with that. He's a brilliant player still, but surely delivering when it counts for your team should weigh a lot?
So, is it a case of him being tired then?
I said it when he scored those five goals against Leverkusen that Guardiola was mental for not taking him off at half time when the tie was decided. So what, he wants to play every minute of every game? The manager should use his experience to see that he can't play his players every minute of every game just because they want to, because it'll be bad for them in the long run, and maybe that's what we're seeing now.
I said it when he scored those five goals against Leverkusen that Guardiola was mental for not taking him off at half time when the tie was decided. So what, he wants to play every minute of every game? The manager should use his experience to see that he can't play his players every minute of every game just because they want to, because it'll be bad for them in the long run, and maybe that's what we're seeing now.
I knew you wouldn't have the sense to see who I was referring to.
I'm no Messi fanboy but wtf?
Do you think Messi will pull similar stats in a Spurs side? I don't think so. May be in United or Real team but not any team in a tier below. He is yet to produce any where near that level of performance consistently for Argentina after all.
There seems to be a weird propaganda in last few weeks to try to paint all the Barca players as having a poor season bar Messi.
In any case, the problem is that current Barca set up is totally and completely about Messi. Nothing wrong with that since he is that good. But that does marginalise other players and beefs up Messi's numbers. Put him in a free wing role he had before 2008 and he would still score 40 goals but you will have others contributing as well.
He appears to be carrying the team because they are totally optimized to get the best out of him!I should point out to Cal I'm refering to Luiz Ronaldo not the one he thinks
I'd agree and his performances despite his team not being near the level of past years has been outstanding and imo he is carrying that team not the other way round.
Despite all that in the past three games he has set up a goal, hit the woodwork twice and had numerous chances and near assists. Testament that even off form he is still capable of a moment of brilliance.
You think Barca would be mid table without Messi? A better comparison. Let's take Messi out of Barca and put Ronaldo in. I think they will have to change their set up then but could easily be doing equally well. They have enough creative players to create and will Ronaldo to finish everything.
Got to have taken a toll on him AND his team mates. Even guys like xavi and iniesta were clearly not as sharp as they were a few months ago. They've been playing the most games in Europe compared to all the other clubs.
They ran out of gas against madrid midweek and they never looked at their best for the two legs against chelski either.
Absolutely , mind bogglingly horrendous today. He couldn't pass to a team mate, he couldn't shoot, he couldn't dribble. I've never seen him play this bad tbh.
Yes, I think in a lot of people's minds, they'll still regard Messi as the best no matter what Ronaldo achieves the rest of the season.
But if Ronaldo leads Real to the league and CL, plus performs well at the Euro 2012, then surely he deserves to be crowned World Player of the Year.
Yes definitely.
of course not, every great player did in a great team
do you think that iniesta, xavi, cristiano ronaldo, benzema, would make it in a shit team? or they would and only messi needs to be well surrounded?
not every player, but lets face it, xavi, iniesta, pedro, mascherano, pique and cesk are not playing as they can, on the other hand, busquets is doing really well, and so is alves
they lost Villa and sold Ibrahimovich
but, somehow, messi managed to have his best scoring season ever
yes, but messi alone scored more goals in la liga than 11 la liga teams
ffs!!! he scored more goals than Liverpool
So has Ronaldo, does not mean Jose is going to sacrifice everything to suit every facet of his game. He played him on the left against Bayern!of course not, every great player did in a great team
do you think that iniesta, xavi, cristiano ronaldo, benzema, would make it in a shit team? or they would and only messi needs to be well surrounded?
not every player, but lets face it, xavi, iniesta, pedro, mascherano, pique and cesk are not playing as they can, on the other hand, busquets is doing really well, and so is alves
they lost Villa and sold Ibrahimovich
but, somehow, messi managed to have his best scoring season ever
yes, but messi alone scored more goals in la liga than 11 la liga teams
ffs!!! he scored more goals than Liverpool
Barca sold Zlatan on their own accord. If they wanted they could have accommodated him but they did not want to strangle any part of Messi's game. Not a bad decision but then you can't cry about not having other finishers in the team or being too dependent on Messi. They have set it up so they will be dependent on him FFS!
Shame he didn't put in that kind of performance at Wembley...
i don't know, what about villa? barcelona missed him dearly
i still think that messi had three "not out of this world games"
but his season has been brilliant, and him alone made the difference to put barcelona in the semi and to fight till last sunday for la liga
anyway crappy, i dont think we will concur here
but that's football, right?
All I know now is that Messi is NOT the football God, and the real God looked really pissed last week because of people saying that...
It's all very well for god since he's made up like Roy of the Rovers, poor old Leo's got to deal with reality.
Had a big chance to score the penalty and win the tie and make people forget about his underpar performances in the last few big games.
Shit happens. I'm pretty sure Maradona missed big penalties and had crappy games (his game against us at Old Trafford comes to mind). But great players bounce back from setbacks. I'm sure he'll do the same.
Shit happens. I'm pretty sure Maradona missed big penalties and had crappy games (his game against us at Old Trafford comes to mind). But great players bounce back from setbacks. I'm sure he'll do the same.
Did someone make Messi wear an Argentina jersey under his Barca kit the last few games?
We didn't allow him to by the tactics we employed which suited the Barca team to the tee.
As for Messi last night, very very shoddy. He played a part in the goal which was to be expected given he's given a role which means he'll be involved if something productive happens but his passing was terrible at times. And he seemed intent on running through Chelsea when it was clearly counter productive.
He's obviously a great player. But he's lost his touch at the real crunch period of the season and bottled a penalty which would have put them one foot into the final.
He has had 3 very bad games in 3 very important matches. 3 matches in which his team needed him most. All at club level. He is still young in his career to be put in that class.
No one sad he isn't a great player. We just don't agree with the view that he has caught Pele and Maradona yet.
Furthermore what is the true bullshit rather is his club stats always being used to promote the dumb view he is in that class already. He simply isn't yet. His international career is proof enough. Last night simply proved what some of us have been saying for ages. He has a few years to go before he gets there. When he gets to age 27 the last 2 weeks of 3 bag big games in a row he has had will never be unlikely to happen when he is fit like he has been.
Read the thread from start to finish and you will grasp what I mean.
That last bit is complete bullshit.
So Maradonna and Pele never had three poor games in a row once they turned 27? Nonsense.
All footballers have ups and downs in form. Even the very best ever. Messi is showing the effects of a long season and looks a little flat. He was still the player most likely to make something happen though. Which speaks volumes about how good he really is.
So Maradonna and Pele never had three poor games in a row once they turned 27? Nonsense.
All footballers have ups and downs in form. Even the very best ever. Messi is showing the effects of a long season and looks a little flat. He was still the player most likely to make something happen though. Which speaks volumes about how good he really is.
I think he is saying they never had 3 poor games in a row when all 3 games were title/cup deciders or knock-outs.
I have no idea if that is true or not.
Also a tough stick to beat Messi with but it does oddly take some shine off what is his best season yet. Let's see how he responds to this blip. Would be funny if he upped his level next season due to the disappointment in this.
I'm willing to bet they both did. Zidane had some weak knockout games. Maradona got sent vs Brazil in a World Cup...obviously didn't play to his level in European Cups as consistently either.
Like I said in the other thread or here maybe, Messis downfall is the heightened expectations and worldwide coverage on him, it's as much of a hindrance to him as it is good for him.
Like I said in the other thread or here maybe, Messis downfall is the heightened expectations and worldwide coverage on him, it's as much of a hindrance to him as it is good for him.
Also was wondering why he was playing so deep. He seemed to always be coming deep and trying to take on the defence but by that time there was so many Chelsea players back.
In both legs I think he was sick/injured. He just didn't look his sparky self.
In both legs I think he was sick/injured. He just didn't look his sparky self.
Well, isn't that convenient.
Messi is living in a different era so has to suffer pros and cons of that era only. The world wide coverage he gets has brought him acclaim much sooner it would have in the past. At that point he would have really needed to perform in the WC to get similar coverage. Now the same coverage is going to meticulously stalk his every move on a football pitch and even off it.
Messi is a brilliant player in one of the best teams ever who play for him and rightly so. Ronaldo is a brilliant player in a very good team who try play for him also. Both brilliant but I think anybody saying Messi is greatest ever need to be real at this stage (he might go on and prove to be) but I think there is an argument for Ronaldo to be crowned the best in the world ATM. Both phenomenal regardless.
Exactly......which means that no one, ever from this point is going to get in the Pele-Maradona debate for some, which is just stupid. They are basically judging those two from word of mouth as much as anything, maybe 10-20 games, whereas Messi, they are judging him from 200-300+ games by the time he's careers done.
Fair? Not really, but that's how people work. Basically a player will have to be consistent every game, and up his level every big game, it's impossible in every era, not just his one. Maradona, Pele, Di Stefano, Best, Cryuff, they all had games(and in a row of importance) when they didn't do so much compared to their usual standards.
Fair? Not really, but that's how people work. Basically a player will have to be consistent every game, and up his level every big game, it's impossible in every era, not just his one. Maradona, Pele, Di Stefano, Best, Cryuff, they all had games(and in a row of importance) when they didn't do so much compared to their usual standards.
Zen Messi/Ronaldo are unbelievable no doubt but if their careers ended tmrw I would not place either them up in the Pele/Maradona bracket they have a bit to go but they have time on their side. Maradona in a months period won the WC almost single handed that was sensational he was such a force and Pele won Wc's and scored over a 1000 goals. Thats only my objective opinion I have no axe to grind with Messi/Ronaldo.
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