Messi wont win the world cup, Ronaldo will become pele....
You are seriously deluded. I've never seen anything from ROnaldo (due to my Ronaldo blindness) that makes me think he is like Pele, not the creativity, not the ease of playing and not even the productivity. He has had one season of exeptional productivity once he hit the age of 23, try being that productive from 17 right until you are 30 odds and i'll begin comparing him to Pele. Until then (which can't happen anyway) you really shouldn't compare him to Pele, he isnt and never will be that good.
You are the one who is deluded. No one else. Ronaldo has already proven in the last 3 years he is
begining to
emulate Pele. & if he keeps his current rate up he
might get there. It's obvious to all except you.
And it's obvious you don't get what begining or emulating is.
In additon your claim he he has had only one season of exceptional productivity is beyond stupid. Like his 2007 season and the one before that never happened. Typical of your anti Ronaldo stance.
Lastly, you dare to call me deluded, yet want to make everyone else believe Messi is capable of surpassing Maradona. A player capable of inspiring a mere Napoli to a Serie A title. In the toughest league on the planet at the time. Yet Messi couldn't inspire a club of Barcelona's stature to one title last year. Or the year before. Ever since the fall of Ronaldinho....
You really need to wake up from dream land pal.
You laugh at Messi scoring 5 in the champions league, you laugh at him scoring 1.5 goals every 90mins in the champions league yet against Alborg, celtic and villareal Pele, i mean Ronaldo hasn't scored a goal?
It's you I've been lauging at not Messi! That should have been obvious by now.
You waxing lyrical about Messi's MOTM exploits in this season's champions league against the likes of Fc Basle, Sporting Lisbon and Shatkar then at the same time dissing Ronaldo for having MOTM performances against sides like Villareal, Cetic and Stoke City. That's shamefull really.
But wait, he's been injured and he's only played about 15 games this season, he needs another 10 or 20 to hit top form...
Only you could come up with such a weak argument. That's for sure.
As for Sporting Lisbon, widely regarded as one of the best youth developers in the world. Your logic is bizarre, in your eyes anyone not developed by a big club like Barca has much less of a chance of making it as a player?
Rather in your deluded logic. It's not remotely debatable that a player would develop far better in a youth set up, with better coaches that a big club like Barca can provide, than at a Sporting Lisbon.
But in your mad mind it is. That is why you've invented the even crazier idea that anyone said that "anyone not developed by a big club like Barca has much less of a chance of making it as a player"
What sort of shit is that? Players can develop anywhere if they are good enough. Messi played for his home club in argentina before moving to Barcelona. They saw his talent and took him in to help pay for treatment for him because they saw what he could do, they didn't just take him and make him the player he is. They saw him play for 2mins and signed him such was his talent.
FFS. You really are clueless. They nutured his talents better than a smaller club like a Lisbon ever could have. Do you know what that means? Or are you so dumb as to think nuturing means turning someone with nothing into a walking bag of talent?
Messi wont go to Napoli, why would he? I can't see him leaving Barca for a start because i think he has a little loyalty to them. Only if what happens with Ronaldinho happens with him will he go.
Then it should begin to dawn on you why he is unlikely to ever greater than Maradona. But I'm not holding my breath for that..
Your argument revolves around Messi being at Barcelona and this being the reason he is the player he is. The luxury of playing for Barca basically The ease at which all the young players break into the side.that Pique left, that many players have left of genuine quality because it is so easy to break into the team as a talented young player.The same side that Fabregas left
It never has been and never will be. Only you could create such a dumbed down version of my arguments.
My argument was very clear and very simple:
Messi got a better start than Ronaldo. But Ronaldo is currently very much ahead of him and is still getting better. So assuming that Messi will suddenly overtake Ronaldo's rate of developement is a falacy. After all, Ronaldo never had as good a starting point as Messi did. Yet he has currently surpassed him.
To illustrate this point further, Ronaldo moved from a small club, for a large fee for a teenager, to a big club to replace a first team star while still a very raw and inexperienced player. Expected to both fight for his place with top proffesionals, while being expected to met the expectation of him replacing his preddcessor well. But once placed in a better coaching environment than what he had at Lisbon , he made rapid progression, and within the 3 years since, he is now oficially considered the world's best.
Messi on he other hand, was at Barcelona from age 12. Meaning from such a young age his talent had access to some of the best coaching possible for it. Reached age 17, having no tranfser fee attached to his back, handed a chance to stake claim for a first team place, at big club, a club with a consistent history and culture of given talented players from it's youth ranks genuine first team chances. Yet despite all this. He isn't officially recognised as the best player in the world.
And Keep to your self this bollocks that I'm allegedly reffering to "The ease at which all the young players break into the side". Because it has zero to do with ease. But everything to do with the culture of Barcelona. The culture of giving genuine first team chances to their talented youth products, Always. Valdes, Puyol, Xavi , Iniesta, Busquets, Bojan and Messi of the current Barcelona side are all proof of this. So are past players like Dos Santos , Giovanni, Oleguer (now at Hull) , Reina (now at Liverpool) and Simao back in the day etc. All breaking into the side between the ages of 17 and 21. Given a decent squad status or in some cases proper first team places. Which has had zilch to do with it being easy. Or even them being special talents like Messi. It's just the clubs culture. Plain and simple. Thus it is not a slight on Messi's talent what soever to say this aided him. But to bury your head in the sand and pretend it had no hand in Messi's current progression is utterly stupid. It just shows you are beyond biased when it comes to matters concerning him.
Heck I like Messi far more than I like Ronaldo as player. But my love for Messi will never blind me to the truth. Ronaldo is better than him. & still improving at an astounding rate. It won't be easy for Messi to ever surpass Ronaldo. & it's even possible it might never even occur. A manager like SAF is no fool when he tells you the boy is headed for the heights of Pele and Maradona. So you keep fooling your self and think Messi is the only one who will get there. You will be in for hell of a nasty surprise.
