Lionel Messi

[LizardKing]

At the end of the day, they're both fantastic players with the chance to go down as two of the greatest to play the game.

Ronaldo's further along the road to that status at this moment in time.

 

[B Cantona]

Ronaldo can do it any league in the world and on the big stage. Could messi do it in the premiership? I think he's be a great player but at a quicker pace would he find the room. Would he be strong enough to take the kicks?

Out of interest, how did you decide Ronaldo could do it in any league in the World, but that Messi might only be able to do it in Spain or other non-English leagues?!

Could Messi do it in the Premiership? Of course he could. As good a player as Dean Marney is, I reckon Messi might have a little success against his like. Would the quicker pace do for him? Probably not, given he'd probably have the quickest feet in the league. Would he be strong enough to take the kicks? Well he's proved he can in Spain, where Ronaldo just found out against Villerreal, this myth the Spanish league is softer and kinder to players of 'skill' is nonsense. I've not seen a top English side go about Ronaldo the way Madrid went about Messi recently, though I guess that could change

Tell you what though. if Diarra is worth TWENTY million, bugger knows how much it would cost to buy either of these

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

At the end of the day, they're both fantastic players with the chance to go down as two of the greatest to play the game.

Ronaldo's further along the road to that status at this moment in time.

Bingo

 

[FranklyVulgar]

My argument was very clear and very simple:

Messi got a better start than Ronaldo. But Ronaldo is currently very much ahead of him and is still getting better. So assuming that Messi will suddenly overtake Ronaldo's rate of developement is a falacy. After all, Ronaldo never had as good a starting point as Messi did. Yet he has currently surpassed him.

To illustrate this point further, Ronaldo moved from a small club, for a large fee for a teenager, to a big club to replace a first team star while still a very raw and inexperienced player. Expected to both fight for his place with top proffesionals, while being expected to met the expectation of him replacing his preddcessor well. But once placed in a better coaching environment than what he had at Lisbon , he made rapid progression, and within the 3 years since, he is now oficially considered the world's best.

Messi on he other hand, was at Barcelona from age 12. Meaning from such a young age his talent had access to some of the best coaching possible for it. Reached age 17, having no tranfser fee attached to his back, handed a chance to stake claim for a first team place, at big club, a club with a consistent history and culture of given talented players from it's youth ranks genuine first team chances. Yet despite all this. He isn't officially recognised as the best player in the world.

And Keep to your self this bollocks that I'm allegedly reffering to "The ease at which all the young players break into the side". Because it has zero to do with ease. But everything to do with the culture of Barcelona. The culture of giving genuine first team chances to their talented youth products, Always. Valdes, Puyol, Xavi , Iniesta, Busquets, Bojan and Messi of the current Barcelona side are all proof of this. So are past players like Dos Santos , Giovanni, Oleguer (now at Hull) , Reina (now at Liverpool) and Simao back in the day etc. All breaking into the side between the ages of 17 and 21. Given a decent squad status or in some cases proper first team places. Which has had zilch to do with it being easy. Or even them being special talents like Messi. It's just the clubs culture. Plain and simple. Thus it is not a slight on Messi's talent what soever to say this aided him. But to bury your head in the sand and pretend it had no hand in Messi's current progression is utterly stupid. It just shows you are beyond biased when it comes to matters concerning him.

Heck I like Messi far more than I like Ronaldo as player. But my love for Messi will never blind me to the truth. Ronaldo is better than him. & still improving at an astounding rate. It won't be easy for Messi to ever surpass Ronaldo. & it's even possible it might never even occur. A manager like SAF is no fool when he tells you the boy is headed for the heights of Pele and Maradona. So you keep fooling your self and think Messi is the only one who will get there. You will be in for hell of a nasty surprise.

I whole heartedly disagree with you.

You compare a debatable Ronaldo being MOTM in 3 games, none of which he was actually MOTM with Messi who has been MOTM in about 10 games and a stand out in these games.

You laugh at Sportings credentials as a club that develope players like João Moutinho, Miguel Veloso, Yannick Djaló, Bruno Pereirinha, Rui Patrício, Adrien Silva, Daniel Carriço and Marco Caneira in their current squad as well as Luís Figo, Cristiano Ronaldo and Nani all being developed by Sporting.

Fair enough barca are the best at giving youth a chance and they do give youth a chance but if you are not good enough you don't last long. Basically alot of the players you mentioned didnt make it.

You claim Ronaldo will always be better than messi and that ROnaldo as a player is still developing at an astounding rate and that it might not be possible for Messi to ever surpass him. Despite Messi being head and shoulders above him this season, despite messi being 3 years younger. Despite Messi looking the more likely to win his domestic league and being favourite for the champions league already, despite him having a chance of winning an international tournament and every possible chance of winning many personal accolades.

You use Fergies words that Ronaldo is up their with Pele and Maradona, fair enough. Use the worlds of just about any retired fooballer, player, legend or anyone else and you will find words about Messi. Capello, Lippi, Maradona, Cryuff or any players playing who throw around their honest opinions.

Maybe it depends how you like to see a player play and from Ronaldo this season he hasnt looked like the "BPITW" by a long way, Guillem Balague was right when he said Ronaldo hasn't even been a top 3 or 5 player this season.

But sure enough he is right on course to being regarded as the next Pele. Yes i am deluded for thinking otherwise....

 

[FranklyVulgar]

If that's the case then Frank's lost it, completely lost it.

I haven't been reading the past 100 or so posts because there's just too much to read, not sure how you do it.

Chief thinks i think Messi will be better than Maradona. I've never said that, he has a chance of it and more of a realistic chance than Ronaldo being anywhere near Pele which is his current belief on the matter.

I never said Messi would be a better player than Maradona, i said he could achieve more in terms of what he wins as a player but i never said he would surpass him. I think he could surpass him. Messi is still 21, who knows what the future holds. If anything he's the closest people will ever see to a player of simelar qualities to Maradona.

Anyway, i've clearly lost it.

 

[Rooney17]

Can someone tell me again why we have a 26-page long "Messi" thread in the caf? Seems like there's a lot of closet Barca fans in here.

 

[MehdiMahdavikia]

All of that post by Red Chief is utterly uninformed, leave it Frankly because he's a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime whose arguements make little sense and will never admit he's wrong, in fact he'll contradict himself several times in one paragraph. For example he lists Geovanni as an example of a Barcelona youth player, when he was a striker they bought when when he was in his early twenties and never played, Reina is a piss poor example as well for the arguement he's making considering he was a promising goal keeper who couldn't get a game with them. Simao didn't really get a fair chance either and it took Iniesta ages to break through compared to Sporting who regularly field sides filled with former youth team players.

I don't really understand his arguement that Roaldo is clearly better, I'd say Ronaldo hasn't improved that much since he was young other than his compsure. He still has quiet games, his passing at times is woeful, his freekicks and long distance shooting are embarrasing most of time, Messi constantly seems to improve the subtle sides of his game like how well he strikes a football, his movement off the ball and his influlence in games when he knows he'll be tightly marked. Yesterdays game was a good example, he didn't need to beat players, just make good passes, track back, keep the ball moving forward and other players will find space to score. A post Spammy made about Henry sums up Ronaldo, yeah he's pretty good but just because he scored thirty goals against the tatically clueless defences in the Premier League doesn't make him an incredible footballer and to compare to him to the most naturally gifted and aware footballer to appear in 20 years is a joke. Ronaldo's a worse player than Rooney or Xavi in my opinion, he's nothing compared to Messi and never will be.

A lanky Portugese winger who can't shoot properly and just runs around the pitch with feck all positional sense isn't better than Messi, that's like saying Steven Gerrard is better than Zidane. Gerrard also scored way more than Zidane.

 

[FranklyVulgar]

Can someone tell me again why we have a 26-page long "Messi" thread in the caf? Seems like there's a lot of closet Barca fans in here.

Because he is that good, and that much of a threat to United fans who can't get enough of Ronaldo.

 

[Escobar]

All of that post by Red Chief is utterly uninformed, leave it Frankly because he's a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime whose arguements make little sense and will never admit he's wrong, in fact he'll contradict himself several times in one paragraph. For example he lists Geovanni as an example of a Barcelona youth player, when he was a striker they bought when when he was in his early twenties and never played, Reina is a piss poor example as well for the arguement he's making considering he was a promising goal keeper who couldn't get a game with them. Simao didn't really get a fair chance either and it took Iniesta ages to break through compared to Sporting who regularly field sides filled with former youth team players.

I don't really understand his arguement that Roaldo is clearly better, I'd say Ronaldo hasn't improved that much since he was young other than his compsure. He still has quiet games, his passing at times is woeful, his freekicks and long distance shooting are embarrasing most of time, Messi constantly seems to improve the subtle sides of his game like how well he strikes a football, his movement off the ball and his influlence in games when he knows he'll be tightly marked. Yesterdays game was a good example, he didn't need to beat players, just make good passes, track back, keep the ball moving forward and other players will find space to score. A post Spammy made about Henry sums up Ronaldo, yeah he's pretty good but just because he scored thirty goals against the tatically clueless defences in the Premier League doesn't make him an incredible footballer and to compare to him to the most naturally gifted and aware footballer to appear in 20 years is a joke. Ronaldo's a worse player than Rooney or Xavi in my opinion, he's nothing compared to Messi and never will be.

A lanky Portugese winger who can't shoot properly and just runs around the pitch with feck all positional sense isn't better than Messi, that's like saying Steven Gerrard is better than Zidane. Gerrard also scored way more than Zidane.

You are joking, right? Otherwise you would be clueless

 

[Escobar]

Because he is that good, and that much of a threat to United fans who can't get enough of Ronaldo.

You are Remy in disguise, arent you?

 

[Brwned]

Chief thinks i think Messi will be better than Maradona. I've never said that, he has a chance of it and more of a realistic chance than Ronaldo being anywhere near Pele which is his current belief on the matter.

I never said Messi would be a better player than Maradona, i said he could achieve more in terms of what he wins as a player but i never said he would surpass him. I think he could surpass him. Messi is still 21, who knows what the future holds. If anything he's the closest people will ever see to a player of simelar qualities to Maradona.

Anyway, i've clearly lost it.

He might be.

The thing is you act too certain about how good he will become when you shouldn't be.

Injuries could easily ruin him.

Oh, and I said 'if that's the case', you've clearly lost it. You clearly haven't though.

 

[IhabX7]

what a clueless post MM.

 

[Brwned]

A lanky Portugese winger who can't shoot properly and just runs around the pitch with feck all positional sense...

You're not serious?

Do you think it's just luck that he constantly gets into goalscoring positions?

 

[Rooney17]

Because he is that good, and that much of a threat to United fans who can't get enough of Ronaldo.

When Mourinho came out recently and said that Zlatan is a better player than Ronaldo is, a lot of posters in here reacted and said how stupid and foolish Mourinho is for saying such a thing. I personally there's nothing wrong with that since Inter Milan is his current club and you always stick with your club. It's basically putting your "own" players in the limelight and giving them praise.

In this case, I'm surprised how a lot of "Man Utd fans" rate Messi a lot higher than Ronaldo. I acknowledge they're both good players, but since I love this club more than anything else, I always stick to my players and consider them the world's best, and that's why for me Ronaldo is the BPITW, and the same goes for Rooney, etc. Heck, on good days, I would even consider John O'Shea a world class payer, such is the bias I have on the players of this club. It's just surprising to see how "fans" in here defend their position that Messi is the better player. So what? He is not a Man Utd player, and that's why for me, he will never be better than Ronaldo or Rooney (or John O'Shea).

 

[surf]

Mehdi, do you even watch Ronaldo play for Manchester United?

 

[vijay]

I don't really understand his arguement that Roaldo is clearly better, I'd say Ronaldo hasn't improved that much since he was young other than his compsure. He still has quiet games, his passing at times is woeful, his freekicks and long distance shooting are embarrasing most of time, Messi constantly seems to improve the subtle sides of his game like how well he strikes a football, his movement off the ball and his influlence in games when he knows he'll be tightly marked. Yesterdays game was a good example, he didn't need to beat players, just make good passes, track back, keep the ball moving forward and other players will find space to score. A post Spammy made about Henry sums up Ronaldo, yeah he's pretty good but just because he scored thirty goals against the tatically clueless defences in the Premier League doesn't make him an incredible footballer and to compare to him to the most naturally gifted and aware footballer to appear in 20 years is a joke. Ronaldo's a worse player than Rooney or Xavi in my opinion, he's nothing compared to Messi and never will be.

A lanky Portugese winger who can't shoot properly and just runs around the pitch with feck all positional sense isn't better than Messi, that's like saying Steven Gerrard is better than Zidane. Gerrard also scored way more than Zidane.

Some valid points about Henry but still its not your own though. You choose to credit that blinkered Scouser when it was Vijay who originally unearthed those concepts.

Nonetheless your opinions about Ronaldo are blinkered. He's no Roberto Baggio but for a player who plays in a free attacking role behind the striker, only a tosser would bother bringing in positional sense in to the equation and ridiculing him over that. If not for his positional sense, and finding space in the last line of defence our Ronaldo wouldn't have scored so much mind.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

All of that post by Red Chief is utterly uninformed, leave it Frankly because he's a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime whose arguements make little sense and will never admit he's wrong, in fact he'll contradict himself several times in one paragraph. For example he lists Geovanni as an example of a Barcelona youth player, when he was a striker they bought when when he was in his early twenties and never played, Reina is a piss poor example as well for the arguement he's making considering he was a promising goal keeper who couldn't get a game with them. Simao didn't really get a fair chance either and it took Iniesta ages to break through compared to Sporting who regularly field sides filled with former youth team players..

Why do you open your mouth when you are an utter know nothing? First of your so stupid you couldn't even get any of my arguments properly. You seem to have this moronic idea I was simply talking about first team football. Which is not even close anything I said.

Worse still you start lying about Simao, Iniesta and Reina.

1) Reina made 11 and 19 La Liga appearances for Barcelona when he wasn't even that special a talent, between 2000 and 2002. . So much for Reina being a "a piss poor example: of Barcelona youth getting a fair first team chance and " a promising goal keeper who couldn't get a game with them"

2) Iniesta made his Barcelona debut at 18. And has been a proper member of the first team squad ever. Another classic example of Barcelona's culture of giving talented youth from their lower ranks a chance..


3) Simao made 21 and 25 La Liga appearances in his short time there .So much for not getting "a fair chance:"


You really are a clueless moron that's for sure.

I don't really understand his arguement that Roaldo is clearly better, I'd say Ronaldo hasn't improved that much since he was young other than his compsure. He still has quiet games, his passing at times is woeful, his freekicks and long distance shooting are embarrasing most of time,

This above sumarises nicely the depth of your stupidity. You are truly certifiable.

Messi constantly seems to improve the subtle sides of his game like how well he strikes a football, his movement off the ball and his influlence in games when he knows he'll be tightly marked. Yesterdays game was a good example, he didn't need to beat players, just make good passes, track back, keep the ball moving forward and other players will find space to score.

You really don't have the slightest clue. Messi is by and large the same player he was when he broke out. Only more experienced and some what stronger. Everything he does now he did when he first broke out. He hasn't improved by much neither has he needed to improve. He has always been tight marked so it's utter bollocks to claim he now handles it better. In addition Ronaldo is clearly 4 times the player he was when he first showed up at OT. But trust such obvious truths to be lost on a natural fool like you.

That is merely your opinion and your opinion will never count any. For you don't have the slightest clue about anything other than displaying your ignorance and stupidity.

A lanky Portugese winger who can't shoot properly and just runs around the pitch with feck all positional sense isn't better than Messi, that's like saying Steven Gerrard is better than Zidane. Gerrard also scored way more than Zidane.

You really are beyond help. Only you could come up with the idea that a player who has scored 85 goals over the past 3 years and has 38 assists, in a side with no natural goal scorer apart from himself (No Eto'o or Henry as partners)
" can't shoot properly and just runs around the pitch with feck all positional sense" and is a player " who's passing is often woeful and has embarrassing long distance shooting. A player who has consistently having amongst the highest shots on target ratio for the past 3 season in the premiership.

Really nothing more need to be said about you. Your posts say it all.

 

[kouroux]

Because he is that good, and that much of a threat to United fans who can't get enough of Ronaldo.

Must be one of the most stupid posts ever. You're the one contributing the most in this thread and yet you accuse other people

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

I whole heartedly disagree with you.

You compare a debatable Ronaldo being MOTM in 3 games, none of which he was actually MOTM with Messi who has been MOTM in about 10 games and a stand out in these games.

Bullshit. You are fooling no one. I never talked of 10 games. Neither did I talk of all Messi's games. I'm not as stupid as you to do that.

I pointed out rather, your obvious bias against Ronaldo. When he is man of the match in a game, you always have one excuse after another to dismiss it. But when it is Messi, in the same type of game, against the same type of opponents (Basle, Lisbon, Shaktar as compared to Villareal, Celtic and Stoke) Messi was unequivocally stupendous.

Your bias is even more clear when you talk of last season. To you all Ronaldo did was score 42 goals. In your eyes, he did nothing but score. he wasn't a threat or an asset in any other ways. While Messi was seemingly pulling up trees and "proved he was the superior player" in their one off meeting.

You laugh at Sportings credentials as a club that develope players like João Moutinho, Miguel Veloso, Yannick Djaló, Bruno Pereirinha, Rui Patrício, Adrien Silva, Daniel Carriço and Marco Caneira in their current squad as well as Luís Figo, Cristiano Ronaldo and Nani all being developed by Sporting.

More Bullshit. I haven't any where laughed at the set up at Sporting. I've simply stated the obvious fact that quality talent they usually groom is better nurtured by the better coaches and facilities that a big club like Barcelona has. Quit attributing your own dumb ass ideas to me.

Fair enough barca are the best at giving youth a chance and they do give youth a chance but if you are not good enough you don't last long. Basically alot of the players you mentioned didnt make it.

That's wasn't the issue was it? The issue was you denying Messi had any benefit from being at Barcelona, or their culture of giving a chance to talented youth they had groomed. Even youth with talent no where near as good as Messi's. And that Messi as a result didn't have a comparatively better path to first team football than Ronaldo did at United.

You claim Ronaldo will always be better than messi

I've made no such claim. I instead said " Ronaldo is better than him. & still improving at an astounding rate. (Thus) It won't be easy for Messi to ever surpass Ronaldo. & it's even possible it might never even occur."

Quit putting your own words in my mouth.

and that ROnaldo as a player is still developing at an astounding rate and that it might not be possible for Messi to ever surpass him. Despite Messi being head and shoulders above him this season, despite messi being 3 years younger. Despite Messi looking the more likely to win his domestic league and being favourite for the champions league already, despite him having a chance of winning an international tournament and every possible chance of winning many personal accolades.

I really havent read dumber logic in a while.

1) So what if Messi is 3 years younger? He has hardly improved since he broke out 3 years ago. In comparison Ronaldo is 4 times the player he was when he broke out. And is still showing signs of improving. Without even being on top form he already has 8 goals and 3 assist to his name this year. Meaning even now he is becoming more able to make an impact even without top form, which he used to struggle to do.

2) So what if currently Messi looks more likely to win his domestic title? Or early champions league favorites? The season isn't about to end. Ronaldo and his club still have every chance of wining their league and retaining their Champions league trophy and more. It's still even possible for Messi to still finish this season trophyless. The season is young yet.

2) Furthermore this talk of him winning an international title is laughable. He totally failed to make an impact in a Copa America final against a 3rd XI Brazilian side and hails from a country that has not looked any closer to wining a world cup since Maradona retired. Even with better squads than his nation currently has.

3) Lastly, Personal accolades. The season is young yet. He has made a bright start. But he can be overtaken. He is not the only one on flame ATM. You have this idea it can't happen and he can't possible be caught.

You use Fergies words that Ronaldo is up their with Pele and Maradona, fair enough. Use the worlds of just about any retired fooballer, player, legend or anyone else and you will find words about Messi. Capello, Lippi, Maradona, Cryuff or any players playing who throw around their honest opinions.

So according to you Fergie is liar ? You want to honestly make us all believe only Fergie has been singing Ronaldo's praises?

Maybe it depends how you like to see a player play and from Ronaldo this season he hasnt looked like the "BPITW" by a long way, Guillem Balague was right when he said Ronaldo hasn't even been a top 3 or 5 player this season.

So what? Ronaldo has already proven what he can do and isn't on top form. While Messi is. But some you think Messi being in more form than Ronaldo suddenly makes him the better player. Some how erasing the fact that in the past 3 years Ronaldo has proven the better of the 2 while both where in fine form.

But sure enough he is right on course to being regarded as the next Pele. Yes i am deluded for thinking otherwise....

Yes you are. Because you seem to think Messi and Ronaldo only started playing football this season. That the last 3 years don't count at all. and that all Ronaldo did last year is score goals and will not improve much anymore while Messi will improve tremendously because he is 3 years younger.

 

[Brwned]

So what if Messi is 3 years younger? He has hardly improved since he broke out 3 years ago.

So he was always one of the best players in the world then?

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

So he was always one of the best players in the world then?

Yes. But Ronaldo over took him due to an incredible rate of improvement and progression. Adding so much to his game. While Messi has added very little, because he has had little to add. & once you factor in Ronaldo's physical advantges, if his rate of all round improvement continues, by the time he reaches full maturity aged 25-26 (because even now he still shows signs of immaturity in his game), it's not hard to imagine that Messi might not be able to catch him or how good he could become. Seeing that Messi, as I said earlier, doesn't have much to add, having been ultra mature from day one of his top class competition life. Yet not as blessed physically.

 

[Brwned]

Yes. But Ronaldo over took him due to an incredibly rate of improvement. Adding so much to his game. While Messi has added very little, because he has had little to add. & once you factor in Ronaldo's physical advantges, if his rate of all round improvement continues, by the time he reaches full maturity aged 25-26, it's not had to imagine that Messi might not be able to catch him or how good he could become. Seeing that Messi as I said earlier doesn't have much to add, having been ulta mature from day one of his top class competetion life.

But he wasn't. He wasn't even close to being one of the best players in the world when he first broke through.

How do you know Ronaldo hasn't reached his peak now though?

And Messi still has plenty he can add to, there's still massive room for improvement.

 

[ecantona7]

All of that post by Red Chief is utterly uninformed, leave it Frankly because he's a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime whose arguements make little sense and will never admit he's wrong, in fact he'll contradict himself several times in one paragraph. For example he lists Geovanni as an example of a Barcelona youth player, when he was a striker they bought when when he was in his early twenties and never played, Reina is a piss poor example as well for the arguement he's making considering he was a promising goal keeper who couldn't get a game with them. Simao didn't really get a fair chance either and it took Iniesta ages to break through compared to Sporting who regularly field sides filled with former youth team players.

I don't really understand his arguement that Roaldo is clearly better, I'd say Ronaldo hasn't improved that much since he was young other than his compsure. He still has quiet games, his passing at times is woeful, his freekicks and long distance shooting are embarrasing most of time, Messi constantly seems to improve the subtle sides of his game like how well he strikes a football, his movement off the ball and his influlence in games when he knows he'll be tightly marked. Yesterdays game was a good example, he didn't need to beat players, just make good passes, track back, keep the ball moving forward and other players will find space to score. A post Spammy made about Henry sums up Ronaldo, yeah he's pretty good but just because he scored thirty goals against the tatically clueless defences in the Premier League doesn't make him an incredible footballer and to compare to him to the most naturally gifted and aware footballer to appear in 20 years is a joke. Ronaldo's a worse player than Rooney or Xavi in my opinion, he's nothing compared to Messi and never will be.

A lanky Portugese winger who can't shoot properly and just runs around the pitch with feck all positional sense isn't better than Messi, that's like saying Steven Gerrard is better than Zidane. Gerrard also scored way more than Zidane.

They'd both shit all over the player that is Mehdi Mahdavikia. Why the feck would you him as your username? The fact that you put him as your username shows that you know feck all about football.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

But he wasn't. He wasn't even close to being one of the best players in the world when he first broke through.

That is you opinion. Not mine.

How do you know Ronaldo hasn't reached his peak now though?

Because he is till showing signs of improving. Players at their peak don't get better. They just perform at the same top level.

And Messi still has plenty he can add to, there's still massive room for improvement.

If you really think so, please name the areas he needs improvement in. Bearing in mind his size, physique and style.

 

[vijay]

They'd both shit all over the player that is Mehdi Mahdavikia. Why the feck would you him as your username? The fact that you put him as your username shows that you know feck all about football.

He can be that Iranian footballer himself.

Apparently he should know more about than many around here.

 

[ecantona7]

He can be that Iranian footballer himself.

Apparently he should know more about than many around here.

He's not. The Iranian Footballer doesn't speak english, but nice try.

 

[B20]

plenty for messi to improve. Shooting and passing range, he is not exactly Michael Laudrup in the vision department either (although Laudrup developed that quite a lot himself as he matured).

 

[Brwned]

That is you opinion. Not mine.

Because he is till showing signs of improving. Players at their peak don't get better. They just perform at the same top level.

If you really think so, please name the areas he needs improvement in. Bearing in mind his size, physique and style.

It's the opinion of many. No-one ever rated him as highly as he is now when he first broke through.

He is? Since when? He's shown no signs of improvement this season.

Shooting, finishing, his weaker foot, crossing, movement and an understanding of where to be in the box the score goals. His passing still has room for improvement, especially his long passing.

There is big improvement to be made in his shooting and his general understanding of the game off the ball.

Where does Ronaldo need to improve?

 

[vijay]

plenty for messi to improve. Shooting and passing range, he is not exactly Michael Laudrup in the vision department either (although Laudrup developed that quite a lot himself as he matured).

Laudrup's problem was more to his temperament, not quality, even in his Juventus and Lazio days when he was more loonier, he was still able to create and score for himself effortlessly.

He had everything but was always half arsed it also reflected on the manner he conducted himself on the pitch. He didnt pick a single booking for once through out his career even when he was consistently hacked and unlike Figo he gave a flying feck even when he moved over from Barca to Madrid. Platini in his Juventus days once said Laudrup was better even than him during trainings but turned up on the pitch only if he was intrested.


As for Messi, he dosent need to improve his shooting as he's already a great finisher but improve on using his weaker foot better and try scoring from set pieces. I've watched him play almost every other time he steps on the pitch the only match he got tactically outclassed was last season against Getafe incidentally managed by Laudrup himself, when they organized a defensive line preventing him from cutting inside and forced him to reach the bye line to cross even time he moved upfield. Even with the bottler lurking around the far post, Messi wasn't able to deliver the balls to him as it was required to cross with his weaker foot.

 

[B Cantona]

Messi doesn't have to improve anything. If he stayed at the same level he is now, he'd still be one of if not the best player in the game, and capable of guiding his club and nation to major honours

But he may very well improve. And if he does, you'll have an even more special player on your hands

I don't see where these people who analyse Messi's game bar room stylee and conclude he needs to improve almost every aspect of his game get off frankly. Makes you wonder what they think of the rest of the planets footballers...

 

[Brwned]

Messi doesn't have to improve anything. If he stayed at the same level he is now, he'd still be one of if not the best player in the game, and capable of guiding his club and nation to major honours

But he may very well improve. And if he does, you'll have an even more special player on your hands

I don't see where these people who analyse Messi's game bar room stylee and conclude he needs to improve almost every aspect of his game get off frankly. Makes you wonder what they think of the rest of the planets footballers...

Who said that?

 

[reddevilcanada]

Weren't MM and FV the two Einsteins who predicted Barca would thrash us in last season's CL semifinal?

 

[surf]

Messi doesn't have to improve anything. If he stayed at the same level he is now, he'd still be one of if not the best player in the game, and capable of guiding his club and nation to major honours

But he may very well improve. And if he does, you'll have an even more special player on your hands

I don't see where these people who analyse Messi's game bar room stylee and conclude he needs to improve almost every aspect of his game get off frankly. Makes you wonder what they think of the rest of the planets footballers...

True. Maradona was also missing certain components but was still the best player of the 80's. Messi makes the best of what he's got.

 

[vijay]

Who said that?

B9 from YN Wok A.

 

[vijay]

True. Maradona was also missing certain components but was still the best player of the 80's. Messi makes the best of what he's got.

what are those components?

 

[Brwned]

B9 from YN Wok A.

He suggested areas he could improve on.

That's very different from what he needs to improve on.

 

[Brwned]

what are those components?

A right foot?

 

[vijay]

A right foot?

Stating Maradona cannot use his right foot is almost similar to saying Giggs can neither pass with his right foot nor play on the right wing... this theory cropped up mainly from the highlights and one line editorials. It wasn't his weakness. He has scored goals and hit crosses with his right foot but had god's own foot as his left.

 

[Brwned]

Stating Maradona cannot use his right foot is almost similar to saying Giggs can neither pass with his right foot nor play on the right wing... this theory cropped up mainly from the highlights and one line editorials. It wasn't his weakness. He has scored goals and hit crosses with his right foot but had god's own foot as his left.

I was just joking Vijay, I have no idea what Maradona's weakness was.

From what I've heard, he was flawless besides being too one footed.

 

[reddevilcanada]

I was just joking Vijay, I have no idea what Maradona's weakness was.

From what I've heard, he was flawless besides being too one footed.

the midget couldn't head the ball, legally that is.