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[genardk]

That would be a "good" season? That would give him yet again another Balon d or

What else does he need to do to have a good season assuming he wins the CL as PSG's top scorer with Ligue 1's most assists? PSG is already kind of guaranteed to win the Ligue 1.
Lewa's "great" "Ballon D'or worthy" season only consisted of winning Bundesliga last year as the Bundesliga top scorer, a league that Bayern has been winning 9 years in a row now.

 

[genardk]

Mbappé has 109 assists in his senior club career. IIRC he also has assisted Messi more than the opposite so far this season. I don't know where this narrative is coming from.

Mbappe is a kind of selfish player, personally nothing surprising or irritating for me as he is the lead man up front performing great. Ronaldo also has tons of assists too due to the position he occupies, does not prevent him from being known as a very selfish player..

 

[DaGOAT]

Didnt even bother celebrating a last minute winner.

Expensive flop so far, couldn't have happened to a worse club!

PSG’s topscorer in the Champions League.

7 goals and 8 assists in 20 matches.
That’s a 15 goal+assists in 20 matches for a guy being in a new club with new playing style.

Flop my ass.

 

[Ayoba]

PSG’s topscorer in the Champions League.

7 goals and 8 assists in 20 matches.
That’s a 15 goal+assists in 20 matches for a guy being in a new club with new playing style.

Flop my ass.

7 goals? He's got 5 in the CL THIS SEASON!

He's behind Haller, lewa, ronaldo, Salah and Nkunku who all have scored more than him.

How many has he scored in Ligue 1? Asking for a friend.

So yes, flop your ass

 

[genardk]

PSG’s topscorer in the Champions League.

7 goals and 8 assists in 20 matches.
That’s a 15 goal+assists in 20 matches for a guy being in a new club with new playing style.

Flop my ass.

also the fact that he hit the post like 9-10 times plus numerous chances he created wasted by Mbappe and others. The guy plays deep in the midfield, he does not camp around the penalty box area to convert clear chances created for him.

He is obviously playing below his standards but definitely not a flop.

 

[Acrobat7]

Lewa's "great" "Ballon D'or worthy" season only consisted of winning Bundesliga last year as the Bundesliga top scorer, a league that Bayern has been winning 9 years in a row now.

..and breaking a 50 year old iconic record that was deemed untouchable.

 

[Ali Dia]

On current trajectory he’ll have a much better second half of the season compared to Ronaldo.

 

[TenonTen]

What else does he need to do to have a good season assuming he wins the CL as PSG's top scorer with Ligue 1's most assists? PSG is already kind of guaranteed to win the Ligue 1.
Lewa's "great" "Ballon D'or worthy" season only consisted of winning Bundesliga last year as the Bundesliga top scorer, a league that Bayern has been winning 9 years in a row now.

Lewandowski broke a legendary 50 year old record with a crazy goal ratio: 41 goals in 28 games.

He won the club world cup winning player of the tournament.

Won the German Suprrcup scoring a brace.

His absence costed Bayern another CL probably. They lost to Paris and people started realizing scoring goals and converting chances isn't as easy as some people paint it to be.

Had like a goal a game ratio for his bang average national team.

Scored as many goals in the calendar year as Ronaldo has done in his best ever year. Way more goal contributions than other players while maintaining consistency all year despite having an injury in between.

 

[Rojow]

7 goals? He's got 5 in the CL THIS SEASON!

He's behind Haller, lewa, ronaldo, Salah and Nkunku who all have scored more than him.

How many has he scored in Ligue 1? Asking for a friend.

So yes, flop your ass

If you only measure Messi by his goals then you don't really know how he plays.

 

[Ayoba]

If you only measure Messi by his goals then you don't really know how he plays.

I do know how he plays, like he doesn't give a shit. He's semi retired.

 

[antk]

7 goals? He's got 5 in the CL THIS SEASON!

That's 1 goal per game mate (he has played 5 of the 6 group games), is this supposed to not be a great stat?

And yeah 5 CL + 2 L1 goals make 7 total.

 

[genardk]

Lewandowski broke a legendary 50 year old record with a crazy goal ratio: 41 goals in 28 games.

He won the club world cup winning player of the tournament.

Won the German Suprrcup scoring a brace.

His absence costed Bayern another CL probably. They lost to Paris and people started realizing scoring goals and converting chances isn't as easy as some people paint it to be.

Had like a goal a game ratio for his bang average national team.

Scored as many goals in the calendar year as Ronaldo has done in his best ever year. Way more goal contributions than other players while maintaining consistency all year despite having an injury in between.

legendary record probably only for Bayern fans.. this is one of the records that nobody knew about unless a famous player broke the record.. Muller's record by the way is still more impressive as at least in the 70s, Bundesliga was way more competitive with teams like Borussia Monchengladbach. Bundesliga has never been a one-sided league to such an extent in its history as it is now. I wonder why it took so long for Lewa to break this record playing for Bayern that has been winning the league for 9 years in a row.. Sorry but nobody is impressed by a player's Bundesliga stats (to call that performance Ballon D'or worthy) playing for a team like Bayern in Bundesliga's least competitive era. Put Lewa at last year's Barca playing under "legendary" manager Koemann in a much superior La Liga and see what he would achieve there when not fed properly.. I am sure he can create his own goals like Messi playing as a playmaker and lead the league both in goals & assists with the best dribbling, passing, chance creation stats.

Never said Lewa did not have a good season by the way, I just responded to a poster that implied winning CL with PSG as the top goal scorer and winning Ligue 1 with the most assists cannot be called a "good season" for Messi, which is ridiculous considering the fact that some call Lewa's last season amazing, Ballon D'or worthy etc.

It is unfortunately the sad reality associated with playing for top teams like PSG, Bayern in 1-team leagues (by the way, even Ligue 1 is more competitive than Bundesliga with 3 different winners in the last 5 years). You need to perform great in the CL or in an international tournament to win the Ballon D'or. Doing amazing things in a 1-team league like Bundesliga just does not cut it.

 

[Olmer]

Lewandowski broke a legendary 50 year old record with a crazy goal ratio: 41 goals in 28 games.

He won the club world cup winning player of the tournament.

Won the German Suprrcup scoring a brace.

His absence costed Bayern another CL probably. They lost to Paris and people started realizing scoring goals and converting chances isn't as easy as some people paint it to be.

Had like a goal a game ratio for his bang average national team.

Scored as many goals in the calendar year as Ronaldo has done in his best ever year. Way more goal contributions than other players while maintaining consistency all year despite having an injury in between.

He also had a very good Euro 2020 Group Stage despite playing for one of the worst teams.
I don't know how seriously you guys treat Opta Stats, but according to them he was the best player of the Group Stage.

 

[Olmer]

legendary record probably only for Bayern fans.. this is one of the records that nobody knew about unless a famous player broke the record.. Muller's record by the way is still more impressive as at least in the 70s, Bundesliga was way more competitive with teams like Borussia Monchengladbach. Bundesliga has never been a one-sided league to such an extent in its history as it is now. I wonder why it took so long for Lewa to break this record playing for Bayern that has been winning the league for 9 years in a row.. Sorry but nobody is impressed by a player's Bundesliga stats (to call that performance Ballon D'or worthy) playing for a team like Bayern in Bundesliga's least competitive era. Put Lewa at last year's Barca playing under "legendary" manager Koemann in a much superior La Liga and see what he would achieve there when not fed properly.. I am sure he can create his own goals like Messi playing as a playmaker and lead the league both in goals & assists with the best dribbling, passing, chance creation stats.

So Messi having great performances against Ecuador and Bolivia counts, but Lewandowski destroying Bundesliga doesn't? This reveals the double standards you Messi fans have, which makes it impossible to have a proper discussion with you.
There's a lot more wrong with this post but I'm not willing to spend my night pointing them out.

 

[Oly Francis]

..and breaking a 50 year old iconic record that was deemed untouchable.

I know german pundits love their old school legends but It's absolutely foolish to think that a record is untouchable, and it's an insult to football. Bundesliga is a very open league nowadays, lots of transitions and lots of goals. Messi managed throughout his liga carreer to score 50 goals in 37 games, then 46 goals in 32 games, then 43 in 38 again. Ronaldo also scored 48 in one season. There was absolutely no reason to think that, at one point, no-one would beat Muller's record, it wasn't beaten mainly because Bundesliga rarely had GOAT material strikers. Had Ronaldo or Messi been in this league, the record would have been smashed for a decade.

 

[genardk]

So Messi having great performances against Ecuador and Bolivia counts, but Lewandowski destroying Bundesliga doesn't? This reveals the double standards you Messi fans have, which makes it impossible to have a proper discussion with you.
There's a lot more wrong with this post but I'm not willing to spend my night pointing them out.

Such a weird comparison between an NT tournament and a league, your anti-Messi bias seems to have clouded your judgment.

I will try to simplify it for you: Lewandowski destroying Bundesliga with "Bayern" in a 1-team league in Bundesliga's least competitive era does not impress anyone to call this performance Ballon D'or worthy whereas Messi leading La Liga in goals as a playmaker in a much superior La Liga with a much inferior Barca under Koeman is very impressive. I am not even going to talk about his COPA performance as you seem clueless..

I guess that would be your last post in this thread as it is impossible for you to have a proper discussion with us Messi fans (as you said), perfect!

 

[DaGOAT]

7 goals? He's got 5 in the CL THIS SEASON!

He's behind Haller, lewa, ronaldo, Salah and Nkunku who all have scored more than him.

How many has he scored in Ligue 1? Asking for a friend.

So yes, flop your ass

Yes, 5 goals are more than any other PSG player in the Champions League. Hence why I wrote their topscorer. You mentioning people having scored more than 5 in the CL when I specifically wrote for PSG. So learn to read please.

2 league goals, but what about assists? Gonna ignore his assists again?

7 goals and 8 assist in 20 matches are not close to being a flop.15g+a i 20 matches? Gonna ignore that fact again?

Get a clue. Not a flop.

 

[tenpoless]

People keep going on about Messi CL goals. If Ben Yedder was a PSG player in that setup he would have scored more than 5 goals so far in CL, easily. Man is a predator in the box, most GKs shat themselves when Ben was hovering near the box and his moustache brings all the ladies to his yard. The best part is he could have been signed for 15mil. He wouldnt have the same social engagement impact for PSG in the same level of Messi though, although that metrics was only brought up by PSG to prepare in case Messi failed in Ligue 1 anyway, which is happening right now. Messi no goal in Ligue 1 ummm dont worry he paid his own transfer based on this social engagement metrics. Where is the money you asked? theyre in our home oil country and I assure you they didnt come from selling oil.

 

[Sayros]

People keep going on about Messi CL goals. If Ben Yedder was a PSG player in that setup he would have scored more than 5 goals so far in CL, easily. Man is a predator in the box, most GKs shat themselves when Ben was hovering near the box and his moustache brings all the ladies to his yard. The best part is he could have been signed for 15mil. He wouldnt have the same social engagement impact for PSG in the same level of Messi though, although that metrics was only brought up by PSG to prepare in case Messi failed in Ligue 1 anyway, which is happening right now. Messi no goal in Ligue 1 ummm dont worry he paid his own transfer based on this social engagement metrics. Where is the money you asked? theyre in our home oil country and I assure you they didnt come from selling oil.

Wtf did I just quote?

 

[genardk]

People keep going on about Messi CL goals. If Ben Yedder was a PSG player in that setup he would have scored more than 5 goals so far in CL, easily. Man is a predator in the box, most GKs shat themselves when Ben was hovering near the box and his moustache brings all the ladies to his yard. The best part is he could have been signed for 15mil.

that's the same setup that helped Mbappe score "only" 4 goals in the CL despite playing as a striker unlike Messi.. Real should go for Ben Yedder as a striker next season if they can't get Mbappe or maybe they should just go for Ben Yedder.. the best part is he is just 15mil.

 

[Daysleeper]

7 goals? He's got 5 in the CL THIS SEASON!

He's behind Haller, lewa, ronaldo, Salah and Nkunku who all have scored more than him.

How many has he scored in Ligue 1? Asking for a friend.

So yes, flop your ass

haha and you’re telling other people to calm down. He’s literally just one goal behind Ronaldo in CL.

 

[Wolf1992]

People keep going on about Messi CL goals. If Ben Yedder was a PSG player in that setup he would have scored more than 5 goals so far in CL, easily. Man is a predator in the box, most GKs shat themselves when Ben was hovering near the box and his moustache brings all the ladies to his yard. The best part is he could have been signed for 15mil. He wouldnt have the same social engagement impact for PSG in the same level of Messi though, although that metrics was only brought up by PSG to prepare in case Messi failed in Ligue 1 anyway, which is happening right now. Messi no goal in Ligue 1 ummm dont worry he paid his own transfer based on this social engagement metrics. Where is the money you asked? theyre in our home oil country and I assure you they didnt come from selling oil.

Ben Yedder is a better player than Messi right now, but he is also much better than current Ronaldo who can't dribble, can't pass, can't hold the ball, etc

 

[Lord SInister]

Such a weird comparison between an NT tournament and a league, your anti-Messi bias seems to have clouded your judgment.

I will try to simplify it for you: Lewandowski destroying Bundesliga with "Bayern" in a 1-team league in Bundesliga's least competitive era does not impress anyone to call this performance Ballon D'or worthy whereas Messi leading La Liga in goals as a playmaker in a much superior La Liga with a much inferior Barca under Koeman is very impressive. I am not even going to talk about his COPA performance as you seem clueless..

I guess that would be your last post in this thread as it is impossible for you to have a proper discussion with us Messi fans (as you said), perfect!

He also had great record in UCL.
To up Messi, we don't need to down Lewandowski. Lewandowski has been phenomenal in recent years , denying it, is as biased as it gets.

 

[Lord SInister]

People keep going on about Messi CL goals. If Ben Yedder was a PSG player in that setup he would have scored more than 5 goals so far in CL, easily. Man is a predator in the box, most GKs shat themselves when Ben was hovering near the box and his moustache brings all the ladies to his yard. The best part is he could have been signed for 15mil. He wouldnt have the same social engagement impact for PSG in the same level of Messi though, although that metrics was only brought up by PSG to prepare in case Messi failed in Ligue 1 anyway, which is happening right now. Messi no goal in Ligue 1 ummm dont worry he paid his own transfer based on this social engagement metrics. Where is the money you asked? theyre in our home oil country and I assure you they didnt come from selling oil.

You do realise you are talking shit

 

[tenpoless]

Ben Yedder is a better player than Messi right now, but he is also much better than current Ronaldo who can't dribble, can't pass, can't hold the ball, etc

Dont care about Ronaldo. He can play for Kawasaki Frontale for all I care. Messi is shite with PSG by his own standards, thats my point. But the way some of his staunch defenders simping for him you would think he is the second coming of Jesus and can do no wrong.

 

[Wolf1992]

I know german pundits love their old school legends but It's absolutely foolish to think that a record is untouchable, and it's an insult to football. Bundesliga is a very open league nowadays, lots of transitions and lots of goals. Messi managed throughout his liga carreer to score 50 goals in 37 games, then 46 goals in 32 games, then 43 in 38 again. Ronaldo also scored 48 in one season. There was absolutely no reason to think that, at one point, no-one would beat Muller's record, it wasn't beaten mainly because Bundesliga rarely had GOAT material strikers. Had Ronaldo or Messi been in this league, the record would have been smashed for a decade.

Tbh Lewandowski is one of the main reasons Bayern dominate Bundesliga the way they do.
The day Lewandowski,Neuer, and Muller leave Bayern, Bundesliga will be more winnable for other teams.
The only striker who can replace Lewandowski properly it's Haaland(based on goal ratio and stats), and he is going to Spain.

People though Juventus were going to dominate Serie A forever, due to the massive decline of italian football...but as soon as Chiellini, Bonucci,Cuadrado got old, and Pirlo left there was a noticeable decline in domestic performances, and now they are even struggling to get top 4.
And let's not imply that it's because Inter and Napoli, Milan are now great teams unlike years ago , cause neither of them are going far in the UCL.

Just like that, Bayern isn't gonna dominate Bundesliga forever, there will a noticeable decline once Neuer, Lewandowski and Muller leave, and they inevitably will replace them with lesser/unproven quality.

I like Messi, but there is no need to undermine Lewandowski success in Bayern Munich, he is one of the main reasons Bayern looks great.

 

[TenonTen]

legendary record probably only for Bayern fans.. this is one of the records that nobody knew about unless a famous player broke the record.. Muller's record by the way is still more impressive as at least in the 70s, Bundesliga was way more competitive with teams like Borussia Monchengladbach. Bundesliga has never been a one-sided league to such an extent in its history as it is now. I wonder why it took so long for Lewa to break this record playing for Bayern that has been winning the league for 9 years in a row.. Sorry but nobody is impressed by a player's Bundesliga stats (to call that performance Ballon D'or worthy) playing for a team like Bayern in Bundesliga's least competitive era. Put Lewa at last year's Barca playing under "legendary" manager Koemann in a much superior La Liga and see what he would achieve there when not fed properly.. I am sure he can create his own goals like Messi playing as a playmaker and lead the league both in goals & assists with the best dribbling, passing, chance creation stats.

Never said Lewa did not have a good season by the way, I just responded to a poster that implied winning CL with PSG as the top goal scorer and winning Ligue 1 with the most assists cannot be called a "good season" for Messi, which is ridiculous considering the fact that some call Lewa's last season amazing, Ballon D'or worthy etc.

It is unfortunately the sad reality associated with playing for top teams like PSG, Bayern in 1-team leagues (by the way, even Ligue 1 is more competitive than Bundesliga with 3 different winners in the last 5 years). You need to perform great in the CL or in an international tournament to win the Ballon D'or. Doing amazing things in a 1-team league like Bundesliga just does not cut it.

Same can be said about the 4th Copa America in 6 years. Compare that to a tournament like Euros which happens once every 4 years with much much better competition. And Messi did not even turn up in the final against Brazil in the 10 team tournament. So playing down someone's achievements while ignoring this is kinda biased.

Oh and PSG bottling the French league does not mean it's more competitive than the German league. It means they screwed up. As far as relative resources to their leagues go, PSG is far more overpowered with their limitless financial supply. And the French league is clearly inferior to the German one. It was literally behind Portuguese league a few months back.

The difference is Bayern is a club with winning culture and consistency unlike PSG which is why one of them have so many CL trophies. Bundesliga is easily better than French league. Bayern would annihilate Serie A too for that matter.

I know german pundits love their old school legends but It's absolutely foolish to think that a record is untouchable, and it's an insult to football. Bundesliga is a very open league nowadays, lots of transitions and lots of goals. Messi managed throughout his liga carreer to score 50 goals in 37 games, then 46 goals in 32 games, then 43 in 38 again. Ronaldo also scored 48 in one season. There was absolutely no reason to think that, at one point, no-one would beat Muller's record, it wasn't beaten mainly because Bundesliga rarely had GOAT material strikers. Had Ronaldo or Messi been in this league, the record would have been smashed for a decade.

41 goals in 29 games is right up there with these tallies mathematically. Just the Bundesliga has fewer games plus the injury. If it was a 38 game season, the 50 league goal record would have been smashed last season.

The only reason PSG won against Bayern last season was because the absence of Lewandowski.

People keep going on about Messi CL goals. If Ben Yedder was a PSG player in that setup he would have scored more than 5 goals so far in CL, easily. Man is a predator in the box, most GKs shat themselves when Ben was hovering near the box and his moustache brings all the ladies to his yard. The best part is he could have been signed for 15mil. He wouldnt have the same social engagement impact for PSG in the same level of Messi though, although that metrics was only brought up by PSG to prepare in case Messi failed in Ligue 1 anyway, which is happening right now. Messi no goal in Ligue 1 ummm dont worry he paid his own transfer based on this social engagement metrics. Where is the money you asked? theyre in our home oil country and I assure you they didnt come from selling oil.

Nah man. Credit where it's due. He was pretty good in 2 or 3 CL group games and contributed well in the circumstances.

He also had great record in UCL.
To up Messi, we don't need to down Lewandowski. Lewandowski has been phenomenal in recent years , denying it, is as biased as it gets.

He has 29 goals and 7 assists in his last 20 CL games, all of which he has won(which is a record for an individual).

haha and you’re telling other people to calm down. He’s literally just one goal behind Ronaldo in CL.

True. Messi can't be faulted for his CL performances this season so far.

He also had a very good Euro 2020 Group Stage despite playing for one of the worst teams.
I don't know how seriously you guys treat Opta Stats, but according to them he was the best player of the Group Stage.

Word. It went against the narrative peddled by people who never watched him play which is "he can't score without Bayern setup". He was literally a one man attack and still managed to threaten opponents every game.

 

[Gehrman]

Dont care about Ronaldo. He can play for Kawasaki Frontale for all I care. Messi is shite with PSG by his own standards, thats my point. But the way some of his staunch defenders simping for him you would think he is the second coming of Jesus and can do no wrong.

Messi has been shit by his own standards. He tends to look better though when he gets a run of games injury free which has been interrupted a lot this season.

 

[Gehrman]

What is Messi's role and position in the team, because he seems to start out as a forward, but in his highlights he seems more like an AM.



I guess perhaps it's the same as with Barca and Argentina only that he doesn't get on scoresheet often anymore.

 

[Olmer]

Such a weird comparison between an NT tournament and a league, your anti-Messi bias seems to have clouded your judgment.

I will try to simplify it for you: Lewandowski destroying Bundesliga with "Bayern" in a 1-team league in Bundesliga's least competitive era does not impress anyone to call this performance Ballon D'or worthy whereas Messi leading La Liga in goals as a playmaker in a much superior La Liga with a much inferior Barca under Koeman is very impressive. I am not even going to talk about his COPA performance as you seem clueless..

I guess that would be your last post in this thread as it is impossible for you to have a proper discussion with us Messi fans (as you said), perfect!

The problem is that literally everything you say is incorrect. There is nothing about Copa that is more imprtant than the Euro. You just chose to put more importance into that because of your bias. In the end Lewandowski impressed for a much worse NT against stronger teams than Messi did. And saying that "Messi won the Copa" is the most arrogant statement you can make. Argentina won Copa. Apparently when something good happens to a team then it's all Messi but when something bad happens, it's the coach and teammates. Again - double standards.

La Liga is in no way superior to the BL in 2021 and playing for prime Bayern is in no way superior than playing for prime Barcelona was, and I don't remember people (other than perhaps biased CR7 fans) belittling what Messi did for prime Barca. Guys like you use this argument only against Lewandowski and then you hide it in the pocket and never use it again - especially against players you like. This again highlights your double standards.

If the name of the player wasn't Messi and the name of the team wasn't Barcelona, nobody would care about him carrying them anymore than Kane carrying Tottenham (not last year necessarily - I'm talking overall here) or Haaland carrying BVB. Performing for average teams just doesn't get you this much recognition - that's why all the players want to eventually get to the top team. This is again double standards used exclusively for Messi.

Also, you guys should think twice before saying that Messi won because everybody cares and Lewandowski lost because nobody cares. When you say that you admit that it was about popularity and not merit. I mean - we know that already but you shouldn't just confirm that for us loud and clear. You have agenda against admiting that - remember?

 

[Gehrman]

The problem is that literally everything you say is incorrect. There is nothing about Copa that is more imprtant than the Euro. You just chose to put more importance into that because of your bias. In the end Lewandowski impressed for a much worse NT against stronger teams than Messi did. And saying that "Messi won the Copa" is the most arrogant statement you can make. Argentina won Copa. Apparently when something good happens to a team then it's all Messi but when something bad happens, it's the coach and teammates. Again - double standards.

La Liga is in no way superior to the BL in 2021 and playing for prime Bayern is in no way superior than playing for prime Barcelona was, and I don't remember people (other than perhaps biased CR7 fans) belittling what Messi did for prime Barca. Guys like you use this argument only against Lewandowski and then you hide it in the pocket and never use it again - especially against players you like. This again highlights your double standards.

If the name of the player wasn't Messi and the name of the team wasn't Barcelona, nobody would care about him carrying them anymore than Kane carrying Tottenham (not last year necessarily - I'm talking overall here) or Haaland carrying BVB. Performing for average teams just doesn't get you this much recognition - that's why all the players want to eventually get to the top team. This is again double standards used exclusively for Messi.

Also, you guys should think twice before saying that Messi won because everybody cares and Lewandowski lost because nobody cares. When you say that you admit that it was about popularity and not merit. I mean - we know that already but you shouldn't just confirm that for us loud and clear. You have agenda against admiting that - remember?

I agree that there is no reason to downplay lewandowski, but even 2021 Messi for Barca and Argentina is much more than a goalscorer. That's the difference between him and strikers. If his name wasn't Messi, I believe he'd still one of the favourites for the Ballon D'or. However the 2021 Ballon D'or had multiple favourites and yes it true that winning an international tournament with your team and being the best player makes a difference. If France had won the euro's it would probably be Mpabbe. If it was England Harry Kane could have had a shout etc.

 

[Acrobat7]

I know german pundits love their old school legends but It's absolutely foolish to think that a record is untouchable, and it's an insult to football. Bundesliga is a very open league nowadays, lots of transitions and lots of goals. Messi managed throughout his liga carreer to score 50 goals in 37 games, then 46 goals in 32 games, then 43 in 38 again. Ronaldo also scored 48 in one season. There was absolutely no reason to think that, at one point, no-one would beat Muller's record, it wasn't beaten mainly because Bundesliga rarely had GOAT material strikers. Had Ronaldo or Messi been in this league, the record would have been smashed for a decade.

I mentioned Lewandowski breaking Müller‘s record since the poster wrote that he „only“ won the German league.
But please go on and list a wall of stats that have nothing to do with what I posted.

 

[Red Pumpkin]

Messi himself has already registered 21 assists in a single La liga season(2019/20), that is a tied record with Muller for top 5 leagues, Messi has the highest number of assists than any other player since assists are counted(over 350 assists something), so I doubt he requires any more validation for being an assist machine.

Highest in Europe in a single season is Steffen Hofmann with 25 assists in Austrian Bundesliga.

Alright, thanks for the info. On the one hand I'm not shocked by the numbers and records, it might be a case of it being expected of Messi thus making the remarkable seem normal. On the other hand it might have been greater in a sense if Messi had done a transition from the greatest goalscorer to being the greatest assister but he was both at the same time it seems and then when his goalscoring dropped the transition or rather addition of playmaking didn't seem as great as it should have been regarded. Players like Matthäus, Gullit, Rijkaard, Beckenbauer, Giggs, Schweinsteiger etc transitioning from World Class Winger > CM or CM > Libero/CB got the recognition. Perhaps if Messi became a true 10 in midfield he would have gotten the recognition, or perhaps he wouldn't and people like me would complain about him not scoring enough. Tough cookie.

 

[genardk]

The problem is that literally everything you say is incorrect. There is nothing about Copa that is more imprtant than the Euro. You just chose to put more importance into that because of your bias. In the end Lewandowski impressed for a much worse NT against stronger teams than Messi did. And saying that "Messi won the Copa" is the most arrogant statement you can make. Argentina won Copa. Apparently when something good happens to a team then it's all Messi but when something bad happens, it's the coach and teammates. Again - double standards.

La Liga is in no way superior to the BL in 2021 and playing for prime Bayern is in no way superior than playing for prime Barcelona was, and I don't remember people (other than perhaps biased CR7 fans) belittling what Messi did for prime Barca. Guys like you use this argument only against Lewandowski and then you hide it in the pocket and never use it again - especially against players you like. This again highlights your double standards.

If the name of the player wasn't Messi and the name of the team wasn't Barcelona, nobody would care about him carrying them anymore than Kane carrying Tottenham (not last year necessarily - I'm talking overall here) or Haaland carrying BVB. Performing for average teams just doesn't get you this much recognition - that's why all the players want to eventually get to the top team. This is again double standards used exclusively for Messi.

Also, you guys should think twice before saying that Messi won because everybody cares and Lewandowski lost because nobody cares. When you say that you admit that it was about popularity and not merit. I mean - we know that already but you shouldn't just confirm that for us loud and clear. You have agenda against admiting that - remember?

That's probably the worst post of the thread, and that says a lot, you seriously have basic reading comprehension problems.

Who said that Copa is better than Euros? Can you read? The way you write implies that you think Lewa's Poland performance with Poland unable to qualify from their group (finishing last) is more impressive than Messi winning Copa as an MVP (never heard such a crazy argument before, but everything has a first) with Argentina leading in goals, assists, a cup that Argentina was unable to win for 28 years, a cup that even Maradona failed to win when organized in Argentina losing to Uruguay in semi finals in El Monumental in 1987, right after they won the WC in 1986. How do you explain the fact that Argentina was able to win Copa only twice in 65 years between 1955 and 2021? I would recommend you to show some respect to Latin American nations and their love for football instead of belittling Copa and their passion for that tournament. Without Latin Americans, there is no football.

Bayern does not face competition like Atletico Madrid, Real, Sevilla etc. There is not a single team from Bundesliga (other than Bayern) that won something in Europe god knows in how many years. here is a reason why nobody follows Bundesliga unlike La Liga which has been Numero Uno in Europe for such a long time. Trying to put Bundesliga next to La Liga is again laughable and displays your bias or at worst your ignorance. Messi carried the team becoming the lead goal scorer in La Liga not in a farmers league. He brought the Copa Del Rey as the finals MVP. He was No 2. in assists. not to mention all other "unimportant" stats for people like you like dribbling, chance creation, passing stats..

He cannot be directly comparable to Lewa or Kane or other strikers as he is not a striker, he is a playmaker first. He often scores as many as those but also can do world class playmaking, dribbling, passing that Lewa can only dream of doing. I doubt you watch Messi play and probably think that Messi is a penalty box striker and life is all about goals..

 

[genardk]

He also had great record in UCL.
To up Messi, we don't need to down Lewandowski. Lewandowski has been phenomenal in recent years , denying it, is as biased as it gets.

I like Lewa and I agree he has been great. That he was not given Ballon D'or in 2020 due to covid "rightly" caused bitterness among his fans, that was a stupid stupid decision by Ballon D'or Committee to cancel the award for 2020. It is really a crime against the football world not to give him this award in 2020. But, that is not Messi's fault (Messi even said he hopes the committee would reconsider their decision and give Lewa the award for 2020), Lewa fans are directing their frustration towards the wrong guy (tbh, most of them are Ronaldo fans who chose to support Lewa this year only for obvious reasons).

 

[Bebestation]

The problem is that literally everything you say is incorrect. There is nothing about Copa that is more imprtant than the Euro. You just chose to put more importance into that because of your bias. In the end Lewandowski impressed for a much worse NT against stronger teams than Messi did. And saying that "Messi won the Copa" is the most arrogant statement you can make. Argentina won Copa. Apparently when something good happens to a team then it's all Messi but when something bad happens, it's the coach and teammates. Again - double standards.

La Liga is in no way superior to the BL in 2021 and playing for prime Bayern is in no way superior than playing for prime Barcelona was, and I don't remember people (other than perhaps biased CR7 fans) belittling what Messi did for prime Barca. Guys like you use this argument only against Lewandowski and then you hide it in the pocket and never use it again - especially against players you like. This again highlights your double standards.

If the name of the player wasn't Messi and the name of the team wasn't Barcelona, nobody would care about him carrying them anymore than Kane carrying Tottenham (not last year necessarily - I'm talking overall here) or Haaland carrying BVB. Performing for average teams just doesn't get you this much recognition - that's why all the players want to eventually get to the top team. This is again double standards used exclusively for Messi.

Also, you guys should think twice before saying that Messi won because everybody cares and Lewandowski lost because nobody cares. When you say that you admit that it was about popularity and not merit. I mean - we know that already but you shouldn't just confirm that for us loud and clear. You have agenda against admiting that - remember?

Good post.

 

[Gehrman]

The problem is that literally everything you say is incorrect. There is nothing about Copa that is more imprtant than the Euro. You just chose to put more importance into that because of your bias. In the end Lewandowski impressed for a much worse NT against stronger teams than Messi did. And saying that "Messi won the Copa" is the most arrogant statement you can make. Argentina won Copa. Apparently when something good happens to a team then it's all Messi but when something bad happens, it's the coach and teammates. Again - double standards.

La Liga is in no way superior to the BL in 2021 and playing for prime Bayern is in no way superior than playing for prime Barcelona was, and I don't remember people (other than perhaps biased CR7 fans) belittling what Messi did for prime Barca. Guys like you use this argument only against Lewandowski and then you hide it in the pocket and never use it again - especially against players you like. This again highlights your double standards.

If the name of the player wasn't Messi and the name of the team wasn't Barcelona, nobody would care about him carrying them anymore than Kane carrying Tottenham (not last year necessarily - I'm talking overall here) or Haaland carrying BVB. Performing for average teams just doesn't get you this much recognition - that's why all the players want to eventually get to the top team. This is again double standards used exclusively for Messi.

Also, you guys should think twice before saying that Messi won because everybody cares and Lewandowski lost because nobody cares. When you say that you admit that it was about popularity and not merit. I mean - we know that already but you shouldn't just confirm that for us loud and clear. You have agenda against admiting that - remember?

Phrasing it like this very common in the caf and in general. Yeah obviously Argentina won the Copa but because he was player of the tournament, he gets extra credit. Like saying Zidane, Iniesta etc won the world cup. Might as well say x player won the cup with x team, but most people know what you're talking about anyway.

 

[Oly Francis]

I mentioned Lewandowski breaking Müller‘s record since the poster wrote that he „only“ won the German league.
But please go on and list a wall of stats that have nothing to do with what I posted.

Oh right, you didn't write that he broke Muller's record that was deemed untouchable to promote Lewa's season.

Wait, that's exactly what you wrote. And I'm telling you this assertion that it was supposed to be untouchable was foolish.

 

[Oly Francis]

Tbh Lewandowski is one of the main reasons Bayern dominate Bundesliga the way they do.

No it's not, the main reason is their team structure. Lewa plays a part for sure, he is an amazing player, one of the very best in the world if not the best at the moment, but here is Bayern's record in Bundesliga when he was unavailable over the last seasons : 7 wins 1 draw.

Lewa is far less significant in Bayern's tactics than Benzema for Real Madrid for exemple (and that's what makes Bayern a far better team).

 

[Tom Cato]

PSG’s topscorer in the Champions League.

7 goals and 8 assists in 20 matches.
That’s a 15 goal+assists in 20 matches for a guy being in a new club with new playing style.

Flop my ass.

By Messis standards he has been a colossal flop. He plays first string on the worlds most top heavy football team in a compratively weak league. The expectation for his production is significantly higher than it has been.

If anything, this completely soulless PSG experiment underlines the fact that you can stockpile all the stars you want, but if they dont adhere to the old trope of "Teamwork make the dream work" they wont do a lot of anything.

Its such a shame that Messis contract is over 2 years, I bet he would love nothing more than to return to Bacelona.