Lionel Messi - Performances

He should just retire from the national team.

Again.

Not really sure why people find the 4 games ban harsh either to be fair, you come to some guy, talk about fecking his mum's cnut, usual circumstances you'd get your shit slapped for such behaviour and rightfully so. This type of behaviour would be somewhat expected if Messi was a 12 year old in a playground and somebody stole his toy. He's a grown man, to talk about fecking somebody else's mum, come fecking on. I'm glad he got banned. At least now people won't have to make excuses for him when he doesn't win another WC because simply he won't play it.
 
Kostur said:
He should just retire from the national team.

Again.

Not really sure why people find the 4 games ban harsh either to be fair, you come to some guy, talk about fecking his mum's cnut, usual circumstances you'd get your shit slapped for such behaviour and rightfully so. This type of behaviour would be somewhat expected if Messi was a 12 year old in a playground and somebody stole his toy. He's a grown man, to talk about fecking somebody else's mum, come fecking on. I'm glad he got banned. At least now people won't have to make excuses for him when he doesn't win another WC because simply he won't play it.
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Given how shite Argentina look without him, none of them will probably be playing it tbf.
 
Graham Poll today said this on the ban:

A FIFA disciplinary committee has watched video evidence and decided to impose the ban, which I believe is against the laws of the game.

The incident occurred in full view of the assistant who was abused and therefore the decision of the active match officials should stand (Which it was not).

If a player strikes an opponent out of view of all active officials, then a retrospective ban should be imposed. This sanction seems at odds with that.
 
Chile FA obviously weren't happy that the Ref and his Lino were going to allow Messi to get away with an offence that two of their players have been banned for so they sent the video (clear evidence) to FIFA.
 
FCBarca said:
Graham Poll today said this on the ban:

A FIFA disciplinary committee has watched video evidence and decided to impose the ban, which I believe is against the laws of the game.

The incident occurred in full view of the assistant who was abused and therefore the decision of the active match officials should stand (Which it was not).

If a player strikes an opponent out of view of all active officials, then a retrospective ban should be imposed. This sanction seems at odds with that.
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Someone should tell Mr. Poll that it also is against the laws to show three yellow cards to the same player during a game.
 
FCBarca said:
Graham Poll today said this on the ban:

A FIFA disciplinary committee has watched video evidence and decided to impose the ban, which I believe is against the laws of the game.

The incident occurred in full view of the assistant who was abused and therefore the decision of the active match officials should stand (Which it was not).

If a player strikes an opponent out of view of all active officials, then a retrospective ban should be imposed. This sanction seems at odds with that.
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Because abusing an official and their mother is similar? Poll is an idiot
 
Kostur said:
He should just retire from the national team.

Again.

Not really sure why people find the 4 games ban harsh either to be fair, you come to some guy, talk about fecking his mum's cnut, usual circumstances you'd get your shit slapped for such behaviour and rightfully so. This type of behaviour would be somewhat expected if Messi was a 12 year old in a playground and somebody stole his toy. He's a grown man, to talk about fecking somebody else's mum, come fecking on. I'm glad he got banned. At least now people won't have to make excuses for him when he doesn't win another WC because simply he won't play it.
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You're either being ignorant or simply pretending to be for some odd reasons. Swearing and curses words get constantly thrown around in a football pitch especially with emotions heightened.

It's not uncommon to hear players throwing profanity after decisions going against them, in fact it happens most of the time. So you entire take on this situation is odd, it certainly shouldn't be a surprise to see such occurrence on a football pitch.
 
VanGaalEra said:
Chile FA obviously weren't happy that the Ref and his Lino were going to allow Messi to get away with an offence that two of their players have been banned for so they sent the video (clear evidence) to FIFA.
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Wasn't submitted by Chile anymore than this which was during the match and went unpunished

 
FCBarca said:
Graham Poll today said this on the ban:

A FIFA disciplinary committee has watched video evidence and decided to impose the ban, which I believe is against the laws of the game.

The incident occurred in full view of the assistant who was abused and therefore the decision of the active match officials should stand (Which it was not).

If a player strikes an opponent out of view of all active officials, then a retrospective ban should be imposed. This sanction seems at odds with that.
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Doesn't Poll know that 'if the referee has seen it, there is nothing you can do about it' doesn't exist outside of EPL and even there the rule was relaxed this summer?
 
Kostur said:
He should just retire from the national team.

Again.

Not really sure why people find the 4 games ban harsh either to be fair, you come to some guy, talk about fecking his mum's cnut, usual circumstances you'd get your shit slapped for such behaviour and rightfully so. This type of behaviour would be somewhat expected if Messi was a 12 year old in a playground and somebody stole his toy. He's a grown man, to talk about fecking somebody else's mum, come fecking on. I'm glad he got banned. At least now people won't have to make excuses for him when he doesn't win another WC because simply he won't play it.
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Of course it is unfair because like with everything else, we use points of reference to evaluate the fairness of a call. Here we have a clear case of something being done on a regular basis everywhere in the world that goes unpunished. When one does it also and gets punished, obviously it is unfair. You can argue that the ban is the fair call but in that case, you also have to think that so many other players deserve to be banned also. You can't have it both ways.
 
By the way how come whenever a bit of controversy about Messi occur, rare as this might be, it suddenly turns into this narrative about him being this despicable character all along.

I mean it's quite clear by now that some people are just waiting to pounce on any Messi bad headlines and pretend as if those define his entire character. It's quite hard to find Messi in negative headlines so people are extra eager whenever something of sort pops up.

Truth of the matter is these sort of isolated incidents in no way define Messi's character and saying otherwise is quite ridiculous. We've seen the guy play for over a decade and his character certainly isn't that of a hypocrite or some despicable unruly player. So let's just drop that nonsense and quit this blatant straw grasping.

And no I'm not a BARCA FANBOY.
 
Theonas said:
Of course it is unfair because like with everything else, we use points of reference to evaluate the fairness of a call. Here we have a clear case of something being done on a regular basis everywhere in the world that goes unpunished. When one does it also and gets punished, obviously it is unfair. You can argue that the ban is the fair call but in that case, you also have to think that so many other players deserve to be banned also. You can't have it both ways.
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Well said.

I'm sure people on these boards are well aware about all the profanities that get thrown on football pitches by players and go by unpunished. The inconsistency in enforcing this particular rule is the issue here. No wonder you hear people throwing these crazy talks about conspiracy theories despite those talks most likely being rubbish of course.
 
Theonas said:
Of course it is unfair because like with everything else, we use points of reference to evaluate the fairness of a call. Here we have a clear case of something being done on a regular basis everywhere in the world that goes unpunished. When one does it also and gets punished, obviously it is unfair. You can argue that the ban is the fair call but in that case, you also have to think that so many other players deserve to be banned also. You can't have it both ways.
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But you don't get away with it in South America, that's the point. Two Chile players and Neymar have been banned for the same thing prior to Messi.
 
The incidents happened towards the end the match. I read that the assistant said that he didn't understand what was said to him at the time, but found out afterwards. He's not the first player to pick up a ban for it.

4 matches is a lot but it appears to be in line with previous abusive language incidents. The timing was dreadful, but I guess the FIFA view was that if they were going to act they were better to act before rather than after a big game. One of those things. The other players will have to show up for the next match.
 
VanGaalEra said:
But you don't get away with it in South America, that's the point. Two Chile players and Neymar have been banned for the same thing prior to Messi.
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Are you sure about that though? Maybe the two Chilean players were punished but that doesn't mean that they enforce those laws all the time. Even if that was the case, don't you think the game's regulations should be consistent across the world? For me, I actually think it's good to ban players for using abusive language. The excuse that it's just emotions and whatever does not cut it but, just like shoving and pushing at corners, it should be consistent.
 
Theonas said:
Are you sure about that though? Maybe the two Chilean players were punished but that doesn't mean that they enforce those laws all the time. Even if that was the case, don't you think the game's regulations should be consistent across the world? For me, I actually think it's good to ban players for using abusive language. The excuse that it's just emotions and whatever does not cut it but, just like shoving and pushing at corners, it should be consistent.
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I completely agree, and we should applaud the authorities in South America for taking such a stance. It's only blown up because it's Messi, no one gave a shit about Medel and Valdivia when they were banned.

This should most certainly spread through the game. This coupled with video technology would make reffing games a lot easier for Refs and reduce the burden and pressure on them.
 
FCBarca said:
Graham Poll today said this on the ban:

A FIFA disciplinary committee has watched video evidence and decided to impose the ban, which I believe is against the laws of the game.

The incident occurred in full view of the assistant who was abused and therefore the decision of the active match officials should stand (Which it was not).

If a player strikes an opponent out of view of all active officials, then a retrospective ban should be imposed. This sanction seems at odds with that.
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If you're having to use Graham Poll to back you up you're in trouble.
 
Santoryo said:
You're either being ignorant or simply pretending to be for some odd reasons. Swearing and curses words get constantly thrown around in a football pitch especially with emotions heightened.

It's not uncommon to hear players throwing profanity after decisions going against them, in fact it happens most of the time. So you entire take on this situation is odd, it certainly shouldn't be a surprise to see such occurrence on a football pitch.
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There's a difference between insulting somebody/throwing a curse into a void and coming up to somebody to tell him that you'll feck his mother. You're either being ignorant or simply pretend to be for some odd reason if you can't see the difference.
 
Kostur said:
There's a difference between insulting somebody/throwing a curse into a void and coming up to somebody to tell him that you'll feck his mother. You're either being ignorant or simply pretend to be for some odd reason if you can't see the difference.
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I am not an expert in the Spanish language but from Pete Jensen's article, the argument is that the phrase in Argentina is something that sounds like the typical F*** off in English speaking countries. Literal translations rarely tell the whole story when it comes to insults. As I said, I don't know the language, or the culture but it would be interesting to hear some Argentinian or South American people confirm how that phrase sound like.
 
Theonas said:
Of course it is unfair because like with everything else, we use points of reference to evaluate the fairness of a call. Here we have a clear case of something being done on a regular basis everywhere in the world that goes unpunished. When one does it also and gets punished, obviously it is unfair. You can argue that the ban is the fair call but in that case, you also have to think that so many other players deserve to be banned also. You can't have it both ways.
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And as somebody has pointed out, Medel and the other Chilean player also got banned and put on probation for the same reason. Couple of years back, Rooney got banned for swearing to camera, not by FIFA but by FA, so such a practice is not really unheard of. Players get red carded for insulting the referee too.
 
Theonas said:
Are you sure about that though? Maybe the two Chilean players were punished but that doesn't mean that they enforce those laws all the time. Even if that was the case, don't you think the game's regulations should be consistent across the world? For me, I actually think it's good to ban players for using abusive language. The excuse that it's just emotions and whatever does not cut it but, just like shoving and pushing at corners, it should be consistent.
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You know that's pretty much an utopian argument, right? Even if you are right, it still is. Just see at the standards of 'when a thing is a foul' in particular leagues, EPL, La Liga, Serie A, protection for the goalkeepers, diving, crowding the referee. You're never going to get 1:1 decisions.
 
Kostur said:
You know that's pretty much an utopian argument, right? Even if you are right, it still is. Just see at the standards of 'when a thing is a foul' in particular leagues, EPL, La Liga, Serie A, protection for the goalkeepers, diving, crowding the referee. You're never going to get 1:1 decisions.
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Of course it is and if anything, I am against this hysteria over every injustice. For example, I am not nearly as desperate for video technology as many mainly because injustices are something I am perfectly comfortable with. My point was to not call it fair though. It's one thing to accept inconsistencies and mistakes as part of the game and indeed life, it's another to actually call them "fair".
 
The referees informed NOTHING.

The media were the ones that made the insult public. And it happened because it's Messi, and he has a camera only for him.

So again, I hope FIFA creates a new part of their institution only dedicated to follow the 22 players in the stadium plus the subs, with experts in lip-reading to catch everyone with this. Doubt many teams would have enough players to play the game. Even referees insult at players. At least it happens in south america.



They banned him for being Messi, in this case. Dunno if Medel & Neymar's cases were carried without being informed by the referees, but I bet they were.


Not to mention that they decided to take action five hours before the match, LOL.
 
Didn't Rooney get banned for swearing into the camera during a friendly and was subsequently banned for the start of the season by the FA?
 
Kostur said:
There's a difference between insulting somebody/throwing a curse into a void and coming up to somebody to tell him that you'll feck his mother. You're either being ignorant or simply pretend to be for some odd reason if you can't see the difference.
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You'll feck his mother? Who said that? :lol:
 
Said "la c**cha de tu madre" which for an argentinian is pretty much the equivalent of F**k you for an english afaik
 
The ban is okay I think but they need to be more consistent with this sanctions although I would prefer the referees to concentrate on doing a better job during the game, Argentina won against Chile in great measure thanks to a bad referee so they need to focus more on that.
 
Joga Bonito said:
Didn't Rooney get banned for swearing into the camera during a friendly and was subsequently banned for the start of the season by the FA?
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Swore in to a camera after scoring a hat trick vs West Ham away when we were 2 down. Banned for some stupid reason the FA came up with.

He got a red card in a pre-season friendly for elbowing a Porto player in the head and got banned for the start of 2007/2008 season I think it was. Scholes was banned in same fixture.
 
Robertd0803 said:
Swore in to a camera after scoring a hat trick vs West Ham away when we were 2 down. Banned for some stupid reason the FA came up with.

He got a red card in a pre-season friendly for elbowing a Porto player in the head and got banned for the start of 2007/2008 season I think it was. Scholes was banned in same fixture.
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Yeah, you are right. Searched it on the net later, after I made that post, and found out I'd tangled things up.
 
Joga Bonito said:
Yeah, you are right. Searched it on the net later, after I made that post, and found out I'd tangled things up.
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No worries, 2 stupid bans easy enough to mix them up. I was racking my brain trying to think what he did against Porto to get sent off to begin with.
 
Only banned because he's a high profile player. The way the ban was delivered 6 hours before a match he was preparing for is disgraceful.
 
Vialli_92 said:
Only banned because he's a high profile player. The way the ban was delivered 6 hours before a match he was preparing for is disgraceful.
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Medel and Valdivia also banned because they were high profile players too? :confused:
 
Kostur said:
There's a difference between insulting somebody/throwing a curse into a void and coming up to somebody to tell him that you'll feck his mother. You're either being ignorant or simply pretend to be for some odd reason if you can't see the difference.
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:lol:

See this is the kind of interpretation that's painting Messi as this foul mouthed thug who went on to the referee to particularly insult his mother and other such disgust in that line. You in your head has thing worse than they actually were.

From all interpretation we got from native speakers, the interpretation is akin to what your pads in the Prem would throw as a "Feck you" or "Feck off" ref. It's a pretty common insults in Argentina as it turned out which completely erase this entire narrative about Messi maliciousness in his insults.

Again, insults and curses are CONSTANTLY thrown on a football pitch, this certainly wan't anything not very common.
 
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