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Lionel Messi - Performances
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He makes it look so easy and so beautiful.
I want Argentina to win the whole thing.
I want Argentina to win the whole thing.
What a picture.
His passing is so bloody ridiculous that he could easily become a deep lying playmaker whenever he loses that pace and explosiveness.
Forget the best football player in history, he has a decent claim to be one of the greatest athletes ever.
Forget the best football player in history, he has a decent claim to be one of the greatest athletes ever.
By being the best footballer of all time he's automatically in the pantheon of greatest athletes. Probably the only thing holding back from truly universal recognition is a lack of charisma - he's not an Ali or Jordan, or even Bolt, in that respect.
Nah, charisma shouldn't be taken in to account when we're discussing the greatest athletes of all time. It should purely be based upon their respective records.
Messi is up there with the likes of Jordan, Bradman, Ali and co though.
His overall game is on another level but I still can't figure out what is happening to his goalscoring instincts when he's wearing the blue and white shirt.
7:30.
7:30.
Don't get me wrong, I consider him one of the greatest, but I'm just talking in terms of that recognition that transcends the athlete's respective sport, which is aided by their charisma and personality, hence why Ali is considered The Greatest even amongst those not particularly in touch with boxing.
It's probably a lot to do with the responsibility of having to do everything a lot of the time. Start attacks, build attacks, score, free kicks etc At the World Cup he managed some 4 or so goals, but even those he had to pull of some worldies to do it. Most likely because the onus is on him for so much. One could argue that he contributes in as many aspects for Barcelon, if not more at times, but there's more ease given the quality of the team.
Is Ali considered to be a greater sportsman than Jordan?
Ali isn't even considered the greatest in his own sport as far as I know? It's just that he meant a lot outside sport and called himself the greatest a lot?
The greatest of a sport should be solely about the sport.
Too hard to compare really.
Who's considered a better boxer than Ali?
Sugar Ray Robinson undoubtedly. A lot of boxing historians would put a few others before him too, others might not.
Well I don't know much about boxing, but from what I read and also hear from boxers, interviews and whatnot, they seem to rate Ali as the greatest of all time. Again, I might be totally wrong.
I might be wrong but this GOAT(Greatest of all time) thing seems to be a very much a American idea(Although it's used ever where now). The mentioned candiates always seem to mostly be Amercian and mostly seemed to play American sports(How could Michael Jordan be the Goat when he played a sport that's almost exclusively by American's, it's a bit silly)
It's hard enough to say who's the greatest sportsmen in their individual sports(There's good arguments to say Messi isn't the GOAT in football). So to say who's the greatest sports men of all time is well impossible.
It's hard enough to say who's the greatest sportsmen in their individual sports(There's good arguments to say Messi isn't the GOAT in football). So to say who's the greatest sports men of all time is well impossible.
So, two International finals within a year. Regardless if he wins the Copa or not, are people now more convinced of his NT career?
When you talk about the greatest in there own sport Michael Jordan is probably about as unanimous as it gets.
And Wayne Gretzky.
Phil Taylor - 16 world titles to his nearest competitor's 2.
Darts? I wouldn't even call it a sport so much as a pub game.
And yeah Gretzky is a great shout actually.
I'm doubting his record is as unparalleled as Don Bradman.
His overall game is on another level but I still can't figure out what is happening to his goalscoring instincts when he's wearing the blue and white shirt.
7:30.
The pass from Pastore wasnt great. It was to him but it bubbled too much. Messi had to take a touch, and his touch was poor for once.
Sugar Ray I think.Who's considered a better boxer than Ali?
I don't know much about boxing but when I posted in the boxing thread people told me one or two names who were definitely better. Checked lists online too which usually didn't have him at the top. Basically it's not the unanimous thing it's made out to be by the whole brand bandwagon.
Yeah as always it's bit of a silly debate.
Firstly I think it's best to compare those you've actually seen, and secondly comparing those you have across sports is insanely difficult and a bit of a pointless exercise.
He's gotten his team to the Final of every major tournament, club or NT, over the past 12 months
Ali actually became known as 'The Greatest' as that is what he called himself.
His idol was in fact Sugar Ray Robinson and his boxing style was that to mimic SRR as much as a man of his size could.
SRR is generally considered the best by a distance too. It is highly unlikely that any boxer will ever overtake him as the game is so different these days. His prime career at Welterweight actually preceded television coverage of the sport and most people that were alive to witness it are now dead. Ali still has many fans that were alive at his peak to carry his story.
I think a few years ago it became obvious that he was going to gradually drop deeper and pull the strings ala Xavi - which of course has made the claims that he'll peak soon absolutely ridiculous. Even once his pace diminishes, Messi will still be able to dribble & pass better than any player
I'm a big Messi fan(Got the Argentina shirt)but let's not kid ourself(He wasn't even Argentina best player at World Cup)He's gotten his team to the Final of every major tournament, club or NT, over the past 12 months
And Michael Schumacher
Lin Dan, Michael Phelps
Sugar Ray Robinson is unanimously considered as the best boxer of all time. There are many people who don't consider Ali not even in top 3.Who's considered a better boxer than Ali?
He is considered as the greatest mainly by those who aren't box watchers, and that is to a degree because of his influence outside the box, and that he was the best boxer when box became far more international than before.
I hope people are making sure they take in the brilliance that Messi is live as often as possible because in a few short years we wont be able to see him live anymore.
Off the thread topic.... The thing with Ali that many who werent around when he was boxing will not understand is his impact around the planet while he was at the top. Its something that cant be measured with stats or his records or by reading a book or magazine article, you had to experience it to understand the mood, time and feeling of his time in the spotlight. I remember clearly a period in time when Ali and Pele were considered the greatest sportsmen of all time and nobody argued it, it was simply the way it was. Time simply changes perceptions as does history and new names or even old names becoming better known. Sadly the dependency on stats for some people means they will never understand the mood of different eras and how different personas became so legendary then but new viewers wont fully appreciate what went on at the time.
Jonathan Wilson has waxed lyrical about his performance while "Argentina, in truth, didn't play that well."
Which Messi do you prefer? Messi the playmaker although he scored almost 60 goals this season, or Messi the striker who scored 91 goals in a year?
For me both.
Barely their best player in this tournament too.
Messi, the ridiculously talented guy who plays football.....
Nope, he performs far below his barca level in an argentina shirt.