Lionel Messi - Performances

Jagga7 said:
This is such a stupid example, the NFL has a salary cap so Brady takes a pay cut so he has more chances of more rings.

The best player in the world should get paid the most. Barcelona generate millions upon millions on the back of Messi, he gets paid what he's worth.
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While there's obviously no salary cap in football, don't you think Barcelona could strengthen a good bit with the amounts mentioned in this thread? Amounts in addition to the salary he is already earning.

So it's not a hard cap like in the NFL, but Barcelona also doesn't have unlimited funds, so it works like a soft cap.
 
hellhunter said:
While there's obviously no salary cap in football, don't you think Barcelona could strengthen a good bit with the amounts mentioned in this thread? Amounts in addition to the salary he is already earning.

So it's not a hard cap like in the NFL, but Barcelona also doesn't have unlimited funds, so it works like a soft cap.
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I don't think barcelona have a problem with Messi's wages atm...
 
giorno said:
€104m guaranteed per season, less than what he could get elsewhere? :lol:
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Probably, he was a free agent at the end of this season, which means that he could essentially demand his transfer fee as wages or bonuses. Let's say that his transfer value is 200-250 million in the summer, while a fair wage for him is at least 70-80 million.

Based on that, there are clubs who would probably be willing to pay Messi well over 500 million over 4 years or so.
 
XH6 said:
Probably, he was a free agent at the end of this season, which means that he could essentially demand his transfer fee as wages or bonuses. Let's say that his transfer value is 200-250 million in the summer, while a fair wage for him is at least 70-80 million.

Based on that, there are clubs who would probably be willing to pay Messi well over 500 million over 4 years or so.
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You're right, PSG could have given him more than that on a free transfer :eek::eek::eek:
 
He could be earning more elsewhere, PSG and City would pay whatever it takes, heck United and Madrid would also. I don't like how 40% of the wage budget is going to Messi but when he decides to call it quits, we'll have a huge chunk of money and wages shifted to reinvest. Messi is priceless for Barca
 
After Messi is gone, there will be a new era in Barcelona where people will understand how important he was for this team. And that he's worth what he earns based on the market.
 
kouroux said:
It is a free header still. The defintion is that you have no one close to bother you when heading it. It's got nothing to do with not having to jump and definitely nothing to do with the goalkeeper (it's related to the defenders).
He did beat VDS... Well duh, not even sure why it needs to be mentioned.
If you want a perfect example of player beating another for a header, Ronaldo versus Essien in the CL final is a good one.
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This is stupid, like saying all goals scored without a defender actively jumping in front of you is a free shot. Dumb definition and dumb defense
 
littleman said:
This is stupid, like saying all goals scored without a defender actively jumping in front of you is a free shot. Dumb definition and dumb defense
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This is not like that at all. You're a weirdo if this is the conclusion you're making from it. Someone making a header without anybody challenging him, it's a free header. Messi still had to jump high and still had to place the ball, I have never said it was easy to score but just that it was a free header. It appears that nuances aren't really your forte...
 
Trizy said:
How do Barca fans view Messi after his recent signing on bonus and massive wages? How can a man claim to love a club he is bleeding dry.
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He’s still underpaid and deserves every penny. Without him this season Barca would barely be top 4 in La Liga, with him they have a great chance of getting a treble.
 
kouroux said:
This is not like that at all. You're a weirdo if this is the conclusion you're making from it. Someone making a header without anybody challenging him, it's a free header. Messi still had to jump high and still had to place the ball, I have never said it was easy to score but just that it was a free header. It appears that nuances aren't really your forte...
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That header was still one of the most iconic CL headers of the last ten years in fairness, Ramos is up there as well. Ronaldo is great at heading the ball but I wouldn’t call his iconic
 
Daysleeper said:
That header was still one of the most iconic CL headers of the last ten years in fairness, Ramos is up there as well. Ronaldo is great at heading the ball but I wouldn’t call his iconic
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You won't see me arguing there. I have never said or meant the opposite. The other 2 headers are as iconic for me in the way they had to jump so high to reach the ball.
 
Needham said:
A lot. Peasants have remained that way for centuries not because of an unjust distribution of wealth but due to their genetic inequality. Once a member of their stock finally emerges with a monetizable talent their nearest gene sharer will milk the family cow as if oil comes out of his botty. It's evolution in cold hard practice...
...some would say. I just think it becomes the main topic of conversation for work free relatives. Messi is a genius but him and his family may be full on clod hoppers with the gumption and ethics of homotevezicus. Or they are planning on building hospitals.
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What the absolute feck is this drivel :lol:
 
The best player of all time when he's at his best. Thought he was beginning to lose some ambition over the past few years given he's won everything, but it's just back to business this season
 
Yeah, does anyone know how that 104m euro is structured?

I've read that his basic salary is around 600-650k per week on the new deal. He's getting a sign on bonus of around 60m and his image rights per season from Adidas (maybe Barca owns his image rights hence they're paying him?) is around 30m per year.

That's obviously without any tax money taken into account unless the "signing bonus" is the tax money?

It seems Ronaldo earned 93m last year, so 104m is hardly as absurd as it sounds? Maybe I'm wrong though. Maybe I'm just being sensitive after the way the media sensationalised Alexis' transfer to us "600k per week" "United's 180m pound man" etc.

Also not sure how reputable Forbes would be re these matters:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christ...-worlds-highest-paid-footballer/#587251c67ef9

edit: i see a loyalty bonus of 70m at the end of the contract is there. So the 130m bonuses are added in and amortized over the 4 year contract period which gets us to around the 104m mark.
 
If you have the GOAT in your team, you have to pay him as a GOAT. If you don't want to pay that much you can get other players.
 
Ish said:
Yeah, does anyone know how that 104m euro is structured?

I've read that his basic salary is around 600-650k per week on the new deal. He's getting a sign on bonus of around 60m and his image rights per season from Adidas (maybe Barca owns his image rights hence they're paying him?) is around 30m per year.

That's obviously without any tax money taken into account unless the "signing bonus" is the tax money?

It seems Ronaldo earned 93m last year, so 104m is hardly as absurd as it sounds? Maybe I'm wrong though. Maybe I'm just being sensitive after the way the media sensationalised Alexis' transfer to us "600k per week" "United's 180m pound man" etc.

Also not sure how reputable Forbes would be re these matters:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christ...-worlds-highest-paid-footballer/#587251c67ef9

edit: i see a loyalty bonus of 70m at the end of the contract is there. So the 130m bonuses are added in and amortized over the 4 year contract period which gets us to around the 104m mark.
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I'm pretty sure there's a lot of double and triple counting as it standard in paper talk.

Iirc the sign on/loyalty bonus is how they account for some of his wage. so it's like 300k wage and 350k in sign on money per week
 
Barcelona pays Messi that much because there are like 5 or 6 clubs like Barcelona but there is no one like Messi.
 
Ish said:
Yeah, still a lot of money but oh well.
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Don't get this differentiating between weekly wages, loyalty bonuses, signing bonus, etc. At the end of the day barcelona are going to pay him ~€416 million over 4 years guaranteed, plus performance related bonuses, plus results based bonuses, which could reach up to a maximum of an extra €92m

How the contract is structured hardly matters, they're still paying him all of that
 
giorno said:
Don't get this differentiating between weekly wages, loyalty bonuses, signing bonus, etc. At the end of the day barcelona are going to pay him ~€416 million over 4 years guaranteed, plus performance related bonuses, plus results based bonuses, which could reach up to a maximum of an extra €92m

How the contract is structured hardly matters, they're still paying him all of that
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Yep, I’m in finance though, so it’s always interesting to me how these things are structured, from a business POV. Straight lining of a lease, amortization and all that...
 
Mad stat I read today about Messi;

The Nou Camp was opened in 1957, and last night the 4000th goal was scored there...
Messi has been directly involved in more than 10% of them (scored 308, assisted 105)
 
MalcolmTucker said:
Mad stat I read today about Messi;

The Nou Camp was opened in 1957, and last night the 4000th goal was scored there...
Messi has been directly involved in more than 10% of them (scored 308, assisted 105)
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That’s a brilliant stat!
 
Why do people on here continuously label him “the greatest of all time” in every discussion. As if it is a fact. Yes he is one of the best ever but when talking about him, there is no need to keep calling him the greatest as if it is fact. Because it isn’t and is up for debate.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Why do people on here continuously label him “the greatest of all time” in every discussion. As if it is a fact. Yes he is one of the best ever but when talking about him, there is no need to keep calling him the greatest as if it is fact. Because it isn’t and is up for debate.
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Pretty obvious they're speaking for themselves. Would be rather stupid if they had to put disclaimers for others for no reason.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Pretty obvious they're speaking for themselves. Would be rather stupid if they had to put disclaimers for others for no reason.
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I know what they are doing I just mean that there is no need to keep saying he is the “greatest” all the time. Besides, how can anyone think he is the best ever when they have no doubt not seen players of 40 years ago play much. Except for youtube clips.

Obviously he wil go down as one of the best ever but saying it all the time is just annoying.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
I know they are speaking for themselves, but there is no need to declare that he is the Greatest all the time. Besides how can anyone even suggest he is the greatest when they never even seen players of 40 years ago play except from youtube etc.
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So we shouldn't declare anything or anyone the best ever because it's not possible to have done 100% of the research. It is a forum not a court
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
I know they are speaking for themselves, but there is no need to declare that he is the Greatest all the time. Besides how can anyone even suggest he is the greatest when they never even seen players of 40 years ago play except from youtube etc.
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There's a lot of information /footage out there to be fair. How can anyone suggest he is the greatest? Well the general consensus appears to be that if he isn't the outright best aldwady then he's among the greatest 3 or so. So it isn't that much of a stretch. I'd only go so far as calling him the best I've seen by far because of the bolded bit of your post.

But people don't need to go keep mentioning that their opinion aren't necessarily facts. That would be silly.
 
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