Not to defend him, but how much do you think is influenced by his dad considering everything contract/money related?
Lionel Messi - Performances
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You can't compare Iniesta and Messi based only on how much each one earns. Iniesta is not even a starter sometimes, while Messi is by far the most decisive player they have. By far.
And of course marketing wise you can't compare one to the other. We're talking about a Pelé or a Maradona in world Football.
He demands that much because he deserves it. Barca can only afford to pay him that much because he generates at least that amount in return. If he no longer had the ability to perform at a certain level, or his commercial value dropped, then the club would have no issue in showing him the door.
I said in my post that he may be worth whatever he is because of his marketability, abilities and what not, that doesn't change the fact that he is a hypocrite. Also the issues with taxes.. really? earning tens of millions (and now hundreds) a year and these greedy players still can't get enough of money. It's disgusting.
Highly likely that he is influenced by his father a lot(or at least used to be when he was younger, I would like to hope so at least), but I really doubt that any tax evasion machinations (charity funds, cayman island accounts and etc) are executed without his knowledge.
Edit: I don't get it, why are all of you talking about his worth? I said that he is worth whatever he is in today's market, but he shouldn't act like a devoted servant of the club. I was talking about his hypocrisy. I guess it runs in the club, with all that "Mes Que Un Club" that Barca tries to push down everyone's throat. #WeAreAllMessi innit, ffs.
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To be honest this is exactly the reaction I would expect for Barcelona fans and rightly so. Only problem with some Barcelona fans is they claim Messi is holier than thou and it's blasphemes to speak against him.
100 million a year salary could pay for 4-5 world class talents salaries and the 80 million signing on bonus could pay for a brilliant player. He is literally weakening Barcelona's future due to bleeding them. Yes he is the best player of all time but this renewal just takes the piss. I've honestly lost respect for him.
Messi weakening Barcelona 
Some desperate off topic wumming rearing it's head, again
Some desperate off topic wumming rearing it's head, againHave to laugh at this. It goes both ways. You call him a hypocrite but your comments suggest you think the club should use his loyalty as leverage to pay him less than he would get elsewhere. You basically want him to give the club a discount. And because he hasn't you're annoyed. If you want the best players, pay them the going rate.
The fact that he's hung around for the last few seasons while your club have left the team around him go to shit should be enough for you.
"Love" and "devotion" can only increase if your paycheck gets fatter
A lot. Peasants have remained that way for centuries not because of an unjust distribution of wealth but due to their genetic inequality. Once a member of their stock finally emerges with a monetizable talent their nearest gene sharer will milk the family cow as if oil comes out of his botty. It's evolution in cold hard practice...
...some would say. I just think it becomes the main topic of conversation for work free relatives. Messi is a genius but him and his family may be full on clod hoppers with the gumption and ethics of homotevezicus. Or they are planning on building hospitals.
This.
He has so much ability, it's hard to believe that it's real. I can't even begin to think what he would do to amateur defenders, if
Barcelona can afford to give Messi such amount of money this is why they are giving it. They know what he does for them and they understand his value. If his demands were unrealistic then the club would have directly said no, Barca can afford it, hence this much money. The people who run the club's finances are not mugs, they understand market and money more than anyone.
Laugh all you want, but you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. I said that he shouldn't be acting like holier than thou if he is asking/demanding for these ridiculous amounts of money. That's that. Club is paying him whatever it can and whatever he deserves/demands. That's business, but he shouldn't go around and act like he is a devoted graduate of the club that will stay and play there till the end of days just because "I owe everything to Barca".
And that's that for me
I have run out posts for today.Edit: wow guys, do you read whole posts or do you just get triggered by specific words when skimming through? Either all of you quoting me did not read my post thoroughly or I did not express myself well enough, if so, please excuse me.
I believe I have reiterated enough times about Messi being worth whatever he is and Barca being able/willing to pay him that much. I was just talking about his attitude and the image he want's to sell....
@amolbhatia50k yeah, I am pretty sure I am Barcelona fan, that doesn't mean I cannot criticize club's or players' of the club actions.
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Just keep editing the ones you've already written but add in posters' names you want to address.And that's that for me
Edit: wow guys, do you read whole posts or do you just get triggered by specific words when skimming through? Either all of you quoting me did not read my post thoroughly or I did not express myself well enough, if so, please excuse me.
I believe I have reiterated enough times about Messi being worth whatever he is and Barca being able/willing to pay him that much. I was just talking about his attitude and the image he want's to sell....
You're sure you're a Barcelona fan right?
Messi weakening Barcelona
How is that laughable? If Barcelona uses all its profits (unlike United) for transfers, they're already down €80m for his bonus and an extra €65m a year for his new salary (and that still gives Messi a high salary than Ronaldo, with €35m). Less money = less upgrades, thus making Barcelona's future weaker.
Above figures match ''leaked reports'' not official reports.
Also explain how this is desperate? I've nothing to gain or lose either way from this deal. I just think it's completely taking the piss from Messi.
Honestly, if fans spent the time and effort they put into worrying and writing about a player's (GOAT contender at that) salary, and redirected into bettering their own remuneration they'd be much happier.
Messi has been absolutely on fire lately, even for his standards. I can't imagine any money spent on this guy being a bad investment.
it's laughable because he's the best player in the world, possibly of all time, so a Barca team with Messi in it is automatically strengthened.
fans seem to think he should take pay cuts to help the club out. why should he? he's the best. does a CEO take a pay cut to help out the company he works for? of course not. although I get what Semiarty is saying about his attitude, if that is what he presents to the media (although I never really see much of it, maybe because I don't follow Spanish football much besides watching the odd game).
Messi is twice the player Iniests has ever been. Barca would never have won half of what they have the last 10 years without Messi. But they would have without Iniesta. He deserves every penny.
You talk about loyalty but as soon as Messi gets old and stops delivering then the club will get rid. Clubs are only loyal to players who deliver anyway. Careers are short so he should try to make as much as he can even at the club he loves. Because once he retires they wont show much loyalty to him. And he wont get income anywhere near what he is now.
I thought the last Ballon d'Or would be the last one dominated by Messi/Ronaldo but I'm convinced he'll win it again.
His standards never drop.
His standards never drop.
Bleeding them dry. Are Barca poor now. Should he play football for free? Charitable contribution to a billion pound business
I never said right now, I said weaken Barcelona's future, twice. Barcelona is a massive club and will survive while paying Messi but with the above figures I mentioned, they could spend an extra €65m a year strengthening for the future if Messi wasn't as greedy.
I also never said he should take a pay cut, but going from €40m to €100m a year is just outrageously greedy
I have not once mentioned he should take a pay cut or play for free. Stop fishing.
I never said right now, I said weaken Barcelona's future, twice. Barcelona is a massive club and will survive while paying Messi but with the above figures I mentioned, they could spend an extra €65m a year strengthening for the future if Messi wasn't as greedy.
I also never said he should take a pay cut, but going from €40m to €100m a year is just outrageously greedy
It’s Barca’s decision to make, it’s not on him. They don’t have to pay him. If they want to invest in the future instead of now, then they can do. There will be plenty of clubs lining up to take him.
He can see the amount of money players are being bought for now, the money being flooded into the game, and knows his worth. If anyone deserves it it’s him.
True. However, when it came to renegotiating I doubt they'd ever think of offering €100m
. Just to clear up any future fishing comments, I do not hate Messi
.He gets paid what he deems he's worth, and what his employers deem him to be worth. I don't see the issue.
There's only one player in the world that deserve that amount and it's him. Period. End of story.
If we were not able to pay that amount, he wouldn't have been getting that amount. Its business and Barto & company know how to do it, even if it's shady sometimes.
If we were not able to pay that amount, he wouldn't have been getting that amount. Its business and Barto & company know how to do it, even if it's shady sometimes.
I've always felt that the club were slightly too generous when it came to renewing Messi's contracts, in the sense that he seems to get another one every 1.5 years, regardless of the length of the actual contract. I've no idea as to the actual current earnings, but he is obviously earning an obscene amount of money. On the other hand, as stated, if anyone "deserves" it, he is that person. The club over the last decade have absolutely hoovered up leagues and cups, the club as an entity has grown massively, the shirts are flying off the shelves, sponsorships, casual fans, etc. Messi is the fulcrum of all this success and growth. I'm the same as most normal punters, you think "if you are on 20M, do you really need 25M?" and so on, but obviously the players at that level get used to earning that kind of money and want more.
As an aside, anything resembling a "signing on fee" for a player already on your books is a bit of a joke. For any player.
As an aside, anything resembling a "signing on fee" for a player already on your books is a bit of a joke. For any player.
How is he a hypocrite? You love Messi but you don't want him to be paid what he's worth?
I really don't get it. Messi is in the wrong for getting his market value but you're asking for charity and for him to take less than he's worth and that's right?
Confused about all the people not getting the point @Semiarty is making. He's not asking Messi to donate his salary or pay for less than his market worth, he just seems to be struggling with the concept of everdying love for the club while at the same time completely bleeding it dry.
Does Messi deserve his salary? Sure, as far as footballers deserve these ridiculous sums.
Does it conflict with devotion and gratitude to completely milk the club he claims to be forever loyal to? Kind of. That makes him kind of a hypocrite.
As an example from the NFL, isn't Brady actively reducing his salary with every contract extension to help the Pats keep more room in salary cap?
Does Messi deserve his salary? Sure, as far as footballers deserve these ridiculous sums.
Does it conflict with devotion and gratitude to completely milk the club he claims to be forever loyal to? Kind of. That makes him kind of a hypocrite.
As an example from the NFL, isn't Brady actively reducing his salary with every contract extension to help the Pats keep more room in salary cap?
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Because the club has been "cheap" with him for years, up until 2009 one could argue he was being underpaid, and then even after his wonder years from 2009 to 2013, I think if he was the best paid player in the world it was for short stints, never a head above the rest like he's now.
We also will be able to judge this with hindsight in the next months, Ronaldo bargained what it looked like a great contract 14 months ago and now it feels like peanuts to him, maybe what seems like an obscene amount of money now, ends up being reasonable in 12/24 months, and he signed this contract probably having in mind that it could be his last top tier paycheck of his career, when he sits for the next one being 33 y/o he may not end up so overpaid compared to the rest of stars. Even though I understand guys like him or Kobe getting a huge paycheck in their last contract as a sent away gift.
That makes some kind of sense, but on the other hand, since 2009 his personal earnings outside the club's wages have grown by colossal amounts. At some point, if a player is like "I'd like an extra 15M a year" when they have already padded out their wages with like 10-20M extra of their own endorsements, you kind of have to think about the overall wage bill of the club.
And if you're fed up with the board stupid decisions (which Messi was, that's why his renewal came almost before he was free to negotiate) you could also think the wage bill of the club is better invested on you, than the board choosing to pay Turan €8M a year to get fat in the stand.
Whatever way you look at it, almost every player plays for the max contract they can get, with some exceptions like Etxeberria who played "for free" with Athletic (he probably would've retired had he not played for free) and a couple more.
Who can be that stupid to say Messi is a waste of money ?
And who is that stupid to think that Barca is not winning enough from his persona also ?
And who is that stupid to think that Barca is not winning enough from his persona also ?
He's getting market value not bleeding them dry. He could earn more in china or at PSG maybe at city too. He's not asking for that. He's asking for what he's worth.
How much of what he's worth should he donate to Barcelona a mega rich company? He currently gets what he's worth? How much less should he gift to Barcelona?
Really baffles me that people have a problem with players getting their share
This is such a stupid example, the NFL has a salary cap so Brady takes a pay cut so he has more chances of more rings.
The best player in the world should get paid the most. Barcelona generate millions upon millions on the back of Messi, he gets paid what he's worth.
Also he helps other footballers out in terms of wages, if he started taking pay cuts other sub pay footballers couldn't demand the high wages.
Yeah, fairly obvious the point @Semiarty is making. Nothing wrong with Messi making the money he is or Barcelona paying the money they are. It's a business. Just don't make it sound like some kind of altruistic endeavor on both parts. If Messi wasnt this good he would be kicked out of there, just as Messi is maximizing his cut of the money in the game.
He's not though is he. Maximising his cut would have seen him at PSG or in China now. He's actually took less to stay
It’s the regular derailing of threads involving Messi/Barça
Things aren't as black and white as some people are portraying them I think. Listening to what Messi says, and looking at how he reacts and plays for Barcelona, how he celebrates after big goals, I do feel that he has a massive passion for the club, and he has shown nothing but loyalty since he's been there, since age 10?
He also gets paid an enormous amount of money.
Does that make him less loyal or mean he shouldn't talk about commitment in interviews etc. For me, it doesn't change much. It doesn't have to be one or the other, he shows how he really feels on the pitch anyway, I don't see it as him being a hypocrite.
He also gets paid an enormous amount of money.
Does that make him less loyal or mean he shouldn't talk about commitment in interviews etc. For me, it doesn't change much. It doesn't have to be one or the other, he shows how he really feels on the pitch anyway, I don't see it as him being a hypocrite.