The manager is a vital but relatively small part of the puzzle. Pep and Klopp would not have been as successful as they have been were they brought to the version of United we’ve witnessed over the past decade. The world of work doesn’t work that way.
Life after ETH — the next United manager
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The manager is a vital but relatively small part of the puzzle. Pep and Klopp would not have been as successful as they have been were they brought to the version of United we’ve witnessed over the past decade. The world of work doesn’t work that way.
I like football and support the club. Why wouldn’t I watch it? That has nothing to do with my view that the likelihood of things getting materially better is unlikely.
Yes they would have because they know what it takes to be successful. You don't need all the planets to align just to be successful.
The people now running the football side of the club have been here less than 6 months. Let's give them a chance to get things organized, sacking Ten Hag is a decent start albeit a few months too late.
I still feel he's young enough to manage us one day provided he's doesn't ever go to City or scousers
The best part of this so far was that hour or so yesterday where we allegedly had no money and were considering Ole. Fun times.
So when could we realistically expect the new manager to begin?
Every manager we’ve employed other than Moyes and Ole (who did well in spells himself) knows what it takes to be successful.
The idea that Pep and Klopp would have landed here at Old Trafford and automatically achieved the kind of success they’ve had at City and Liverpool over the past decade is for the birds.
You’ve obviously been around for the past eleven years. You should know this by now.
Amorim seems to be the new guy and good luck to him. All I see is what I saw when we brought in Ten Hag two years ago (to much fanfare and delight).
The glaring difference now is the INEOS-led structure we’ve been putting in place; how well they do is another conversation altogether.
This is true. I guess we’ll have to wait and see on that.
I love the commotion that comes with a new manager.
The fans excitement, the endless analysis of their tactics, the videos of them passionately waving their arms on the side lines, rival fans insisting they are over rated.
I wouldn't be against teams having to change their manager every two years, in some twisted new FIFA rule to make competition fairer.
The fans excitement, the endless analysis of their tactics, the videos of them passionately waving their arms on the side lines, rival fans insisting they are over rated.
I wouldn't be against teams having to change their manager every two years, in some twisted new FIFA rule to make competition fairer.
I love the commotion that comes with a new manager.
The fans excitement, the endless analysis of their tactics, the videos of them passionately waving their arms on the side lines, rival fans insisting they are over rated.
I wouldn't be against teams having to change their manager every two years, in some twisted new FIFA rule to make competition fairer.
Exactly. Best part of being a United fans in the past decade. Transfer windows and new manager speculation. The reality is always shit but the anticipation, *chefs kiss*
Exactly, so many people are quick to label them incompetent, foolish etc.. they have been owners since Feb.
Berrada and Ashworth are in the job for 3 months... as per reports they have had a big say in getting Almorin.
So people need to give the new structure some time to develop before judging them too quickly.
We called the old board reactive rather than proactive.. well we are changing it and some people still dont like it. Instead of sacking the manager and having 2/3 months of uncertainty, They spoke to managers post the Spurs loss and once it was identified that Amorim wants to come now, they made the decision to sack EtH
How do we rate his signings?
Other than obvious disasters like Mount and Anthony (and loans), I don't think he did much wrong. He did overpaid for most of his signings but that was United tax.
Other than obvious disasters like Mount and Anthony (and loans), I don't think he did much wrong. He did overpaid for most of his signings but that was United tax.
Are there strong links to anyone else or is it just Amorim? I’m delighted but feels a little too good to be true at the same time that we’re potentially getting an excellent young manager who is coveted by our rivals
Not much else at the moment. There were some Frank calls yesterday, but it seems to have died out. When Ornstein reports something there is usually no use in reporting something else really. It is almost as good as the club telling us. Of course, the deal might fall through but as of now it is only Amorim.
There’s no links because we seem to be deep in talks with Sporting to release him from his contract. Everyone is reporting this so I doubt we’re secretly talking to someone else.
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I’m not sure how you can like/enjoy watching while having the view that it’ll never improve no matter what. Seems bleak. But whatever works for you I guess.
Key word right there: “secretly” let’s be honest nobody saw this coming, all assumed he was Peps replacement, especially as sporting DOF is going to city also. All the talk was about Xavi, Frank and dare I say Southgate. You never know, we could be secretly in talks with someone else incase talks break down with Sporting, I just hope it’s not the latter of the names I just mentioned
Couldn’t agree more, a teachers pet, the teachers being the FA. Shouldn’t get within 100 miles of OT. Unless he fancies his chances at Stockport County, sorry Stockport fans.
It wasn’t before Alex turned it around.
It is though a huge club, one of the most famous in the world and always will be.
This is the appeal for top managers who are not scared of a challenge and my god managing Manchester United now is a huge challenge it is also a huge honour which if you are ambitious and confident in your ability then if offered it should be a job that any top manager would jump at.
Yeah him or Xavi is who the guy wanted that just rang into Talksport. Apparently he has a very close relationship with Fergie and was at Cathy's funeral.
I’ve changed my vote from McKenna to Amorim and I’m now gonna pretend I was on that train all along.
Choo choo!
Choo choo!
Looks like Amorim was impressed with INEOS.. and that he backs himself to take the job.
I have to pretend that I think we’ll be great, even though I don’t, in order to enjoy watching United play football? That’s an interesting analysis.
If you want to convince yourself that Amorim is going to turn around the ship and bring back the glory days then all power to you; we don’t have to be on that same page.
United is treated differently from other clubs by the media.
No wonder ten Hag was no fit.
An illusion you mean?
Because everyone wants to read about United, good or bad. The day the media stop reporting about us will be the day we're done as a big club.
It's going to be interesting over the next couple of months. I have to admit I'm a little apprehensive about hiring another manager from an objectively weaker league. No disrespect to the Portuguese league but I would view it similar to Holland in that there is not much competition in each league bar one or two other top teams. That said I am excited to see what Amorin is about, he's been hyped up for a number of years. From what I've read we may have a number of players already in place that may suit his tactics. I do not think the squad needs a major overhaul this time around, the profile of players ETH brought in seem to be more akin to what is required in the modern game. This year I will just be happy to see an actual identity in attack rather than the "moments FC" ETH seemed to produce where you didn't really know what you were going to get. But to be honest I genuinely feel for ETH, I had such high hopes for him but he failed to deliver and he paid the price we don't need to feel guilty.
Sorry INEOS , I was wrong, your fleetness of foot and quality of decision are exactly what we were hoping for when we got the best in world football management settled in at Old Trafford.
I think there is a lot of people worried about Amorim coming from league weaker than the PL. But it is important to remember whilst his achievements came in Portugal, his squad was relative to the strength of the competition. And he also made them competitive in Europe.
The Portuguese league translates well to the English and French leagues due to the level of athleticism being higher than that of the Dutch or Spanish leagues.
I don’t think there is much of a difference between a manager developing in the Portuguese league, or the Bundesliga. But we seem to rate the Bundesliga as far greater. I would rather we see the level of achievement relative to their league. The likes of Alonso going unbeaten, or Amorim bringing 2 titles to Sporting after 2 decades. These are measures of success that we can be confident in.
The Bundesliga is ranked higher in the UEFA and usually has 7-8 clubs in Europe (4-5 in the CL) in recent years, Portugal just 5 (2 in the CL). The total market value estimation is almost three times as high for the BL than for the Portuguese league. While this is not really a scientific metric, it's no wonder that more attention is paid to the Bundesliga.
That said I fully agree that the performance has to be rated in relation to the league. And Sporting or Leverkusen are no powerhouses in their leagues, unlike Ajax. And even then... Brighton are quite good this season and signed a manager from Germany's second league which is far weaker...
I know right? within hours it went from the seeming debacle of the delayed ETH sacking, Ruud as interim and no clear direction to Wow! we may be securing one of the hottest managerial talents in football, one thing is for sure INEOS are not Woodward and Co.
Wonder if INEOS ever properly explored a deal for Nagelsmann, get the impression it was either too much compensation to get him out of Germany contract or just told them he had no intention of leaving until after World Cup
It's fantasy
Most probably both
Might get leaked one day if they made approach
I've missed a lot of the backstory intrigue over the last 24 hours. Do we yet have a satisfactory explanation as to why INEOS did not sack ETH after the FA Cup win and bring in Amorim?
Every player now has a clean slate to start from. I hope they really show what they are capable of.