I'm not trying to throw the Bayern fan base under the bus, I know lots of the fans aren't of the same opinion, moreso that across the Bundesliga loads of clubs were acting strongly against any support of Palestine which was insanity (like that one player whose contract was terminated). More the official organization level stance more than the fan stance
LGBTQ+ inclusion and Religion Debate in Football
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I'm shocked they're still here.
It's true, If they couldn't sell him he would have got the El Ghazi treatment. German clubs should be last to lecture others on morals.
If Mazraoui didn't want to wear it then fair enough that's his choice. If the squad do the same so he isn't singled out then again that is up to them. It shouldn't be newsworthy but no surprise Crafton is on it
And that means they support genocide. Good to know.
Yeah that's been very successful as you can see
Unfortunately, this leaked. But what i am saying is speak with Adidas at the start of the season if you know this is going to be an issue.
Dont walk into the dressing room pre match (or in the days before) with the LGBTQ jackets for him to refuse. That is why it leaks.
That's why even though on a personal level I rejected religions since teenage, I'm not against them. Some people really need it and are good people due to it.
This is why all politics and symbolism should be nowhere near football
I think the timeline leads more to the latter events being the bigger problem. However as we're talking about footballing people where morals and personal values rank very low, it's just as likely that neither played a part and it was his injuries and having different options that got him sold. He also didn't cost Bayern anything so it was an easy decision if they needed to balance the books.
You can use the same "argument" to imply that lack of desire to wear a band makes you a homophobe. It's nonsense in both cases.
The club haven't handled it well, why did they even announce it? Unless it was leaked. Agree it's not newsworthy.
How so? We played him multiple times afterwards.
Not really.
But you'd do well to apply the same logic to Maz though
I disagree. I do very much believe that his statements on Palestine played a part. I also do believe that his homophobia did. What I absolutely do not believe is that his statement was the single reason for his transfer. There were multiple factors that added up. On the field and besides of it. His injuries being another part.
This happens when club don't stand for something. Where is the character?
Can vegeterian players demand that no meat should be served at Old Trafford or team dinners?
Can sober people demand that no alcohol should be served at Old Trafford?
Can enviromental activist demand that only bicycle or walking is the only way player can come to Old Trafford or training ground?
Can atheist demand club stop writing about holidays on our website or social media?
There are billions and billions of combinations. Where do we say, this is how it is. What club should have done is said. Ok, we understand. You will not be involved in those games and you will not get paid for those weeks. Instead we got situation where every player get a chance to decide what happens at the club. I don't blame player. Everyone can choose how they want to live their life. But club should stand for something.
Can vegeterian players demand that no meat should be served at Old Trafford or team dinners?
Can sober people demand that no alcohol should be served at Old Trafford?
Can enviromental activist demand that only bicycle or walking is the only way player can come to Old Trafford or training ground?
Can atheist demand club stop writing about holidays on our website or social media?
There are billions and billions of combinations. Where do we say, this is how it is. What club should have done is said. Ok, we understand. You will not be involved in those games and you will not get paid for those weeks. Instead we got situation where every player get a chance to decide what happens at the club. I don't blame player. Everyone can choose how they want to live their life. But club should stand for something.
How has this got out into the public domain in the first place? Surely the people organising would have sorted all of this before actually doing it. Real poor logistics from the club. If it's a leak it should be fecking investigated. The media is jumping at any opportunity to have a go.
all colors are beautiful, except brown
To be fair, I'm not a fan of brown as a color. I also never heard anyone state that brown was their favorite color.
Nope. Mazraoui was specifically asked to make a statement of acceptance and refused to do so. Our fans weren’t asked to do that. If there was an organised event or movement in support of Palestine and our fans would refuse to participate, you’d have a point. This way, you don’t.
But nice try nonetheless.
That's not really what happened though? Your questions would make more sense if a vegetarian was told that he needs to eat some meat because the others want to.
Crafton has been having a go for a while. He's a cnut. It's not even the captain's armband FFS, it's a fecking optional tracksuit!
He may decline to wear it for other reasons than actually hating lgbt people. His family or certain members of it might be super religious for instance. Just labeling the guy ad a homophobe is pretty out of order IMO
From what i understand Mazraoui didn't demand anything, he just didn't want to wear the jacket, then the club decided for some strange reason no one would. As for your examples, there are non meat options, people who don't drink still go to OT the other examples are just weird.
all sources I’ve seen are suggesting that he cited his personal religious believes. That’s more than enough for me. No reason to fabricate possible mitigating circumstances.
As much as I heavily disagree with the stance German clubs have taken on the Palestine issue, I'm also not sure how much of a role it had to play in him being sold. He played regularly even after his post on the war, he was quite injury prone during his time generally and Bayern had a decent pool of RBs with Boey joining in Jan and Stasinic returning from loan. Therefore, with their need to also generate cash, Mazroui would have been a choice to sell.
Absolutely. All the crap various players got for speaking out in support of Palestinians is ridiculous, and this situation now helps expose the hypocrisy.
Oh feck off with this shit.
Of course it's a story that United cancelled a pro LGBT+ event because one of its players refuses to show support for gay people. It's media's duty to write about it, they would be utterly failing their jobs if they didn't, and it's good that they're doing it.
No idea, sorry
I do also think that he would have been a candidate for a sale even without the statement. But the statement certainly helped to arrive at the conclusion. The club had a choice who to sell. There were Stanisic and Boey, who basically never had any scandals surrounding them. Then there was the homophobe Mazraoui, prone to injuries, who’s statement enraged the central council for Jews. It made the choice much easier for the club. In regards to his homophobia, I do very much agree with the sentiment. The statement regarding Palestine was handled very badly, however.
It's frustrating that a group of people that are often completely underrepresented at the top level of football (in terms of coaching and the boardroom) and often marginalised won't stand in solidarity with another group that are often completely underrepresented at the top of football and often marginalised.
Various supporters of LGBTQ movements are often first to the "frontline" when it comes to supporting refugees from the West's foreign policy. They're first to organise protests and collections for Palestine. They'd be the first to stand with other groups like BLM.
Mazraoui, Moorsy et al would do well to remember that. Showing the smallest amount of solidarity with others is all that was asked.
Various supporters of LGBTQ movements are often first to the "frontline" when it comes to supporting refugees from the West's foreign policy. They're first to organise protests and collections for Palestine. They'd be the first to stand with other groups like BLM.
Mazraoui, Moorsy et al would do well to remember that. Showing the smallest amount of solidarity with others is all that was asked.
I agree with your stance on Maz here, is clearly personal reasons, but honestly why would Bayern reprimand him for his post on the Israel Palestine war if not for that they agree with what Israel is doing, or they are at least okay with it? If you want to argue they don't want to take a stance in a war, they already did with the Ukraine war as well.
Its Crafton and of course he wanted to get the news out on matchday for maximum views and discussion.
The Athletic had the story and asked United for a response presumably, which obviously put United in a difficult spot. It was naive to think it wouldn't leak.
Boey was signed 6 months earlier, would've looked strange to sell him so soon. Stanisic is a younger youth level player who could also support at CB, so in that regard the logical answer would've been to sell Maz.
A question might be if they had signed Boey in Jan with the mind that they'll sell Maz in the summer because of those statements. On in Jan Bayern were really thin in that position with the injuries and Stanisic not being at the club.
Facts.
Rightly so in this case. I'm glad it's come out.
Ooh, look at Jonathan Swift with his modest proposal. Glad you included the /s, seeing how subtle it was.
There's a snake in the dressing room clearly. But Adam Crafton always tends to release a hit peice on the day of a match. It's a worthy story, but it's what he does.
Yep.
United have genuinely done great work with the Rainbow Devils in recent years so its very disappointing.
While it is disappointing by Maz from a personal perspective, but we can't force people to be progressive. He does have a choice to not wear anything he doesn't agree with. Forcing him to wear it would be more dictatorial. If progressive thoughts also follow the line that 'you do exactly what we say', then there's no difference left.
Also, for people bringing his Bayern past, his view on Palestine actually aligned with the liberal world.
Also, for people bringing his Bayern past, his view on Palestine actually aligned with the liberal world.
It doesn't have to be a player, there are stacks of staff at the club that could've leaked it.