What a bunch of knuckle draggers. Imagine still having a problem with homosexuality in 2021. Good on Germany for opposing it with the free rainbow flags. (I think they went ahead with that plan?)
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What a bunch of knuckle draggers. Imagine still having a problem with homosexuality in 2021. Good on Germany for opposing it with the free rainbow flags. (I think they went ahead with that plan?)
One of the reasons why I hate Hungarian football. The worst people are the loudest. I know it’s similar in other countries but more painful when “my” people are doing it.
Is it just me that don't understand, or do you generally think that people being beaten up is justified? Do you love violence?
While I agree that there should be concenquence if you destroy thing, beating up people is not one of them. I wonder if those who were beating other got any concenquence or was it more like "it is ok when we do it"
Why don't people just care about themself? I can never understand people hating and beating / killing someone who dosn't think or look like them. Generally speaking.
Yeah, rainbow flags were distributed at the arena entrance.
I'm still not sure why people were cheering Hungary on. Dreadful country at the moment.
Maybe not the whole country.
Very tolerant attitude, reeks of double standards to me.
You need to be rational. You can’t say a entire country is awful just because you don’t like their political leaders.
They’ve given one of them a fairly decent dick. God loves a hung button but given that it was unnecessary to draw on any penis, the fact they chose to do a fairly long one is interesting from a psychological perspective
Isn’t their political leaders absolutely dominating every election? I’m sure he has his opponents, but it seems like he, and his ideas, are very popular.
I’d love to be corrected on this by someone who knows more than me.
He can absolutely dominate the election with only 50% of votes of even less if the are more than one opposition parties. The system is complicated but the main point is, if Fidesz gets 50%, two other parties get 25+25%, Fidesz win the district. If they win 67% of the districts, they can do anything in the parliament.
In 2018, Fidesz got 48% of the votes, four oppositios parties got 23, 11, 6 and 6%. Fidesz got 133 seats out of 199 in the parliament. That’s why the opponents have to unite in 2022 and nominate only one representative in each district.
"Absolutely dominating" means 49% of all votes at the last general election (so basically 25-30% of the total population). A fragmented opposition plus gerrymandering means it gives them a 67% majority in parliament but it's not that simple.
Also, we're still a very rural country and as you might imagine, the more rural and less educated a person is, the more likely they're to vote for Fidesz. In Budapest, the country's only really big city they get destroyed in every election nowadays.
You perfectly illustrated the transition from discrimation to violence, demonstrating why this legislation is so dangerous.
Thank you both. I had a feeling that saying he is dominating is an oversimplification.
Well, he is dominating the country. That's also quite important to note: their financial and institutional advantage over all other political forces is absolutely overwhelming, for a number of reasons.
Also, I'd like to leave this here: Budapest, a day before they voted on the law in question. I'm in the crowd somewhere:
Sounds reminiscent of the political system in the United Kingdom where centre left parties are in the majority but get feck all say in anything.
How come it seems fine to admit to being gay in women's football but not in men's?
Sorry, my bad, although a couple of people clocked it.Because the game of football itself has nothing to do with discrimination and prejudices? It's the people who play/follow it and their culture, who make it that way. Which I guess is different between the men's and women's game.
I think it's part of a general trend that lesbian women are more accepted than gay men all over the world
I have no data to back this up, but that's what it seems like to me
Yeah, that’s true I think, which is a shame really.
That's encouraging to see, thank you!Well, he is dominating the country. That's also quite important to note: their financial and institutional advantage over all other political forces is absolutely overwhelming, for a number of reasons.
Also, I'd like to leave this here: Budapest, a day before they voted on the law in question. I'm in the crowd somewhere:
There's the simple fact not many people care. It's not going to generate much interest and therefore players feel more comfortable coming out.
Then, people who do give women's football even a second look tend to be more liberal to begin with.
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I reckon today it might have less to do with the dressing room these days and more to sit with not wanting to paint a target on your back for opposition crowds.
I would be pretty confident that there are also a higher percentage of gay female footballers than there are men, strength in numbers.
Hungary seemed a nice place when I visited a couple of years back, I think generalisations about an entire country are stupid— especially when you’re doing so from a supposedly progressive place.
Hungary seemed a nice place when I visited a couple of years back, I think generalisations about an entire country are stupid— especially when you’re doing so from a supposedly progressive place.
In Welsh rugby we have the example of Gareth Thomas. Admittedly he didn’t come out until he was retired from the game but since he has he seems to have had nothing but love from the Welsh rugby fans (I’m sure he’ll know of exceptions) and probably more media work, etc, as a result.
Men are more insecure about sexuality. Imagine feeling threatened in your masculinity by a rainbow flag.
I don’t think the backlash would be that bad. There will be very, very few people in the stands who don’t have a gay family member or friend
And we all know that people treat their LGBTQ family members with nothing but love and respect.
And we all know that people treat their LGBTQ family members with nothing but love and respect.
Yeah sure but it has to start somewhere. If a 16 year old kid from a council estate can come out to his Milwall supporting father with tattoos, beer gut and regular rants about ‘woofers on the telly ‘ and go still into school the next day and be proud of who he is then millionaire footballers can do it.
It’s really not that simple.
It's also a bit... backwards to put the responsibility on the oppressed to end their own oppression. And that's what it always sounds like to me when people are saying that more footballers should come out.
Precisely. It’s not their fault for not coming out. It’s society’s failure to create an environment where coming out is easy that should be criticised.
But where do you put the responsibility? I mean it makes sense to say homophobic people should stop being homophobic but they won’t. Maybe if they get used to the idea or see more famous people come out they will be more tolerant. Or if not them, then the next generation. I don’t want to say gay footballers have responsibility but they could do something for other LGMTQ people. But it’s their decision, and I’m sure it would be very difficult for them.
Appreciate it mate
I think we should create a society where coming out as homophobic is a distinctly unpleasant experience.
Precisely. But it's in line with the majority so it's all well
. Hungary is a lovely lovely country. And the women...This is a horrifying post on every level
I know, isn't it. Same goes for most of their posts. How exactly does one 'devastate' a statue, and even so how does that justify assault?