At Swansea there's a signposted number you can message anonymously to report that kind of behaviour, you just have to send the seat number.
LGBT issues in Football
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At Swansea there's a signposted number you can message anonymously to report that kind of behaviour, you just have to send the seat number.
Thats a great idea. I'd imagine though the burden of the steward proving something would be tough.
It would give a location to point the cameras at so a recording can be done, it's a fairly simple measure that can have an impact
Thats fair, I think though its about repeating and doubling down on something. For example you close the Stretford End it achieves nothing, you close it again, it achieves a little more but still not much but you continue to punish till it does work.
Facial recognition is great but when these are numbers in the hundreds or thousands you won't get them all individually I feel. I agree though it should be a first go to for sure, this would sort alot instead of relying on mobile phone and tv footage.
Agree on your last point too but I think if we can create a culture where if 100 people are around 1 or 2 idiots they can ask them to sit down and be quiet or report.
It's a mixed bag, the one time I've used it (a supporter calling a player the N word) nothing came of it and they remained in their seat for the game, other than a steward talking to them, but I know someone who used it about a couple who were drunk and aggressive and they were removed (probably more conspicuous due to them being drunk?)
I think the hope is with less visible transgressions they will get multiple texts about the behaviour, or if it's a season ticket holder the messages will show a pattern of behaviour. Sadly I do think most of the time as you theorised proving something with the less visible acts would be tough
That hadn't crossed my mind, good point, especially with gesture related incidents. A Swansea supporter was banned for a Nazi salute a few years ago, and while I think in that instance it was actually picked up by mobile phone footage, it's an example of where the cameras could come into play.
iirc he tried to argue he was miming inviting a spurs supporter for a cigarette
, but the video was as blatant as you could getExcellent. I know it's just game ban but it's a good start. Unfortunately you cannot claim that great idea for yourself cause communists and fascists was using anonymous reporting with great success a century ago.
If anyone can recall how long the Stretford End was closed that would be good to know, I'm pretty sure it was something that happened more than once and ended up being for a quite long period but I may have it wrong
re: facial recognition, stadiums have crown control cameras, we're not talking mobile phone and TV cameras here though they can be useful, the software is pretty sophisticated and because it's recorded can be run after the fact as well as real time, in this day and age of 4K cameras it should be able to identify most culprits, these cameras are constantly scanning the crowd so it's surprising to me that they aren't used more
I don't know the exact details on Stretford End but I think football is reaching a point near where its gotta be a whatever it takes to make it sink in. (We're kinda going in circle on this one as you feel regardless of how much it happens it won't change and I feel eventually people will get in line).
100% agree on point 2.
communists and fascists gave you a number to report racist behaviour in stadiums a century ago?
Anyone that uses a football club as an excuse for abuse or violence is sub par intelligence.
The idea of a club now in the the PL is far fetched anyway. The traditional club has been replaced by commercial entities with rich foreign owners staffed at the elite level by mostly foreign players who come for the money and not the dear old love of the "club" or town its in.
It's just a weird thing that football does to people. A friend of mine is one of the nicest blokes you'll meet. Compassionate and caring guy that does so much for other people in general but when he is watching Liverpool play he turns into this monster. The things he says I won't even type here but safe to say nobody is safe. Race slurs, religion, sexual persuasion, mother , family,
Literally none of us will watch football with him for a few years now.
Not a peep of that kind of thing any other time. It's mental. And worrying.
The only way to stamp it out probably is empty stadiums but that can't be done for ever. Then looking at points deduction or club suspensions from competition but that penalises players which I really don't see as fair on players.
I really have no idea how to sort abuse from the terraces
I find it so disturbing that "woke" meaning to be awake to social injustice has been hijacked by people who seem to think it means "It was okay to be a bigot ten years ago, suddenly people are calling me out on it and I dont like it so I will give them a label"
Thus Woke has become synonymous with "Millenial snowflakes"
As a trans person, i've recieved five thousand times more hate in the past two years than I did in the previous 36 years. Why? Because apparently my views of wanting equality are promoting sexual abuse, pedophilla and perversion. I've had genuine threats upon my life, I've been actively doxxed (luckily my old address) with people being told to "Kill the fecking crossdressing pedo". I've had people mock my appearance constantly (regardless of how I actually look) and be mocked as a "man in a dress with a beard with a sexual kink" I don't have a beard, I am asexual and I wear a dress maybe one day a week in summer.
It's just so disgusting how much hate folk get for simply wanting fairness and equality and this is regardless of their own personal situation.
I feel this forum is generally tolerant of people who are a bit different so I'm happy to share my views with you all, but even here, we've had some individuals have views that are polar opposite to mine.
Personally I have no issue with anyone holding whatever view they want, it's when said view actively causes a negative impact on someone's life I have an issue.
This has be a two cider rant on a Sunday afternoon.
Thus Woke has become synonymous with "Millenial snowflakes"
As a trans person, i've recieved five thousand times more hate in the past two years than I did in the previous 36 years. Why? Because apparently my views of wanting equality are promoting sexual abuse, pedophilla and perversion. I've had genuine threats upon my life, I've been actively doxxed (luckily my old address) with people being told to "Kill the fecking crossdressing pedo". I've had people mock my appearance constantly (regardless of how I actually look) and be mocked as a "man in a dress with a beard with a sexual kink" I don't have a beard, I am asexual and I wear a dress maybe one day a week in summer.
It's just so disgusting how much hate folk get for simply wanting fairness and equality and this is regardless of their own personal situation.
I feel this forum is generally tolerant of people who are a bit different so I'm happy to share my views with you all, but even here, we've had some individuals have views that are polar opposite to mine.
Personally I have no issue with anyone holding whatever view they want, it's when said view actively causes a negative impact on someone's life I have an issue.
This has be a two cider rant on a Sunday afternoon.
I offended you in the past then I apologize as it wasn't intended, it's ok to have a difference of opinion as long as it's civil and rational
TBH I have no real idea what woke is or meant to be, I rather suspect a lot of people, older folks particularly, don't like being told what they should think or do is part of it, having said that, the stuff you mention is unacceptable in any shape or form in any circumstance
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65592785
Some Toulouse players were left out of Sunday's Ligue 1 game at Nantes because they "disagreed" with a league-wide show of support against homophobia.
Some Toulouse players were left out of Sunday's Ligue 1 game at Nantes because they "disagreed" with a league-wide show of support against homophobia.
Oh good, this again.
The ol’ ‘I absolutely respect everyone, don’t you know, except when my fairytale forbids it ‘ gambit.
Isn’t religion great?
We should remember this is a Toulouse FC that were sponsored by Betway while this individual was at the club.
I think we're being a bit unfair here guys, all he's asking is for people to respect his Homophobia.
That quote from the Brest coach is so dumb. I’d be embarrassed if Ten Hag said something like that.
yeah.
Excuse me! Can we pause our campaign against homophobia cause we're fighting relegation.
‘I respect everyone, just not gays. That doesn’t mean I don’t respect everyone though.’
what?
what?
Got me in the first half.That statement is basically a copy/paste of yer man from Feyenoords statement.
so no respect then, just words. twat
Holds everyone in high regard but won't join a protest against discrimination. Yeah makes sense.
Very obviously homophobic. But that’s the good thing about these seemingly shallow campaigns, that are just pondering to the smallest common denominator. They show that even this is still controversial and there are people unwilling of doing even something so meaningless.
They are convinced and proud homophobs through and through. Hateful, vile and potentially dangerous. Now that they show us who they are, they can be fought. That’s a good thing.
They are convinced and proud homophobs through and through. Hateful, vile and potentially dangerous. Now that they show us who they are, they can be fought. That’s a good thing.
So when his beliefs are contradicting his salary, he is willing to compromise. But when no money are involved he suddenly wants respect for his own beliefs. Hypocrisy.
A man who respects everybody refuses to partake in a fairly hollow gesture to show respect to a marginalised community of people.
Comes across like that Michael Caine bit in Austin Powers, but real. "There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch."
Comes across like that Michael Caine bit in Austin Powers, but real. "There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch."
Is that not just footballers the world over though?
I have gay family members, friends, neighbours and work colleagues but astonishingly we seem to have no gay male footballers yet 99.9% claim to support LGBT.
Complete and utter BS. Why more doesn't get made of it, Ill never know.