Now Barney has been banned he has to go full retard to make up for the loss.
Lets laugh at Liverpool
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That is the kind of shit Liverpool supporters specialize in writing. You know, the literary geniuses that they are. You need to have a read at RAWK more to get familiarized with that kind of crap.
I actually think @Dumbstar has become a better poster then he was pre-Gerrard slip.
More rational and a bit less knobish.
More rational and a bit less knobish.
That sort of trauma can humble a man
Does he have any other mode?
I just don't think their squad is as good as their fans and the media think it is. Rodgers got a lot out of them last season and he hasn't been able to carry it over so far. Suarez is such a massive loss and Balotelli is never going to get anywhere near his level, however much their fans want to believe he will be. There's too much reliance on Sturridge and Sterling to perform and if one doesn't turn up or is injured they struggle.
Rodgers was in a difficult position in the Summer where he had money to spend from the Suarez sale and needed depth in his squad to compete in Europe. Just like Spurs before them the money seems to have been spread too thin and he hasn't added the required quality to take them to another level. Have they really improved their starting XI? If anything its regressed.
Rodgers was in a difficult position in the Summer where he had money to spend from the Suarez sale and needed depth in his squad to compete in Europe. Just like Spurs before them the money seems to have been spread too thin and he hasn't added the required quality to take them to another level. Have they really improved their starting XI? If anything its regressed.
Similar to the way Glaston was/is in the Spurs thread. Haven't heard from him in a while too.
Real just destroyed Bilbao without even really trying. Liverpool will get beat easily, and we can all laugh some more.
You are probably right, especially at their place but...it's still nice playing them and actually being involved in the competition.
I can't wait till we play them at home though, and we may just surprise a few people.
Cannot be easy for you guys on Champions League nights.
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It's fine. Like an extended holiday. Plus we get to see what comedy your mob serve up.
I agree, during Champions League nights at Anfield a Liverpool turn into a different team. Real Madrid will have a real fight on their hands. All they have to do is look how you performed against Ludogorets, they must be shitting themselves.#YAWN #WESLIPAGAIN #YOLO
They're not crisis club. They're just back to normal.
The OT DJ needs to play "Born Slippy" by Underworld when Liverpool next visit.
Liverpool have proven after two rounds of Champions League matches that they cannot cope with the number of matches. They can't even cope with 1 injury during the international break.
There's no strength in depth, Sturridge and Sterling both need to be playing, and playing well for Liverpool to win games properly.
So to be honest, our Champions League nights aren't too bad, we're building a squad with good depth capable of gunning for both the Premier League and the Champions League.
My my, that's a significant sample you're proving things with.
Interestingly, last season when Liverpool were enjoying months of great form from several players it was suggested on here that you can't judge a player properly (like Sturridge or Sterling) based on such a short period.
Yet, despite this call for measure and calm, Liverpool are now consigned to being utterly barren of quality and a spent force - all after a handful of matches.
Just saying...
It's pretty good actually. Usually watching you guys (City, Arse and
It's nothing to do with the number of matches, we just haven't made a good start to the season in all competitions.
Lack of a settled team, injuries plus players just not performing - so a variety of reasons.
The likes of Lallana have only recently been fit.
I take your point about Sturridge, but many teams rely on certain players it's just the way it is, even the likes of Chelsea should Costa get injured.
It's too early to judge our season.
I know, can you imagine being out of it for 5 seasons?
Cannot wait for the 13th of December to shut these clowns up.
I think they will improve from a rocky start.
Why was Barney banned? I'll have to find the thread.
First off, looked over my post before posting it, don't take it as a an argument starting post, rather a "i'd like to comment on some stuff and hope for some answers from someone following Liverpool more closely."
1. It's the same team as last year, bar Suarez being gone.
- You added more players, yes but you still have the same team.
2. Agreed, injuries and underpeforming players is something you can't really do much about without depth in quality.
- For example, we're fine if Rooney/Falcao/Rvp gets injured, but lets say Rafael goes, then we're skint on right-back for quality. You seem to lack enough quality overall with people settling in and some might just not be up for it.
3. Sakho, Lovren, Gerrard, Coutinho, Balotelli all been out injured recently?
- Genuine question, those are the players i think have been bad compared to what i'd expect.
Rickie Lambert somehow ended up at Liverpool. Just wow. The guy is so far out of his depth it's farcical.
Balotelli is just another Anelka. Talent is there for all to see, and he will wow and amaze in some matches when he can be arsed, and in others he will just be a spectator. Ultimately he will be more trouble than he is worth.
Balotelli wishes he was another Anelka. Anelka was quality.
Unfair on Anelka who was a far better player than Balotelli is.
Balotelli is one of the most over-rated player's I've ever seen. People love to big him up because of his character. But all this "he could be one of the best if he applied himself", bullshit in my opinion, he simply doesn't have the ability.
Of course it's too early to judge your season, but it's fair enough looking at your squad and thining that you won't make top 4. You didnt do good businessl in the summer imo. I might be wrong but I really don't think you will make a top 4 place this season.
@MrEriksen
1. It's the same team as last year, bar Suarez being gone.
- You added more players, yes but you still have the same team.
It's not the same team - for example against Everton we had 6 new players in the starting XI.
You could argue injuries dictated that to a degree.
2. Agreed, injuries and underpeforming players is something you can't really do much about without depth in quality.
- For example, we're fine if Rooney/Falcao/Rvp gets injured, but lets say Rafael goes, then we're skint on right-back for quality. You seem to lack enough quality overall with people settling in and some might just not be up for it.
Sturridge is obviously the one at present we really miss and so far haven't really come with up the goods when he has been unavailable.
Our first choice full backs of last season Johnson and Flanagan have been injured but Moreno looks very good and Manquillo has had good moments too.
Allen stepped into midfield and started the season well and then got injured playing for Wales. I have liked the look of Can but he also got injured on international duty.
I suppose Sturridge as I say is the obvious one, as we clearly miss him.
3. Sakho, Lovren, Gerrard, Coutinho, Balotelli all been out injured recently?
- Genuine question, those are the players i think have been bad compared to what i'd expect.[/QUOTE]
Sakho is injured at the moment but still doubt whether he is the managers first choice anyway. Coutinho missed a couple of games and when he has played hasn't looked so far the same player as last season.
Lovren so far hasn't really impressed in every game, I thought he would be more commanding but it's still too early to tell.
Balotelli signing was clearly a risk, however there were signs on Saturday he is settling down, he linked up really well with Gerrard when he was moved forward. I don't see the point of playing him up front on his own, but with Sturridge being out injured he hasn't really had the opportunity to forge a partnership at all.
1. It's the same team as last year, bar Suarez being gone.
- You added more players, yes but you still have the same team.
It's not the same team - for example against Everton we had 6 new players in the starting XI.
You could argue injuries dictated that to a degree.
2. Agreed, injuries and underpeforming players is something you can't really do much about without depth in quality.
- For example, we're fine if Rooney/Falcao/Rvp gets injured, but lets say Rafael goes, then we're skint on right-back for quality. You seem to lack enough quality overall with people settling in and some might just not be up for it.
Sturridge is obviously the one at present we really miss and so far haven't really come with up the goods when he has been unavailable.
Our first choice full backs of last season Johnson and Flanagan have been injured but Moreno looks very good and Manquillo has had good moments too.
Allen stepped into midfield and started the season well and then got injured playing for Wales. I have liked the look of Can but he also got injured on international duty.
I suppose Sturridge as I say is the obvious one, as we clearly miss him.
3. Sakho, Lovren, Gerrard, Coutinho, Balotelli all been out injured recently?
- Genuine question, those are the players i think have been bad compared to what i'd expect.[/QUOTE]
Sakho is injured at the moment but still doubt whether he is the managers first choice anyway. Coutinho missed a couple of games and when he has played hasn't looked so far the same player as last season.
Lovren so far hasn't really impressed in every game, I thought he would be more commanding but it's still too early to tell.
Balotelli signing was clearly a risk, however there were signs on Saturday he is settling down, he linked up really well with Gerrard when he was moved forward. I don't see the point of playing him up front on his own, but with Sturridge being out injured he hasn't really had the opportunity to forge a partnership at all.
Fair enough - time will tell. I think many underrate Lallana for example, but it's all about opinion.
I used to think like this but I've realised over the years you need to get your laughs in whilst you can in this game.
A perfect example is the the other weekend when they got stuffed by West Ham. Now, going into Saturday evening you have two options as a United fan;
Option 1: Get your laughs in whilst you can.
Option 2: Withhold your laughs until we've safely negotiated the Leicester game the next day.
Now, given both options, we can now look at how the Scousers will react should should we lose to Leicester the next day.
If you chose Option 1: Scousers will laugh like feck
If you chose Option 2: Scousers will laugh like feck.
As you can see from the evidence, witholding your laughs only achieves one thing, you miss out on laughs if Uniteds feck up is equal to or worse than the Scousers.
So to conclude, never pass up the opportunity to laugh at the Scousers
It's not about having the same team in 1 specific match, you do have the same players from the squad last year, except Suarez. I'm not saying that it's not a huge thing to either replace a star like him or to involve 7-8 new players seemlesly into the squad.
I'm saying that if Rodgers had so much faith that you were fine last year with your setup without Suarez, he'd continue with that and let the new guys force their way in and being given the chance when others needed a rest. And i belive that if that was the case, he'd start Borini before Lambert up top who doesn't seem to be given a chance at all after he turned down the move to sunderland, despite being the more like-for-like replacement as compared to really both Lambert and Balotelli.
(though i'd also give Balotelli a go before Borini in case Balotelli shrugged off his mental problems)
Moreno is in every way an upgrade to Flanagan/Enrique/whoever CB you neded up playing on left-back last year in my opinion, and he has the potential to be the best of your signings of the last window i think. He fits your profile, gives you speed and just needs to settle inn, still brings what I'd expect for someone tactically in that role in Rodgers team.
A road-stick is a defensively upgrade on Johnson is a common joke on the internet for a reason, as decent/good as he is going forward i don't think you guys can afford the tradeoff with your CB and CDM being so poor. So i'd say you got an upgrade in Manquillo as well.
Allen was pretty much a backup-waterboy last year, wasn't he? Rotated in just when you had to. For the most part Henderson and Gerrard was playing, with Lucas being prefered above Allen after he got healthy again (might be wrong on the last one, that's how i remember it), so saying him being out is a huge loss in your general play just doesn't sit right with my current knowledge of Liverpool and Rodgers philosophy, even if he did good at the start of the season or at the summer tour.
Sturridge is the clear miss indeed, i completely agree with that as I mentioned earlier. He's got that swift movement and eye for a goal that Balotelli doesn't seem to bother to have, Lambert don't seem good enough for and Borini doesn't seem to get a chance to show that he's gotte. But if the striker makes up so much for the clubs way of playing the question comes back, why isn't the more similar player with the obviously good atittude towards working hard being tried out at least in Borini before a failing Balotelli and Lambert who's quality is best as a backup to annoy already tired defenders. Borini stretches the opponents way more than Lambert and Balotelli does together.
I also agree and strongly doubt that Sakho is Brendans first choice, but i really think he should be.
Skrtel has showed before that he is willing to work hard and be a squad player, and i think they are of around equal quality - yet Sakho expects to start more often and needs it to progress to a level where you have another good/great centre back. Would you rather have Skrtel at his current level who won't suddenly become a better player, or develop Sakho more for the benefit of the club?
That is another thing I find hard to understand about Rodgers management of his team.
If i'm not mistaken, you now play with one spot open in your presumed first XI?
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Manquillo - Lovren - Skrtel - Moreno
Gerrard(holding) - Henderson(box2box)
X - Sterling - Lallana
Sturridge
Wouldn't it be better for the team to put in another midfielder and not ever, ever use Gerrard as the one shielding the backline? Sure you guys need some mobility up top but it to work, but even with Sturridge out you'd still have a trio of Lallana, Sterling and one of Coutinho/Suso/Borini//Markovic to use and the rest to rotate. I think the biggest reason for Coutinho having a fail-start of a season so far is because of the lack of movement from the front-man. Sturridge gives that when he plays up top, but Balotelli and Lambert really doesn't offer that much movement.Manquillo - Lovren - Skrtel - Moreno
Gerrard(holding) - Henderson(box2box)
X - Sterling - Lallana
Sturridge
Just by looking at physioroom you can easily notice that Lucas Leiva should be free to take up that defensive midfielder spot, easing the defensive preassure you currently have on both Gerrard and your backline. But yet again, i can't say i've noticed Rodgers taking any sort of action towards that at all. Has Lucas recently been completely shite in training or or been injured and is planned to return to fitness now?
I'm not sure if i'm the blind one or Rodgers. But i see a lot of managerial opportunities that he should have at least given a chance or have thought (and to put a joke in) and therefor talked about to the media instead of his "transition" talk.
(Let's face it, it's most likely me seeing as he's educated on managing and i'm some random guy in Norway who sits in a couch in a rented appartment)
To end it off, the whole post can look completely wrong, but it's based on the information I have on Liverpool which is mostly through media, a mate and a game every now and then.
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You know, as long as it's only for one season I'm kind of enjoying the break from the CL. I can relax and watch the likes of Liverpool make fools of themselves in the competition.
It's not about having the same team in 1 specific match, you do have the same players from the squad last year, except Suarez. I'm not saying that it's not a huge thing to either replace a star like him or to involve 7-8 new players seemlesly into the squad.
I'm saying that if Rodgers had so much faith that you were fine last year with your setup without Suarez, he'd continue with that and let the new guys force their way in and being given the chance when others needed a rest. And i belive that if that was the case, he'd start Borini before Lambert up top who doesn't seem to be given a chance at all after he turned down the move to sunderland, despite being the more like-for-like replacement as compared to really both Lambert and Balotelli.
(though i'd also give Balotelli a go before Borini in case Balotelli shrugged off his mental problems)
Moreno is in every way an upgrade to Flanagan/Enrique/whoever CB you neded up playing on left-back last year in my opinion, and he has the potential to be the best of your signings of the last window i think. He fits your profile, gives you speed and just needs to settle inn, still brings what I'd expect for someone tactically in that role in Rodgers team.
Definitely on Moreno, though gutted Flanagan got injured as I definitely see him as a regular.
A road-stick is a defensively upgrade on Johnson is a common joke on the internet for a reason, as decent/good as he is going forward i don't think you guys can afford the tradeoff with your CB and CDM being so poor. So i'd say you got an upgrade in Manquillo as well.
Manquillo has real promise but also is very naive still - I agree on Johnson, however to contradict that now he is back from injury he did provide some extra composure on the ball when he came on for Manquillo against WBA.
Allen was pretty much a backup-waterboy last year, wasn't he? Rotated in just when you had to. For the most part Henderson and Gerrard was playing, with Lucas being prefered above Allen after he got healthy again (might be wrong on the last one, that's how i remember it), so saying him being out is a huge loss in your general play just doesn't sit right with my current knowledge of Liverpool and Rodgers philosophy, even if he did good at the start of the season or at the summer tour.
Allen has had terrible luck with injuries, so it's hard to gauge. But when he played at the beginning of the season he was one of our best players and does add a little extra mobility the likes of Gerrard and Lucas lack.
He still has a lot to prove but has shown some of the good form he showed at Swansea.
Sturridge is the clear miss indeed, i completely agree with that as I mentioned earlier. He's got that swift movement and eye for a goal that Balotelli doesn't seem to bother to have, Lambert don't seem good enough for and Borini doesn't seem to get a chance to show that he's gotte. But if the striker makes up so much for the clubs way of playing the question comes back, why isn't the more similar player with the obviously good atittude towards working hard being tried out at least in Borini before a failing Balotelli and Lambert who's quality is best as a backup to annoy already tired defenders. Borini stretches the opponents way more than Lambert and Balotelli does together.
I have been surprised by some of the selections, Lambert for instance on his own up front against WBA clearly didn't work, same with Balotelli - he needs someone up there with him.
Problem is Sturridge hasn't been fit to pair up with Mario yet.
I also agree and strongly doubt that Sakho is Brendans first choice, but i really think he should be.
Skrtel has showed before that he is willing to work hard and be a squad player, and i think they are of around equal quality - yet Sakho expects to start more often and needs it to progress to a level where you have another good/great centre back. Would you rather have Skrtel at his current level who won't suddenly become a better player, or develop Sakho more for the benefit of the club?
That is another thing I find hard to understand about Rodgers management of his team.
Sakho is totally left sided, which is where Lovren prefers to play, I honestly think it's Lovren OR Sakho at the moment.
Personally I would rather we played Skrtel and Lovren so that partnership can develop as that doesn't just happen overnight - that said, there is no evidence we have resolved the defensive problems we had last year.
I actually think Ilori (who is out on loan), could end up the best of the bunch.
If i'm not mistaken, you now play with one spot open in your presumed first X?
(yes, i notice i don't mention Balotelli and Lambert, they simply don't have the movement to play like you guys did last year and will only be plan-b players in my book)
I think Manquillo might be rested for a bit and he will go with Johnson for a while. To be honest I would add Balotelli to that line up to see if he can develop a partnership with Sturridge.
You might be right about Coutinho, he relies on that movement which isn't really Mario's game at all.
Just by looking at physioroom you can easily notice that Lucas Leiva should be free to take up that defensive midfielder spot, easing the defensive preassure you currently have on both Gerrard and your backline. But yet again, i can't say i've noticed Rodgers taking any sort of action towards that at all. Has Lucas recently been completely shite in training or or been injured and is planned to return to fitness now?
Lucas has no pace and is often found to be a bit pedestrian, I wouldn't have him in the squad once Allen and Can are fit.
I'm not sure if i'm the blind one or Rodgers. But i see a lot of managerial opportunities that he should have at least given a chance or have thought (and to put a joke in) and therefor talked about to the media instead of his "transition" talk.
(Let's face it, it's most likely me seeing as he's educated on managing and i'm some random guy in Norway who sits in a couch in a rented appartment)
For a random guy you talk a lot of sense and know a lot about football mate!
To end it off, the whole post can look completely wrong, but it's based on the information I have on Liverpool which is mostly through media, a mate and a game every now and then.
I'm saying that if Rodgers had so much faith that you were fine last year with your setup without Suarez, he'd continue with that and let the new guys force their way in and being given the chance when others needed a rest. And i belive that if that was the case, he'd start Borini before Lambert up top who doesn't seem to be given a chance at all after he turned down the move to sunderland, despite being the more like-for-like replacement as compared to really both Lambert and Balotelli.
(though i'd also give Balotelli a go before Borini in case Balotelli shrugged off his mental problems)
Moreno is in every way an upgrade to Flanagan/Enrique/whoever CB you neded up playing on left-back last year in my opinion, and he has the potential to be the best of your signings of the last window i think. He fits your profile, gives you speed and just needs to settle inn, still brings what I'd expect for someone tactically in that role in Rodgers team.
Definitely on Moreno, though gutted Flanagan got injured as I definitely see him as a regular.
A road-stick is a defensively upgrade on Johnson is a common joke on the internet for a reason, as decent/good as he is going forward i don't think you guys can afford the tradeoff with your CB and CDM being so poor. So i'd say you got an upgrade in Manquillo as well.
Manquillo has real promise but also is very naive still - I agree on Johnson, however to contradict that now he is back from injury he did provide some extra composure on the ball when he came on for Manquillo against WBA.
Allen was pretty much a backup-waterboy last year, wasn't he? Rotated in just when you had to. For the most part Henderson and Gerrard was playing, with Lucas being prefered above Allen after he got healthy again (might be wrong on the last one, that's how i remember it), so saying him being out is a huge loss in your general play just doesn't sit right with my current knowledge of Liverpool and Rodgers philosophy, even if he did good at the start of the season or at the summer tour.
Allen has had terrible luck with injuries, so it's hard to gauge. But when he played at the beginning of the season he was one of our best players and does add a little extra mobility the likes of Gerrard and Lucas lack.
He still has a lot to prove but has shown some of the good form he showed at Swansea.
Sturridge is the clear miss indeed, i completely agree with that as I mentioned earlier. He's got that swift movement and eye for a goal that Balotelli doesn't seem to bother to have, Lambert don't seem good enough for and Borini doesn't seem to get a chance to show that he's gotte. But if the striker makes up so much for the clubs way of playing the question comes back, why isn't the more similar player with the obviously good atittude towards working hard being tried out at least in Borini before a failing Balotelli and Lambert who's quality is best as a backup to annoy already tired defenders. Borini stretches the opponents way more than Lambert and Balotelli does together.
I have been surprised by some of the selections, Lambert for instance on his own up front against WBA clearly didn't work, same with Balotelli - he needs someone up there with him.
Problem is Sturridge hasn't been fit to pair up with Mario yet.
I also agree and strongly doubt that Sakho is Brendans first choice, but i really think he should be.
Skrtel has showed before that he is willing to work hard and be a squad player, and i think they are of around equal quality - yet Sakho expects to start more often and needs it to progress to a level where you have another good/great centre back. Would you rather have Skrtel at his current level who won't suddenly become a better player, or develop Sakho more for the benefit of the club?
That is another thing I find hard to understand about Rodgers management of his team.
Sakho is totally left sided, which is where Lovren prefers to play, I honestly think it's Lovren OR Sakho at the moment.
Personally I would rather we played Skrtel and Lovren so that partnership can develop as that doesn't just happen overnight - that said, there is no evidence we have resolved the defensive problems we had last year.
I actually think Ilori (who is out on loan), could end up the best of the bunch.
If i'm not mistaken, you now play with one spot open in your presumed first X?
Mignolet
Manquillo - Lovren - Skrtel - Moreno
Gerrard(holding) - Henderson(box2box)
X - Sterling - Lallana
Sturridge
Wouldn't it be better for the team to put in another midfielder and not ever, ever use Gerrard as the one shielding the backline? Sure you guys need some mobility up top but it to work, but even with Sturridge out you'd still have a trio of Lallana, Sterling and one of Coutinho/Suso/Borini//Markovic to use and the rest to rotate. I think the biggest reason for Coutinho having a fail-start of a season so far is because of the lack of movement from the front-man. Sturridge gives that when he plays up top, but Balotelli and Lambert really doesn't offer that much movement.Manquillo - Lovren - Skrtel - Moreno
Gerrard(holding) - Henderson(box2box)
X - Sterling - Lallana
Sturridge
(yes, i notice i don't mention Balotelli and Lambert, they simply don't have the movement to play like you guys did last year and will only be plan-b players in my book)
I think Manquillo might be rested for a bit and he will go with Johnson for a while. To be honest I would add Balotelli to that line up to see if he can develop a partnership with Sturridge.
You might be right about Coutinho, he relies on that movement which isn't really Mario's game at all.
Just by looking at physioroom you can easily notice that Lucas Leiva should be free to take up that defensive midfielder spot, easing the defensive preassure you currently have on both Gerrard and your backline. But yet again, i can't say i've noticed Rodgers taking any sort of action towards that at all. Has Lucas recently been completely shite in training or or been injured and is planned to return to fitness now?
Lucas has no pace and is often found to be a bit pedestrian, I wouldn't have him in the squad once Allen and Can are fit.
I'm not sure if i'm the blind one or Rodgers. But i see a lot of managerial opportunities that he should have at least given a chance or have thought (and to put a joke in) and therefor talked about to the media instead of his "transition" talk.
(Let's face it, it's most likely me seeing as he's educated on managing and i'm some random guy in Norway who sits in a couch in a rented appartment)
For a random guy you talk a lot of sense and know a lot about football mate!
To end it off, the whole post can look completely wrong, but it's based on the information I have on Liverpool which is mostly through media, a mate and a game every now and then.
Agreed.