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Lets laugh at Liverpool
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is 4th still assured then rafa?
is 4th still assured then rafa?
Well there has to be a positive element to City winning tonight
FACHT:
We were talking about not letting the fans down in terms of team effort and I think we did this.
Question: I am no expert in English, but isn't there something wrong with this phrase? You please your fan by loosing?
We were talking about not letting the fans down in terms of team effort and I think we did this.
Question: I am no expert in English, but isn't there something wrong with this phrase? You please your fan by loosing?
Just happened to come across this picture, and it made me laugh. Figured it needed a home, and this thread seemed to fit the bill:
he fell on the floor like a puppet...
Just happened to come across this picture, and it made me laugh. Figured it needed a home, and this thread seemed to fit the bill:
That's fake no?
Just happened to come across this picture, and it made me laugh. Figured it needed a home, and this thread seemed to fit the bill:
FSW says Europa League equal to Champions League
Benfica v Liverpool: Rafael Benítez says Europa League equal to Champions League - Telegraph
Benfica v Liverpool: Rafael Benítez says Europa League equal to Champions League - Telegraph
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YES!!!....I was looking for this a while back!
Nope. I even mentioned it in a 10 things and asked for a GIF of it...It's genius!
He's losing his mind.
He had this to say about Gerrard in the same interview/press conference:
:benitez:
(surely the houllier smilie is due an update?)
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feck me, haven't laughed so hard in a long time
That's brilliant!
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Anyway we have done Liverpool a huge favor this week by beating both City and Spurs. Now they need to return the favor.
Just happened to come across this picture, and it made me laugh. Figured it needed a home, and this thread seemed to fit the bill:
NZonzi has really been excellent for blackburn this season. A real gem of a player that lad. Sam got him on the cheap as well.
Anyway we have done Liverpool a huge favor this week by beating both City and Spurs. Now they need to return the favor.
I wonder if they are happy that we beat both City and Spurs, so Liverpool still have a chance to snatch the fourth spot...
I think the Scousers are disappointed that we won today.
Now they need to return the favor.
Don't count on it, their chances on 4th spot are at most a theoretical possibility. They all know it and they'd be happy to do anything that stops us from winning the 19th title...
Not really. There is still a chance if results go their way that they can get to 4th. City lose today, and city spuds play to a draw and the dippers can find a way in through the back door. They need to beat chelsea which is tough, but not impossible at home. They should whip both Burnley and Hull so there are 9 points on offer which should take them to 4th....
But city need to lose today or it's all for naught.
In that case:
COME ON CITY!!!
COME ON CITY!!!
Such a massive spastic.
If Liverpool don't get 4th place this season, there is a danger that they will be left behind. Man City are going to spend a lot of money, anyway, so the rest of us need the Champions League money to compete.
You still have a chance, and while it may hand the title to United, I would suggest that your need to get in the Champions League is far greater than our need to win the league title.
Even if you beat Chelsea you may miss out, of course, but you have to go for it, surely?
Welcome to Manchester Pogue.
My serious take? Financially things are beginning to happen in the background at last. Not saying we'll be flush or anything, but we hopefully won't be owned by clueless yanks. Considering how screwed we have been with crippling loans, that for me is like CL qualification already. Yes we might get bad owners again, but at least we're having a go, surely? If you were offered the chance of the glazers selling to the Red Knights for one of your league titles, would you accept?
If you win no.19 we may never reach that number for 5 years, or a lot more. This is a milestone season for more than one reason and as far as I'm concerned I hope you stay within (my personal opinion) our ever decreased shadow. No.19 in my mind puts us in yours and that thought is the over-ruling one above all others.
Addendum: not qualifying for CL will test RBS's resolve and put our yanks under excrutiating pressure which I'm personally enjoying. Plus, there might be a bonus of Rafa leaving as he's failed in one of his many targets this season. I'm thinking of the positives of not qualifying not the negatives.
The only problem with that is that, while both Liverpool and United need to get rid of their current owners, I can't see how you are likely to find anyone with the kind of money that you would need to allow you to not qualify for the Champions League — possibly over a period of 2-3 years — and still compete.
Look at Chelsea. Abramovich was worth something like £10 billion when he arrived. He has apparently lost some of that value because of the global economic crisis, but he is still worth several billion. However, as with all people who are worth a lot of money, much of that is tied up in their other interests and not available to entirely fund a football club at the highest level.
But even if you have three or four billion pounds that is readily available, that isn't enough to bankroll a football club for very long. It might sound like a lot of money, and of course it is, but Abramovich realized after spending half a billion in a couple of years that he simply couldn't carry on spending at the same rate. About the only people who could — at least for a decade or so — are those who also rule a nation, and so, have an entire countries GDP to play with.
As far as I am aware, nobody of that stature is interested in purchasing Liverpool. Even D.I.C. are an investment operation who don't spend money unless they have a very real chance of getting a return. So, they would perhaps be willing to bankroll a few signings in the hope that it would pay off, but not much more.
The fact is, though, that both United and Liverpool are more than capable of funding themselves. Yes, Liverpool need to catch up with United in terms of marketing and world wide reach, but the fans are there — as yet, you simply haven't tapped in to that market. You were left behind in the early-to-mid-nineties in that regard and haven't caught up since.
So, for example, United made a profit last season of roughly £90m before tax and prior to debt repayment. And that was also prior to the sale of Ronaldo, which is a one off. The tax was roughly £22m. Without the debt repayment, there would have been roughly £68m. It's doubtful that we would spend it all on transfers, of course, but it does highlight the potential that we have to fund ourselves. And I have no doubt that Liverpool could, if not match it, get fairly close. We are the only two clubs who could, though.
All in all, then, I would agree that you need new owners and investment, but I just can't see it being anything like enough, if you also lose your place in the top four for more than a season, for example. Few people in the world are prepared to spend £100m of their own money every year, without a return, so the best hope that Liverpool have, in my opinion, is to find an owner with the clubs best interests at heart, who will also help to build the new stadium.
You will still need to qualify for the Champions League, however, and with Arsenal supposedly about have a lot more to spend, United hopefully getting rid of the Glazer's, and Chelsea and Man City having owners who are prepared to spend their own money, someone is going to miss out on the top four every year. Liverpool lack investment as it is. The last thing that you need is to lose even more.
Thanks for the long sensible post. I found some conflicting points but then its not an easy situation to predict. There are also a few hopeful, dare I say desperate, comments in there at the end, i.e. Glazers leaving Man Utd. Unless they have had massive losses in the US like our yank tw*ts then that's only a pipe dream for you.
Liverpool with the likes of Glen, Stevie, Nino and Agger injured for most of the season has left us looking poor. For this I partly, nay mostly, blame Rafa. He's had 6 years and done an ordinary job in my assumption (i.e. over playing Lucas and Kuyt, etc). We don't need to spend £100 million to buy back Glen, Stevie, Nino and Agger. They should be available to us free next season. Man City DO need to buy these four players and quickly for a lot of money. We won't be challenging the likes of Chelsea, Man Utd, etc next season, but in all honesty do you think we'll be this bad next season?
Liverpool with the likes of Glen, Stevie, Nino and Agger injured for most of the season has left us looking poor. For this I partly, nay mostly, blame Rafa. He's had 6 years and done an ordinary job in my assumption (i.e. over playing Lucas and Kuyt, etc). We don't need to spend £100 million to buy back Glen, Stevie, Nino and Agger. They should be available to us free next season. Man City DO need to buy these four players and quickly for a lot of money. We won't be challenging the likes of Chelsea, Man Utd, etc next season, but in all honesty do you think we'll be this bad next season?
Glen, Stevie and Nino?
You complete gayer.
Do you think your players like Torres and Agger are miracuously going to stop being crocks?
And Gerrard isn't getting any younger.
Glen Johnson is a joke of a defender. You'd be better playing him on the wing.
Yes...
It's about your level.
Now piss off out of this thread cretin, this threads for laughing...
Glen, Stevie and Nino?
You complete gayer.
Do you think your players like Torres and Agger are miracuously going to stop being crocks?
And Gerrard isn't getting any younger.
Glen Johnson is a joke of a defender. You'd be better playing him on the wing.
Glen's not as bad as you're making him out to be. He's certainly 100 times better defensively than Bale and Ekottu, he just needs a run of injury free games to get his confidence right. You're not writing Rafael off yet are you?
Gerrard has one more season in him if he stays. Younger than Scholes and Giggs.
Torres has always played injured, but never as badly as this season. His goal return during past injured seasons hasn't been bad. A bit like Rooney who seems to have injuries now and again also if I remember correctly.
Rafael's a teenager. Johnson should be in his peak or approaching it.
Gerrard is nowhere near as clever a footballer as Giggs or Scholes, age will not treat him well once he loses his pace and dynamism.
Torres only played 6 less games this season than last. He might improve on that, then again he might not. Maybe he'll realise that he needs to move on for the best of his career.
Liverpool is a graveyard for talent.
Agreed Rafa isn't doing a great job with 'talent' which, going back to Joga's point, one silver lining could be him saving us paying off his contract by him choosing to go to Juve or Real. One of owners/Rafa going, or both, is good for me.
hah..finally a scouser admitting rafa is screwing things up at Anfield.
bloody hell...I hope all of you dont wake up.
bloody hell...I hope all of you dont wake up.
If Rafa goes, so will Torres (Nino) in all likelihood.
I've been trying to break your KRAP campaign for over a year now. Looks like I'm getting close to succeeding.
I've been trying to break your KRAP campaign for over a year now. Looks like I'm getting close to succeeding.
tbf he has a poor relationship with the owners, which Fergie does not have with the Glazers.
said elsewhere, I think he is a good coach but he cant handle all the pressure of the managers's job.
I don't believe that you will be as poor as this season, but without the Champions League money, there might not be very much investment in the team. A full strength Liverpool side are capable of getting in to the top four, and possibly even challenging for the title — although, at this moment in time, last season looks like a one off. The danger is that Man City, Tottenham, and even Aston Villa and Everton will be there again next season.
However, as I've said, a potential new owner will likely need to help to fund the new stadium, so unless they are in the Abramovich category of wealth, it's possible that it will be an either/or situation — either you build the new stadium, which is an absolute must if you are to compete in the long term, or you invest in new players, which doesn't guarantee anything.
Even if the potential new owner was willing to buy the club and to fund the stadium (very doubtful, in my opinion), having to also fund massive investment in the team, with almost no input from club, itself, only makes Liverpool a less attractive investment.
I could be wrong, of course, but if there were a lot more multi-billionaires willing to invest vast sums in to football clubs, I'd be very surprised. At some point, every club has to be able to compete using their own wealth. Apart from Man City, that is, but even that cannot go on forever.