Leon Goretzka | Bayern player in the summer

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RDCR07 said:
It wont matter if we are interested as long as Bayern Munich in the mix.
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Don’t get this? Thought people would get it by now. Money talks it’s simple.
If we offer him quite a bit more than Bayern he will probably come here just like atleast 90% players would choose an extra 10-15 grand + a week. It’s not like Leicester or Bayern is his straight choice, plus the so called top clubs around the world have lost a little glamour in my opinion as most clubs (England or cash rich) especially can all compete financially nowadays.
 
Lawman said:
Don’t get this? Thought people would get it by now. Money talks it’s simple.
If we offer him quite a bit more than Bayern he will probably come here just like atleast 90% players would choose an extra 10-15 grand + a week. It’s not like Leicester or Bayern is his straight choice, plus the so called top clubs around the world have lost a little glamour in my opinion as most clubs (England or cash rich) especially can all compete financially nowadays.
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Well not everyone will be willing to leave their homeland. Some players would be willing to take less money but stay in Germany. He could very well be one of those people. Also this is Bayern we are talking about. Its a top 5 club and they are more than capable of paying their players good money.
 
RDCR07 said:
Well not everyone will be willing to leave their homeland. Some players would be willing to take less money but stay in Germany. He could very well be one of those people. Also this is Bayern we are talking about. Its a top 5 club and they are more than capable of paying their players good money.
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I agree with you but we got to try and the landscape has changed. I think we’d be surprised how many teams especially in England will start to blow away the so called established big clubs financially and we’ok be seeing more top players at lower league teams in England due to the richies on offer.
 
RDCR07 said:
It wont matter if we are interested as long as Bayern Munich in the mix.
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Not all Germans automatically dream of playing for Bayern above all else.
 
User 72192 said:
I personally see only positive aspects for Goretzka if he joins Bayern, no downsides. Only personal taste could really heavily influence the decision making here.
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What about his place in the team? What would that be? We have Thiago, Vidal, Tolisso, Müller and James covering the area of the pitch where Goretzka would have to find space.
And right now, Goretzka is not a better performer than any of them bar Tolisso.
 
Cristiano Lell said:
What about his place in the team? What would that be? We have Thiago, Vidal, Tolisso, Müller and James covering the area of the pitch where Goretzka would have to find space.
And right now, Goretzka is not a better performer than any of them bar Tolisso.
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James will probably go back to Madrid. Don't think Bayern will spend 30m on him. Goretzka would be free and younger as well. Although I would want Goretzka to join United. If only we can get Ozil and then use Ozil to convince Goretzka to join United as well.
 
beingshe7don said:
James will probably go back to Madrid. Don't think Bayern will spend 30m on him. Goretzka would be free and younger as well. Although I would want Goretzka to join United. If only we can get Ozil and then use Ozil to convince Goretzka to join United as well.
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James has been one of the best players lately..people keep saying the same nonsense about James, but he has been a joy to watch and is getting better and better. Why exactly should Bayern not be willing to pay such a sum for him? Would be a steal.

Comparing James and Goretzka also makes no sense at all.
 
Cristiano Lell said:
What about his place in the team? What would that be? We have Thiago, Vidal, Tolisso, Müller and James covering the area of the pitch where Goretzka would have to find space.
And right now, Goretzka is not a better performer than any of them bar Tolisso.
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A) Thiago, Goretzka, James

B) Rudy, Tolisso, Müller/Brandt

Martinez CB/DM hybrid - depends on coach
Vidal sold
Müller right wing/2nd striker - depends on coach
 
Nostradamus said:
James has been one of the best players lately..people keep saying the same nonsense about James, but he has been a joy to watch and is getting better and better. Why exactly should Bayern not be willing to pay such a sum for him? Would be a steal.

Comparing James and Goretzka also makes no sense at all.
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For someone who refers to himself as Nostradamus, you don't seem to read carefully. I wasn't making a comparison between James and Goretzka. I was talking about about the earlier post in which the poster mentioned that there would be no space and listed several Bayern midfielders and I said that James would likely return to Madrid. Secondly, I mentioned nothing about James not performing or performing badly. He could very well go back to Madrid since Madrid have been struggling with goals and CR7 having a crappy season.

As for Goretzka, he may love to play for Bayern but these days, those sentiments don't play a huge part in players deciding their future. By that logic,
Mhikitaryan should have joined Arsenal
Luke Shaw should have joined Chelsea
Zaha should have joined Arsenal
and so on....
 
beingshe7don said:
For someone who refers to himself as Nostradamus, you don't seem to read carefully. I wasn't making a comparison between James and Goretzka. I was talking about about the earlier post in which the poster mentioned that there would be no space and listed several Bayern midfielders and I said that James would likely return to Madrid. Secondly, I mentioned nothing about James not performing or performing badly. He could very well go back to Madrid since Madrid have been struggling with goals and CR7 having a crappy season.

As for Goretzka, he may love to play for Bayern but these days, those sentiments don't play a huge part in players deciding their future. By that logic,
Mhikitaryan should have joined Arsenal
Luke Shaw should have joined Chelsea
Zaha should have joined Arsenal
and so on....
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The comment was also meant for all the other people comparing them..no offense.

Bayern have been after Goretzka even before he got his breakthrough at Bochum..Bayern legend Gerland has him on his radar since ages and it has been written in the stars since these days, that he will play for Bayern one day.

He went to Schalke with 18, cos he wanted to finish school first and Schalke is near and known for trusting in young players. Bayern were so relaxed last summer with the complete situation and the comments of Rummenigge were pretty clear for me..the smug smiles did the rest..the deal is done and dusted.

Edit James: You make it sound like its the decision of Madrid. Right now, absolutely NOTHING suggests James leaving..its the opposite.
 
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Bayern fans on the bayern forums and twitter are very confident in getting him. His decision should be announced early january.
 
Lawman said:
Don’t get this? Thought people would get it by now. Money talks it’s simple.
If we offer him quite a bit more than Bayern he will probably come here just like atleast 90% players would choose an extra 10-15 grand + a week. It’s not like Leicester or Bayern is his straight choice, plus the so called top clubs around the world have lost a little glamour in my opinion as most clubs (England or cash rich) especially can all compete financially nowadays.
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Don't be so cheap. That's half a million/year, you won't be able to change anybody's mind with that kind of money.
Maradona10 said:
Bayern fans on the bayern forums and twitter are very confident in getting him. His decision should be announced early january.
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Bayern fans are always confident, they don't know shit though.
 
Seems a weird story for SSN to run with if they haven't been given any info on it. One to keep an eye on for sure.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
He is probably negotiating a salary with bayern and is leaking this to the press to drive up salary. And wouldn't play ahead of matic and pogba.
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We could drop the #10 role and give Pogba full license to dictate games. We'd also have more defensive contribution from 3 midfielders than if we play Mata/Micky. We definitely need another top class midfielder, no question. His next destination is probably already decided. Would be a nice surprise if we have could manage it, not least because reports say Jose doesn't have to much money to play with, needing to sell first.
 
Bastian said:
We could drop the #10 role and give Pogba full license to dictate games. We'd also have more defensive contribution from 3 midfielders than if we play Mata/Micky. We definitely need another top class midfielder, no question. His next destination is probably already decided. Would be a nice surprise if we have could manage it, not least because reports say Jose doesn't have to much money to play with, needing to sell first.
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We could but Jose's history doesn't make it very likely. He had chance to play player of the year herrera but stuck with our poor number 10s - he really wants to play 10s
 
Crashoutcassius said:
I'd say we are more likely to continue with 2 cms as we do in most games now.
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Even if so, if Pogba gets injured we don't have another midfielder capable of what he does. The rest of our midfielders are holding/defensive midfielders bar Fellaini who can't do what a playmaker can neither.
 
Get Goretzka and Ozil on a free, spunk the 100M+ on fullbacks and a RW.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
We could but Jose's history doesn't make it very likely. He had chance to play player of the year herrera but stuck with our poor number 10s - he really wants to play 10s
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I don't think Ander not playing is because Jose prefers #10s, rather because he's not been very good this season. Jose's often had two very strong defensive midfielders, suitable for a #10. With Pogba, we are looking at the most talented midfielder in the world, capable of completely bossing games. To get the best out of him, we need to free him up more. Like @Womp said, we also have to have adequate cover for midfield. Currently, we don't.

Where does that 100m figure from? We have that to spend outside of money recouped?
 
Bastian said:
I don't think Ander not playing is because Jose prefers #10s, rather because he's not been very good this season. Jose's often had two very strong defensive midfielders, suitable for a #10. With Pogba, we are looking at the most talented midfielder in the world, capable of completely bossing games. To get the best out of him, we need to free him up more. Like @Womp said, we also have to have adequate cover for midfield. Currently, we don't.

Where does that 100m figure from? We have that to spend outside of money recouped?
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I'm not sure what 100m figure you mean. I think Jose prefers playing 10s in most games - my only real evidence is that he has done that for a decade or so
 
Frank Grimes said:
How do you know what Mourinho's plans are? I assume if he signed him he would play.
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well I'm giving a reason either why mourinho wouldn't sign him or why leon wouldn't move here when considering his playing time. Although the case has been made that he also wouldn't play at bayern. Jose signed plenty of young players and then didn't play them, loads. For free I'm sure he would take him as cover
 
Womp said:
Even if so, if Pogba gets injured we don't have another midfielder capable of what he does. The rest of our midfielders are holding/defensive midfielders bar Fellaini who can't do what a playmaker can neither.
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yes it would make sense to sign him for free as cover, I am more making the case that he wouldn't sign for us considering he isn't that likely to play more than herrera does right now - not much
 
Crashoutcassius said:
He is probably negotiating a salary with bayern and is leaking this to the press to drive up salary. And wouldn't play ahead of matic and pogba.
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You rate he'd have an "easier" time getting into Bayern's starting XI? On paper I doubt it, but I haven't watched much of them this season. I know Thiago is injured though, and apparently Vidal hasn't been that great, though he seems to be starting again. I'm asking because I genuinely don't know and I also don't know how good Goretzka is, other than being impressed with him at the confed.

Martinez, Vidal, Tolisso, Thiago, Rudy, (Alaba can play there) and James ahead of them. Tough ask. @Balu
 
SATA said:
Always like a German or two in a United side. Jose did sign Ballack on a free from Bayer so who knows?
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Schweinsteiger was our only ever German player?
 
Ish said:
You rate he'd have an "easier" time getting into Bayern's starting XI? On paper I doubt it, but I haven't watched much of them this season. I know Thiago is injured though, and apparently Vidal hasn't been that great, though he seems to be starting again. I'm asking because I genuinely don't know and I also don't know how good Goretzka is, other than being impressed with him at the confed.

Martinez, Vidal, Tolisso, Thiago, Rudy, (Alaba can play there) and James ahead of them. Tough ask. @Balu
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Goretzka is kind of a reincarnated Ballack, and his ceiling is just as high. He'd definitely be (more than)good enough for us, regardless the competition in our midfield.
It's going to be interesting to see where he ends up. Pretty much every top club is interested, if only to scoop up a valuable asset "for free"(and re-sell later).
 
2ndTouch said:
Goretzka is kind of a reincarnated Ballack, and his ceiling is just as high. He'd definitely be (more than)good enough for us, regardless the competition in our midfield.
It's going to be interesting to see where he ends up. Pretty much every top club is interested, if only to scoop up a valuable asset "for free"(and re-sell later).
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Seems very highly rated and yes, I was impressed at the confed cup, which is the only time I've seen him play, outside of highlights. I think he'd compliment our midfield 2 well if we ever need to shore up the center and he'd also be a good option when Pogba is out.
 
Ish said:
You rate he'd have an "easier" time getting into Bayern's starting XI? On paper I doubt it, but I haven't watched much of them this season. I know Thiago is injured though, and apparently Vidal hasn't been that great, though he seems to be starting again. I'm asking because I genuinely don't know and I also don't know how good Goretzka is, other than being impressed with him at the confed.

Martinez, Vidal, Tolisso, Thiago, Rudy, (Alaba can play there) and James ahead of them. Tough ask. @Balu
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His versatility is his biggest asset so with the competitions Bayern would have to play I don't think he'l have trouble getting minutes. Rotation will be important (we may also see James being moved between RW and LW) and he can slot in the CM and CAM positions easily and, in emergency, can play a more defensive role as well. He may not be the first choice starter but should definitely can be first choice replacement in the CM slot.

That being said, Goretzka to Bayern should be more about the long term. Vidal will be 31 by the end of the season and his contract will be up in season following (2019). As someone said earlier, Goretzka seems a more talented player than Tolisso so he should be ambitious enough to see himself trump Tolisso to be the long term replacement for Vidal.

United, in comparison to Bayern, I don't think it'l be very different in the immediate term. If Jose decides on a formation similar to his Chelsea formation, then you can definitely see shades of Essien in the way Goretzka plays so he'd slot right into that role. If he continues with the 4-2-3-1 then yes Goretzka would have to settle for not being a first choice starter but would certainly be an important player in the squad; though in the long term his role may not be as defined as it would be at Bayern.
 
Ish said:
You rate he'd have an "easier" time getting into Bayern's starting XI? On paper I doubt it, but I haven't watched much of them this season. I know Thiago is injured though, and apparently Vidal hasn't been that great, though he seems to be starting again. I'm asking because I genuinely don't know and I also don't know how good Goretzka is, other than being impressed with him at the confed.

Martinez, Vidal, Tolisso, Thiago, Rudy, (Alaba can play there) and James ahead of them. Tough ask. @Balu
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I don't know anything about Bayern, doesn't change the fact that he wouldn't get into this team though
 
He'll replace Vidal surely. I actually think United will be a better platform for him but Bayern is Bayern.
 
2ndTouch said:
Goretzka is kind of a reincarnated Ballack, and his ceiling is just as high. He'd definitely be (more than)good enough for us, regardless the competition in our midfield.
It's going to be interesting to see where he ends up. Pretty much every top club is interested, if only to scoop up a valuable asset "for free"(and re-sell later).
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Ballack ain’t dead, mate.
 
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