Faubert? Gravesen?
and the Brazilian Defensive midfielder. The fact is that if a top manager like Mourinho is selling him, there's a bloody reason behind it.
Lassana Diarra
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Faubert? Gravesen?
and the Brazilian Defensive midfielder. The fact is that if a top manager like Mourinho is selling him, there's a bloody reason behind it.
Adebayor was easily good enough for both City and Arsenal, it's his attitude that got him lost.
He'd be a good squad player to add a bit of bite and steel - but he's quite inconsistent and resents being a squad player so wouldn't be of much use to us.
Faubert
Diarra is a terrible player and has never established (or has never had enough patience) himself at a decent club.
What makes you think he'd magically do that at United where he wouldn't be guaranteed more playing time than before.
I've read some of his interviews where he stated he would only be interested in a club if there is enough game time.How about trying to earn those game time ?
Really, Pogue? Adebayor is a money grabbing bastard. At Arsenal, he was more than good enough to get into any of the top 4 sides. He then went to City and its obvious he's lost any desire to actually play for the club, since he's happy to pick up his £200,000 a week from the bench.
I'm not sure if thats the point you're trying to make?
There are always exceptions. Diarra is clearly a better player than julian fecking faubert.
I'm countering your point that the simple fact Diarra ended up at Madrid is some sort of endorsement of his quality.
Faubert and Gravesen are even better examples.
Faubert went on loan for 6 months and I dont even think he played a game.
Gravesen moved for £2.5m.
Lassana Diarra signed for Real Madrid for £20 million. I reckon its pretty fecking clear that they valued him highly...
They spend 10Mil on Pedro Leon, only to use him sparingly and send him on loan. They spent 26Mil Euros on Elvir Baljic and then sent him on loan in the next year.
real Madrid eh?
the same club who sold Sneijder for 12m and he then became a key player in winning the CL and his club are now asking a reported 35m for him.
the same club who sold Sneijder for 12m and he then became a key player in winning the CL and his club are now asking a reported 35m for him.
Why is that even relevant? If you cant see that Diarra is a better player than the players your mentioning, then its not even worth talking to you.
So highly they signed Khedira to take his place in the squad and are on the verge of selling him to Spurs just a couple of years later. What a player.
Indeed.
I have my opinion - others have theirs.
If I was looking for a defensive midfield player I want one that can tackle and has a bit of pace first. If he has a great range of passing as well then all well and good.
I personally don't think Fergie saw him as a defensive player - hence buying Hargreaves and since deploying Fletcher alongside Carrick in a holding role. I think Carrick has been crowbarred into taht role in a 4-4-2 because of Fletcher's fitness issues.
For me Carrick will always be better further up the field where his passing can effect the game, rather than with his back to goal, and his best form (in my opinion) was in that role with a three man central midfield.
Nah, Inter is Sneijder's level obviously. Besides, players from other leagues are overrated because the 'EPL' is the best. That Messi fella wouldnt last 2 minutes against Stoke.
A few other plays whom Madrid rated highly.
Klaas-Jan Huntelaar €27m
Fernando Gago €20.5m
Julio Baptista €20m
I wouldn't want either of them at United. You?
Mourinho clearly doesn't like his attitude, nor the fact that he seems to be fairly outspoken.
He also probably feels he has enough options in that area therefore can afford to move him out.
Cealry other factors are significant, not least the fact that the club can probably do without his wages, and may be able to get in a good few million euros for him.
None of that means he's not a very good player.
Another poster put it well - its likely the case that other "top clubs" just aren't looking for an out and out defensive player, or will choose to invest their limited funds elsewhere.
Honestly, this is pointless. We signed Young, does that mean we bought him to take over Nani's place in the squad? We were also reportedly close to signing Sanchez; another winger, tell me what that means?
There's a slight difference: Khedira DID take over Diarra's place as the number one defensive midfielder, we know that, he played an entire season as a key player, with Diarra being very much on the fringes of the squad. So your point is slightly idiotic.
I'll leave it to Carrick himself to explain to you how it's possible to be a very effective defensive midfielder without running round like a maniac.
I also disagree with you about his best form being in a more advanced role. I think he's always been at his best when he's playing deep. Which was a big factor in his return to form in the back end of last season.
It means nothing.
Of course, if Nani can't get a game as a result of Young's signing and we sell him at a loss next summer it would be fairly significant. I don't see that happening though, do you?
All of which were the muppets' flavour of the month, ask them.
I dont know why other people are jumping into this, since this all was a question of who's a better player between Carrick and Diarra. I didnt realise it was outrageous to suggest that Diarra is a more effective player than Carrick - a player who's had an inconsistent 18 months - and cant displace Barry or Parker in the National team.
Khedira played less games in the league than Diarra last season. Perhaps you should do some research next time to help your argument.
Because inconsistency is actually one of Diarra's greatest flaws, so citing Carrick's inconsistency as the reason of Diarra's alleged superiority is surprising.
Carrick has been a regular in an incredibly successful Manchester United side even though he has undeniably regressed since 2009. The only club where Diarra really excelled was Portsmouth. Can't see how that makes him more effective than Carrick.
Exactly, so why couldnt you apply the same logic to Diarra's situation?
OK, fair enough, with a few qualifications: Khedira started more games; he had injury problems; he played in all the biggest games when fit.
Eh? I just did. Diarra is surplus to requirement at Madrid. In part, due to the signing of Khedira.
Nani is nothing of the sort at United.
I'd imagine Diarra wants the guarantee of regular football with Euro 2012 in mind; something he'll get at Spurs. Madrid have signed Sahin, meaning they've something like 8 midfielders. Signing another player doesnt automatically mean you're surplus to requirement - as you were suggesting - is my point. They've got one of the best left backs in the world in Marcello, but have spent 30 million euros on Coentrao; that doesnt mean Marcello is surplus to requirement, its added competition and strength in depth. Much like us signing Young.
Mourinho plays Pepe as a DM from times to times just to show how Diarra isn't good enough for Madrid.
Fabio Coentrao will also be used centrally as well as on the wing.Diarra is useless
Fabio Coentrao will also be used centrally as well as on the wing.Diarra is useless
From time to time? The only time I was aware of Pepe playing defensive midfield was against Barcelona; I dont imagine they'd play him there against the likes of fecking Almeria. However in this instance Diarra played next Pepe in the center of midfield anyway.
I think you missed my point re: Sneijder and Robben - they went to top clubs. Because they're top class players. VDV and Diarra are second-tier players, squad players for top clubs. Except Diarra doesn't have the mentality for a squad player.
It's still from time to time though no ?
FWIW during preseason matches Pepe also played as a DM as well as a CB
Fair dues, its the wa you catergorised them all together that caused the confusion. I wont be able to change your opinion.
Hmm, well I thought it was only for one game to be fair.
Again - horses for courses.
There's a big difference between "running around like a maniac" and playing hard, having a bit of pace and putting yourself about a bit to disrupt the other side. Players like that may be limited but they can play a valuable role a la Toure at Barca.
Not all fans seem to like that style of play and thats fine.
I don't doubt, nor did I suggest that players need to be of that mould to play in a defensive role - simply that I prefer, and think we lack a player with some dynamism getting up and down the pitch in the syle of a Robson, Ince, Keane or Vieira. Indeed, a talented footballer can obviously play a number of roles to a certain standard.
We clearly disagree on Carrick's best position. To me there's a difference between playing deep in an attcking role and "pulling the strings" and being asked to play infront of the back four as a defensive shield. I personally think he's better at the former than the latter - his major attribute being his passing and ability to link up play, rather than "defend" as a deeper player might be expected to do.
The Diarra problem at Madrid hasn't been his quality, it's been his consistency and his attitude (and his health). Add to that the fact his partnership with Xabi Alonso didn't work - I'm not even convinced Alonso wanted it to work.
I've seen him turn in MOTM performances for them, as good going forward and building as defending and destroying. I've also seen him look useless, giving away fouls, losing the ball, contributing nothing. The trouble is he doesn't seem to expect to be dropped when he's out of form.
Mourinho recalled him a couple of times, when players were injured and he then became injured/ill after the call up. Poor attitude or just poor health? I assume it's the latter because Mou wanted to keep him and he asked to leave.
Too inconsistent and unreliable to be a regular at a top club, but too good on a good day not to attract their attention.
I've seen him turn in MOTM performances for them, as good going forward and building as defending and destroying. I've also seen him look useless, giving away fouls, losing the ball, contributing nothing. The trouble is he doesn't seem to expect to be dropped when he's out of form.
Mourinho recalled him a couple of times, when players were injured and he then became injured/ill after the call up. Poor attitude or just poor health? I assume it's the latter because Mou wanted to keep him and he asked to leave.
Too inconsistent and unreliable to be a regular at a top club, but too good on a good day not to attract their attention.
Btw he was at PSG's stadium last night, so all this discussion whether he is good for Spurs or not might just be futile.
Wheeler dealer looks kike he's closing in.
Spurs close on Diarra | Football News | Sky Sports
Spurs close on Diarra | Football News | Sky Sports
I agree with the first bit, I've never seen the second bit myself.
I remember one game when him and Diaby looked good...but that's about it.
Why the hell are we not in for this lad? It's like anybody with half a brain new vdv was quality but no, despite going for £8m we just don't bother strengthening the weakest area of our team (by some distance). We will probably end up bidding £40m+ in a few seasons time for him.
Give it up, even Fletcher's better than Diarra.