Yeah that's about it actually.
Lassana Diarra
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Yeah that's about it actually.
The bolded part knows that you don't know anything actually. Diarra has been very inconsistent for the last two years or so, probably the reason why he is being sold to Spurs. Do you seriously think that Madrid or Mourinho would sell a player who has done well for them.
Its an argument for another thread but it seems Carrick is immune to criticism in some fans eyes.
Had Arsenal or another top club persisted with playing Carrick regularly in their midfield over the last couple of seasons I very much doubt people would be so quick to defend him and his obvious flaws.
Comparing Diarra to Carrick should be like comparing chalk and cheese because they're totally different players who should play totally different roles - although that doesnt seem to be the case given Carrick seems to have been lumbered with the DM role of late.
All a matter of opinion but I can see why, given that we've been overran in midfield by poor sides over the last year, why people would like to see a Diarra type player who can at least put himself about and make life difficult for the opposition.
Carrick was a DM at West Ham, at Spurs and for England and for you. He's always bin a bleedin' DM.
Exactly. It's not a surprise that he performed his best when he was paired with Scholes(06-07) or Giggs last season.
The bolded part knows that you don't know anything actually. Diarra has been very inconsistent for the last two years or so, probably the reason why he is being sold to Spurs. Do you seriously think that Madrid or Mourinho would sell a player who has done well for them.
Well they sold Sneijder, Van Der Vaart and Raul.
They didn't have Mourinho at their helm at that time. Oh and Raul was offered a new contract, he left on his own accord.
The bolded part knows that you don't know anything actually. Diarra has been very inconsistent for the last two years or so, probably the reason why he is being sold to Spurs. Do you seriously think that Madrid or Mourinho would sell a player who has done well for them.
Yeah, Madrid never sell players who have done well for them and I'm the one who knows nothing?...What teams do Arjen Robben, Wesley Sneijder, Rafael Van der Vaart play for now as a matter of interest? How you can sit there and use Madrid as a beacon to determine how players have performed for them and their eventual sale is beyond me. They're infamously reknowned for getting rid of players too early, too quickly; just so that you're aware.
Diarra has been nowhere as inconsistent as Carrick has been. He couldnt have been that bad if Mourinho chose to play for most of the big games could he? He's also the only player along with Jack Wilshere last season who arguably outshone the Barca midfield.
His performance against Barcelona's ridiculously overrated.
Indeed. What the feck? I swear that some people don't even watch United play. If anything, Carrick's worst season for United can be put down to him going against type and trying to play a bit further forward.
How?
Yes he shields the back 4 by his superb reading of the game and intecetpts passes but he isn't the sort of player that we need when we travel to the lesser teams in the league.
Barcelona all but cheated their way through the first leg of that tie.
Fletcher puts himself about and Carrick's best form at United was as the deeper role to compliment Scholes.
Last season Fletcher pressured further up the pitch. When asked to play deeper he hassles the opponent but rarely makes a tackle. Plus IMO Flether and Carrick don't work well together, Carricks form suddenly came back when fletcher got his virus.
Carrick's best form was alongside Giggs in his first season imo, certainly in the deeper role you mention.
There's this stereotype in England that DMs have to be strong, hard-tackling bruisers who put themselves about.
It's remarkable that Makelele got accepted as one, shows that he was a beast in that role.
He didn't really play alongside Giggs in his first season.
Its hardly an outlandish comment saying Diarra is a more effective midfielder than Carrick is it?
As for Parker I dont see many rating him higher than Carrick. Although he did have a better season than him last season
Carrick best form arrived in his second season and msot of it wasn't spent playing second fiddle to Scholes.
The opposite is also true.
Yeah.... we're always struggling for possesion against the "lower teams" away from home
Fixed.
It's not outlandish just wrong...
If he goes to Spurs, there's a reason for that. Realistic signing that he was for us and all.
I don't get it. If he goes somewhere else it means he wasn't good enough for us?
Not us, any top club. There's a reason why none of the top clubs went in for him. When Robben left Madrid he went to Bayern, Sneijder to Inter, VDV and Diarra go to Spurs. That's their level.
Ah, I know what you mean. Trouble with Diarra is that he's a journeyman and clubs don't like to take a punt on someone like him. I mean, it will be his third club in London alone.
As for van der Vaart he was wanted by Bayern and apparently Juventus but they weren't going to meet Real's asking price. For some reason it got reduced when Tottenham came knocking, possibly because Real don't consider them as a threat or because it was so late in the window that they wouldn't convince anyone else to sign him.
Bayern didn't try to sign him that was just the usual transfer bollocks from Redknapp.
You are wrong about RVDV. RVDV will never go to Bayern only because he fell out with their hireachy just before arriving in Germany. They openly disrespected him when he was looking to leave Ajax, then a year later tried to sign him from Hamburg.
I don't agree.
He may like to play deep and kncok the ball about but he's not what I consider a defensive midfield player - i.e. able to tackle and full of energy.
Well, that's the retarded logic employed by many on here.
But then again such retards are left having to explain away players like Modric, VdV and Bale.
Erm, what? I dont get this, I'm sure you're normally one of the ones to slate others who say players "arent United quality" and thats essentially what you're saying. You can bet your life that were we to predominantly play a 4-5-1 then VdV would walk into this team, because you're not really gonna tell me than Anderson or even Giggs (debatable) can play in the hole better than him are you? As would Sneijder.
I suspect Robben went to Bayern, because no other top clubs were willing to gamble on his fitness, unless you're gonna tell me Hargreaves' level is West Brom right? Sniejder went to Inter and won the treble and that 'level' doesnt get much higher.
If Diarra goes to Spurs, that doesnt necessarily mean that its 'his level', maybe its because he's not the type of player the top clubs are looking for.
Then you need to reconsider your definition. There's more than one way to skin a cat.
Diarra's a bit unique in that he's already had his chance at two of the top four clubs in the PL and was deemed surplus to requirements. So he's one player we can definitely say has "found his level" at the tier below the likes of United, Chelsea and Arsenal.
Diarra failed at Arsenal, Chelsea and Madrid. It's conceivable to think that he'll found his level at Spurs.
So if Carrick left us who would he join? Thats right a club like Spurs or even lower like Villa or Everton.
Diarra for me is a more effective midfielder than Carrick. Not as a good a football though.
He would have been a good signing for us.
Yet I've come across people laughing at the assertion that Carrick is better than Diarra. It's as if an association with Real pegs a player up a few levels for no apparent doing of their own. He's a talented football but in reality he's failed wherever he's gone. He's never become a permanent fixture in a successful team for a prolonged time.
Diarra left Arsenal and Chelsea for regular football, dont you remember his tantrums? You dont just suddenly join Real Madrid if you were never good enough for the other clubs.
Only he hasn't done that, has he? He moved from a club like Spurs to a club like United. The opposite trajectory to Diarra. Which is his point.
