La Liga/Serie A/Bundesliga Draft

Snow said:
I just didn't like that argument as for why he's better than Kahn.
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I doubt Balu meant is as a slight on Kahn that he couldn't allow Bayern to play the way they do currently, while of course that's true, you would never take a keeper or rate him higher just for something like that, that's silly. He has to have the required ability first and foremost, before looking at the style.
It's the same when the caf lost it's shit when LvG said he needs a left footed CB, and the lot here thought that's the only thing that mattered to him. Of course it isn't, it is secondary at best.
 
Aldo said:
I doubt Balu meant is as a slight on Kahn that he couldn't allow Bayern to play the way they do currently, while of course that's true, you would never take a keeper or rate him higher just for something like that, that's silly. He has to have the required ability first and foremost, before looking at the style.
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Yeah, I think he just misunderstood what I was trying to say. I wrote that Neuer's style and influence on our tactics as a better overall goalkeeper means he can match Kahn's impact in the team. At least in my mind that means I put them on pretty much the same level, just for different reasons.
 
OFFICIAL STATEMENT: A NEW MONSTER JOINING THE DOWN-KIRK TEAM

Zlatan played with him in Italy between 2005 and 2009. The Swede, himself a fierce competitor, said about our new player:
"When he came to Juventus he came with big qualities. He had a strong mentality and every training he was like a monster. He wanted to destroy everybody, but not destroy in a negative way. In a positive way. Like how you train is how you play, and I watched him and I learned a lot.
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ITALIAN CV OF MY NEW DEFENSIVE PLAYER:

---------------- 2005/2010: 6 titles with Juventus & Inter
---------------- Summer 2006 : WC Runner-up - one of the best players in the tournament
---------------- Stats in Italy: 134 games & 14 goals

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1989-2006: no Serie A title for Inter
Vieira played a key role in the revival of Inter Milan.
Since September 2010, Inter Milan has never won a Serie A title
 
  1. KM /Cal? - 1. Zlatan 2. Reus 3. Buchwald 4. Albertini 5. Boban 6. Filipe Luis 7. Griezmann
  2. Downcast/KirkDuyt - 1. Neymar 2. Yaya Touré 3. Falcao 4. Di Maria 5. Maicon 6. Ozil 7. Heinrich
  3. Gio - 1. Nedved 2. Veron 3. Reuter 4. Deschamps 5. Puyol 6. Bratseth 7. Careca 8. Michel
  4. Enigma_87/Snow - 1. Kaka 2. Villa 3. Lucio 4. Modric 5. Schneider 6. Marcelo 7. Helmer 8. Salgado
  5. Crappycraperson - 1. Totti 2. Savićević 3. Bale 4. Kroos 5. Popescu 6. Jorginho 7. Jeremies 8. Grosso
  6. Joga Bonito/Balu - 1. Bergomi 2. Xabi Alonso 3. Dani Alves 4. Häßler 5. Forlán 6. Ferri 7. Dunga 8. Aimar
  7. mazhar13/Boycott - 1. Shevchenko 2. Aldair 3. Donadoni 4. Luis Enrique 5. Cocu 6. Pique 7. Chendo 8. Kahn
  8. VivaJanuzaj/MJJ - 1. Muller 2. Eto'o 3. Guardiola 4. T.Silva 5. Samuel 6. Abidal 7. Sneijder 8. Khedira
  9. RedTiger - 1. Ballack 2. Zambrotta 3 Ayala 4. Vidal 5. Aguero 6. Paulo Sousa 7. Panucci 8. Francescoli
  10. Aldo/The Stain - 1. Davids 2. Littbarski 3. Mendieta 4. Montero 5. Makaay 6. Henry 7. Mascherano 8. Angloma
  11. Marty1968 - 1. Seedorf 2. Costacurta 3. Berthold 4. Gattuso 5. Scholl 6. Benarrivo 7.Babbel 8. Butragueño
  12. Sjor Bepo/anant - 1. Stam 2. Alaba 3. Camoranesi 4. Godin 5. Gündoğan 6. Kluivert 7. Javi Martinez 8. Gascoigne
  13. Isotope - 1. Cafu 2. Weah 3. Ze Roberto 4. Mauro Silva 5. Hummels 6. Signori 7. Sanchis 8. van Bommel
  14. Skizzo/Pat_Mustard - 1. Hierro 2. Ruggeri 3. Klinsmann 4. Bebeto 5. Moller 6. Chiellini 7. Baraja 8. Ziege
  15. Tuppet - 1. R. Carlos 2. Zanetti 3. Voller 4. Ferrara 5. Riquelme 6. B. Laudrup 7. Nadal 8. De Rossi
  16. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1. B Lizarazu 2. W Sagnol 3. C Vieri 4. J Boateng 5. D Simeone 6. E Cambiasso 7. Deco 8. F de Boer
Blocked list:
Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Busquets, Romario, Redondo, Xavi, Rijkaard, Ronaldinho, Maradona, Messi, Luis Ronaldo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski, Van Basten, Baresi, Maldini, Matthaus, Nesta, Kohler, Van Nistelrooy, Suarez,Zidane, Buffon, Casillas, Neuer, Sammer, M. Laudrup, Gullit, Batistuta, Baggio, Pirlo, Stoichkov, Desailly, Thuram, Brehme, Tassotti, Iniesta, Koeman, Raul, Rui Costa, Del Piero, Figo, Rivaldo, Effenberg, Cannavaro, Makelele.

@Downcast
 
  1. KM /Cal? - 1. Zlatan 2. Reus 3. Buchwald 4. Albertini 5. Boban 6. Filipe Luis 7. Griezmann
  2. Downcast/KirkDuyt - 1. Neymar 2. Yaya Touré 3. Falcao 4. Di Maria 5. Maicon 6. Ozil 7. Heinrich 8. Vieira
  3. Gio - 1. Nedved 2. Veron 3. Reuter 4. Deschamps 5. Puyol 6. Bratseth 7. Careca 8. Michel
  4. Enigma_87/Snow - 1. Kaka 2. Villa 3. Lucio 4. Modric 5. Schneider 6. Marcelo 7. Helmer 8. Salgado
  5. Crappycraperson - 1. Totti 2. Savićević 3. Bale 4. Kroos 5. Popescu 6. Jorginho 7. Jeremies 8. Grosso
  6. Joga Bonito/Balu - 1. Bergomi 2. Xabi Alonso 3. Dani Alves 4. Häßler 5. Forlán 6. Ferri 7. Dunga 8. Aimar
  7. mazhar13/Boycott - 1. Shevchenko 2. Aldair 3. Donadoni 4. Luis Enrique 5. Cocu 6. Pique 7. Chendo 8. Kahn
  8. VivaJanuzaj/MJJ - 1. Muller 2. Eto'o 3. Guardiola 4. T.Silva 5. Samuel 6. Abidal 7. Sneijder 8. Khedira
  9. RedTiger - 1. Ballack 2. Zambrotta 3 Ayala 4. Vidal 5. Aguero 6. Paulo Sousa 7. Panucci 8. Francescoli
  10. Aldo/The Stain - 1. Davids 2. Littbarski 3. Mendieta 4. Montero 5. Makaay 6. Henry 7. Mascherano 8. Angloma
  11. Marty1968 - 1. Seedorf 2. Costacurta 3. Berthold 4. Gattuso 5. Scholl 6. Benarrivo 7.Babbel 8. Butragueño
  12. Sjor Bepo/anant - 1. Stam 2. Alaba 3. Camoranesi 4. Godin 5. Gündoğan 6. Kluivert 7. Javi Martinez 8. Gascoigne
  13. Isotope - 1. Cafu 2. Weah 3. Ze Roberto 4. Mauro Silva 5. Hummels 6. Signori 7. Sanchis 8. van Bommel
  14. Skizzo/Pat_Mustard - 1. Hierro 2. Ruggeri 3. Klinsmann 4. Bebeto 5. Moller 6. Chiellini 7. Baraja 8. Ziege
  15. Tuppet - 1. R. Carlos 2. Zanetti 3. Voller 4. Ferrara 5. Riquelme 6. B. Laudrup 7. Nadal 8. De Rossi
  16. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1. B Lizarazu 2. W Sagnol 3. C Vieri 4. J Boateng 5. D Simeone 6. E Cambiasso 7. Deco 8. F de Boer
Blocked list:
Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Busquets, Romario, Redondo, Xavi, Rijkaard, Ronaldinho, Maradona, Messi, Luis Ronaldo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski, Van Basten, Baresi, Maldini, Matthaus, Nesta, Kohler, Van Nistelrooy, Suarez,Zidane, Buffon, Casillas, Neuer, Sammer, M. Laudrup, Gullit, Batistuta, Baggio, Pirlo, Stoichkov, Desailly, Thuram, Brehme, Tassotti, Iniesta, Koeman, Raul, Rui Costa, Del Piero, Figo, Rivaldo, Effenberg, Cannavaro, Makelele.

@KM
@Cal?
 
Aldo said:
Are you sure both Juventus and Milan getting docked for fixing has nothing to do with that? :)
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Of course, the Calciopoli explains why the Brazilian Ronaldo has never won a Serie A title :(
 
Once again, the main criteria is "league peak" not "career peak".

Vieira played in Italy for 5 years and was successful there in terms of impact on the game and trophies.

He won some trophies in Europe unlike some legends like Dunga, Ruggieri or Francescoli
 
Downcast said:
He was excellent in Italy but at the end he had many injuries.
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It's up for argument in match thread, but Vieira's excellence happened in Arsenal. He never reached the same peak elsewhere after Gooners.

The point I made was not for your pick specifically...but still I can think of couple of players still kicking around whose league peaks, I would consider higher than Vieira at Inter.
 
It will make the match threads more lively. Like when van Moer shat on Matthäus for example
And will require more effort from managers to research the opponent
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
It's up for argument in match thread, but Vieira's excellence happened in Arsenal. He never reached the same peak elsewhere after Gooners.

The point I made was not for your pick specifically...but still I can think of couple of players still kicking around whose league peaks, I would consider higher than Vieira at Inter.
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VivaJanuzaj said:
No problem mate, I really don't think you shouldn't have picked him. Just as long as you keep saying that in the matchday threads so it won't destroy the idea of the draft.
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I am happy with your comments that are part of the game :)

We just don't have the same understanding of the rules.

My understanding is to value a player at his prime occurred in a specific league.
 
Downcast said:
I am happy with your comments that are part of the game :)

We just don't have the same understanding of the rules.

My understanding is to value a player at his prime occured in a specific league.

You understanding is "the players who have marked on the history of the league"
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What's you definition of peak than?
 
Downcast said:
Let's not continue to go around in circles :)

My definition of "league peak": the highest value attained by a player in a specific league
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Sure. My point is unless he's a one club player, his league peak will be considered relative to his career peak. As you say Vieira league peak may be excellent but you'll be getting less than Arsenal version.

For example, though Vieira is a better player overall Gattuso or Camoranesi might be considered better for this draft league peak and so forth. Players I mention are just to illustrate my point. I'm not actually arguing superiority here.

Anyways as harms said it'd be upto the managers to argue their cases in the match.
 
@Downcast

I think people take less interest in the pick of Vieira, and more interest in your post trying to sell him as a "Monster"

At Juve he was far from the same player he was at Arsenal. If you try and oversell him, you'll rightly get called out on it. In the match threads, just be aware of trying to big him up as more than a sum of the parts.
 
Next time you know, manager would use Guardiola from Serie A also.
 
Well, if the PL draft is anything to go by, it won't be easy to sell yer Vieiras and whatnot. Nor should it be, for that matter.
 
Skizzo said:
@Downcast

I think people take less interest in the pick of Vieira, and more interest in your post trying to sell him as a "Monster"

At Juve he was far from the same player he was at Arsenal. If you try and oversell him, you'll rightly get called out on it. In the match threads, just be aware of trying to big him up as more than a sum of the parts.
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Thanks for your message.

When I said "Monster", it was just intended to make my presentation more funny. I am not in the configuration of a match thread.

I am not dishonest and am not saying I will necessarily win a match.

I do understand all your comments and should have taken a player that has marked on the history of Calcio in your perspective.

The quote of Ibrahimovic or the stats were intended to make this thread more lively. Next time, I won't make some presentations.
 
dont see whats the fuss, people rate players differently.....for example i can find a fair share of players from the first 3 rounds that i dont rate very highly. If you dont rate someone leave it for the games and give the managers a chance to build a case for certain players and if you dont buy it you can vote for the opponent.
Commenting during draft should be only positive and sharing cool stories and staff like that as there is no point for people to defend their picks now and again when the games start.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
...for example i can find a fair share of players from the first 3 rounds that i dont rate very highly.
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Ditto. Borderline shocked, actually, at some picks.

Šjor Bepo said:
...as there is no point for people to defend their picks now and again when the games start.
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Yes, I would agree with that. It's hard to get that balance exactly right, though. It was the same in the PL and Euro drafts: The only comment worth making is: "...but this clearly isn't the prime version of the player, so..." It's that or silence, basically. And the idea is to comment on the players, after all.
 
Downcast said:
Thanks for your message.

When I said "Monster", it was just intended to make my presentation more funny. I am not in the configuration of a match thread.

I am not dishonest and am not saying I will necessarily win a match.

I do understand all your comments and should have taken a player that has marked on the history of Calcio in your perspective.

The quote of Ibrahimovic or the stats were intended to make this thread more lively. Next time, I won't make some presentations.
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I figured the post was rather tongue in cheek. It doesn't bother me, like I said, we looked at him too. In the end, decided too "controversial" and Pat talked me out of it.

Just thought that might be why some took issue with it :) that's the last comment I'll make on it
 
Interesting debate on Kahn/Neuer who I'd place in the same class. And probably the key thing for me is how they fitted their respective Bayern vintages and wouldn't be swapped. The talismanic, grizzly, physical, determined Kahn matched what his Bayern side was all about and had a big-game temperament to win his side matches they otherwise wouldn't have. Examples off the top of my head would be the Champions League semi-final against Kiev, the final against Valencia, and the decisive group match against Rangers. Neuer obviously in his impeccable support for Bayern's high line.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
He got Michel. Played a bit more than that in La Liga :)
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One unnamed player I thought it would be kosher to have pictured in the thread on the basis surely no-one will pretend that his La Liga career justified a call-up to this draft.
 
I can't make up my mind yet on the sweeper keeper thingy. It worked against Algeria but I get a feeling it's a very dangerous game to play. It worked against Algeria, but to start with but playing a high line with M********r is suicidal in itself. You need really quick CBs to pull that off. Makes it all the more stellar for Neuer I suppose. Any other good team would have punished them imo.
 
Pat_Mustard said:
Two cracking picks. I'd have loved to get Aimar as our No. 10 but we had to ration our La Liga picks, and we were very close to picking Michel earlier.
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Why did you manually change "Gio" to "Joga Bonito" in your quote? Confused the hell out of me :lol:
 
did Neuer fecked up any goals with his rushing out? Apart from that goal against Inter i dont think i saw him concede a goal in a similar fashion but i dont watch him so often. As for the Kahn comparison, in a high line Neuer is obviously a better pick but in any other system i would go for Kahn.
 
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