La Liga/Serie A/Bundesliga Draft

[Tuppet]

feckin hell Bepo, Brilliant research and effort.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

thanks, really enjoyed the research(best part of the draft imo).....shame i couldnt find more games to watch in full. Would recommend everyone to watch that Milan game, Van Basten is pure joy.

 

[Enigma_87]

Mine as well, though don't think it was that hipsterish. He was sensational that year, certainly better than Kaka.

Disagree there. Kaka was imperious in that CL campaign which is the biggest stage. He got 10 goals and 5 assists in 13 games. Totti probably had his best season then and had more goals but IMO overall he was below him in that season.

I don't think you'll find many that would argue that Totti was better than Kaka that season.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

@Šjor Bepo You're bonkers. But that's a beautiful collection of Gazza moves.

@Rado_N Could you delete this thread, please:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-water-carrier-draft-upcoming-draft.415124/

No rush, just when you get around to it. I could change the title and edit the thing, but people have already posted in it and it would just look messy.

 

[Balu]

I don't think you'll find many that would argue that Totti was better than Kaka that season.

I would.

 

[harms]

Disagree there. Kaka was imperious in that CL campaign which is the biggest stage. He got 10 goals and 5 assists in 13 games. Totti probably had his best season then and had more goals but IMO overall he was below him in that season.

I don't think you'll find many that would argue that Totti was better than Kaka that season.

I think that Kaka was marginally better that season, due to his glorious CL campaign, but he was not very good in the league - 8+2 in 31 appearances, while Totti scored 26 just in the league (and assisted 9).
The difference in votes between Kaka and others is ridiculous and doesn't show the real picture

 

[Enigma_87]

I would.

Fair enough. We can agree to disagree there. In the biggest games of the season Kaka was head and shoulders above the rest IMO, which is kind of the best gauge for individual brilliance in that season.

I think that Kaka was marginally better that season, due to his glorious CL campaign, but he was not very good in the league - 8+2 in 31 appearances, while Totti scored 26 just in the league (and assisted 9).
The difference in votes between Kaka and others is ridiculous and doesn't show the real picture

Milan prioritized CL especially in the Spring of that season. He missed games to be saved for CL or was subbed early.

 

[Enigma_87]

thanks, really enjoyed the research(best part of the draft imo).....shame i couldnt find more games to watch in full. Would recommend everyone to watch that Milan game, Van Basten is pure joy.

BTW just seen all the research that's a great job mate. Excellent approach do depict him in this draft.

I think it will be appreciated.

 

[Tuppet]

Gonna send write up to @VivaJanuzaj and @Marty1968 for our game before I go to bed. You guys can start whenever you like. @Enigma_87 @Snow

 

[Enigma_87]

Sent to
@VivaJanuzaj and @Marty1968 as well. Ready to go. @Tuppet @Snow

 

[Marty1968]

Sent to
@VivaJanuzaj and @Marty1968 as well. Ready to go. @Tuppet @Snow

Coolio. I'll set it up in a few minutes.

 

[Marty1968]

That's it for round one then folks. Will get all the results up here in a moment (all tight games!).

On to the reinforcement round and draw for the 1/4 finals.

Question is (and I throw it open to the others left in as well), do we do the draw first and then reinforce to combat our opponents or reinforce first then find out who we're playing against? I'd favour the first option as we did it for the first round but up to the general consensus.

Once we've sorted the above, the picking order will be the reverse of the drafting order so first up will be Aldo/The Stain

 

[Marty1968]

First Round Results:

1. Enigma_87/Snow vs. Tuppet – (13 - 10)
2. mazhar13/Boycott vs. Marty1968 – (10 - 12)
3. Gio vs. Isotope – (13 - 11)
4. Sjor Bepo/anant vs. Crappycraperson – (10 - 9)
5. Downcast/KirkDuyt vs. VivaJanuzaj/MJJ - (11 - 16)
6. Edgar Allan Pillow vs. Skizzo/Pat_Mustard – (14 - 14 (Skizzo/Pat_Mustard win 3-1 on pens))
7. Joga Bonito/Balu vs. RedTiger – (15 - 9)
8. KM vs. Aldo/The Stain – (11 - 20)

@Enigma_87 @Snow @Gio @Šjor Bepo @anant @VivaJanuzaj @MJJ @Skizzo @Pat_Mustard @Joga Bonito @Balu @Aldo @The Stain

 

[mazhar13]

I'd favour the first option as we did it for the first round but up to the general consensus.

I'm with you here. Personally, it freshens up these drafts by making drafters think about their opponents as well and not just their own setup. Let's see how this goes. At worst, it will be no different to what we usually do.

 

[MJJ]

That's it for round one then folks. Will get all the results up here in a moment (all tight games!).

On to the reinforcement round and draw for the 1/4 finals.

Question is (and I throw it open to the others left in as well), do we do the draw first and then reinforce to combat our opponents or reinforce first then find out who we're playing against? I'd favour the first option as we did it for the first round but up to the general consensus.

Once we've sorted the above, the picking order will be the reverse of the drafting order so first up will be Aldo/The Stain

Draw first.

 

[Balu]

Once we've sorted the above, the picking order will be the reverse of the drafting order so first up will be Aldo/The Stain

Keep your theme throughout the draft, draw first.

 

[MJJ]

That's it for round one then folks. Will get all the results up here in a moment (all tight games!).

On to the reinforcement round and draw for the 1/4 finals.

Question is (and I throw it open to the others left in as well), do we do the draw first and then reinforce to combat our opponents or reinforce first then find out who we're playing against? I'd favour the first option as we did it for the first round but up to the general consensus.

Once we've sorted the above, the picking order will be the reverse of the drafting order so first up will be Aldo/The Stain

How do you come to that conclusion? Should be patizzo then sjor then marty then aldo

 

[Balu]

How do you come to that conclusion? Should be patizzo then sjor then marty then aldo

Yeah, you're right. The drafting order should be (if I'm not mistaken, so better someone else look over it again):

1. Skizzo/Pat
2. Sjor/anant
3. Marty
4. Aldo
5. Viva/MJJ
6. Joga/Balu
7. Enigma/Snow
8. Gio

 

[Marty1968]

How do you come to that conclusion? Should be patizzo then sjor then marty then aldo

Yeah you're right. Got sidetracked and then put the wrong ones in! It is rightly Skizzo/Pat

 

[Marty1968]

Yeah, you're right. The drafting order should be (if I'm not mistaken, so better someone else look over it again):

1. Skizzo/Pat
2. Sjor/anant
3. Marty
4. Aldo
5. Viva/MJJ
6. Joga/Balu
7. Enigma/Snow
8. Gio

Yep correct order!!

 

[Moby]

Draw first.

 

[Marty1968]

@green_smiley could you please do the draw for the next round (may as well do it to clash with the Europa League draw in a moment - not bothered about that Mickey Mouse cup anymore!).

 

[Šjor Bepo]

and its time to drop Gazza, feck

 

[green_smiley]

​

Spoiler: QF1

vs.

Joga Bonito/Balu vs. Sjor Bepo/anant ​

 

[green_smiley]

Spoiler: QF2

vs.

Marty1968 vs. Skizzo/Pat_Mustard ​

 

[green_smiley]

Spoiler: QF3

vs.

Gio vs. VivaJanuzaj/MJJ​

 

[green_smiley]

Spoiler: QF4

vs.

Enigma_87/Snow vs. Aldo/The Stain​

 

[green_smiley]

Quarterfinal Draw

1. Joga Bonito/Balu vs. Sjor Bepo/anant
2. Marty1968 vs. Skizzo/Pat_Mustard
3. Gio vs. VivaJanuzaj/MJJ
4. Enigma_87/Snow vs. Aldo/The Stain

 

[green_smiley]

 

[The Stain]

Quarterfinalists:

Gio - 1. Nedved 2. Veron 3. Reuter 4. Deschamps 5. Puyol 6. Bratseth 7. Careca 8. Michel 9. Thon 10. Sergi 11. Chilavert 12. Yeboah
Enigma_87/Snow - 1. Kaka 2. Villa 3. Lucio 4. Modric 5. Schneider 6. Marcelo 7. Helmer 8. Salgado 9. Conte 10. Vialli 11. van der Sar 12. Luis Gustavo
Joga Bonito/Balu - 1. Bergomi 2. Xabi Alonso 3. Dani Alves 4. Häßler 5. Forlán 6. Ferri 7. Dunga 8. Aimar 9. Crespo 10. Carboni 11. Eike Immel 12. Dedê
VivaJanuzaj/MJJ - 1. Müller 2. Eto'o 3. Guardiola 4. T. Silva 5. Samuel 6. Abidal 7. Sneijder 8. Khedira 9. Robinho 10. Klos 11. Carvajal 12.Cassano
Aldo/The Stain - 1. Davids 2. Littbarski 3. Mendieta 4. Montero 5. Makaay 6. Henry 7. Mascherano 8. Angloma 9. Candela 10. Linke 11. Aumann 12. Zola
Marty1968 - 1. Seedorf 2. Costacurta 3. Berthold 4. Gattuso 5. Scholl 6. Benarrivo 7.Babbel 8. Butragueño 9. Zamorano 10. Lehmann 11. McManaman 12. Mihajlović
Sjor Bepo/anant - 1. Stam 2. Alaba 3. Camoranesi 4. Godin 5. Gündoğan 6. Kluivert 7. Javi Martinez 8. Gascoigne 9. Futre 10. Juanfran 11. Peruzzi 12. Rosicky
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard - 1. Hierro 2. Ruggeri 3. Klinsmann 4. Bebeto 5. Möller 6. Chiellini 7. Baraja 8. Ziege 9. Pogba 10. Zenga 11. Basler 12. Mannini

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Available pool:

KM /Cal? - 1. Zlatan 2. Reus 3. Buchwald 4. Albertini 5. Boban 6. Filipe Luis 7. Griezmann 8. Senna 9. Piszczek 10. Courtois 11. Bonucci 12. Aubameyang
Downcast/KirkDuyt - 1. Neymar 2. Yaya Touré 3. Falcao 4. Di Maria 5. Maicon 6. Özil 7. Heinrich 8. Vieira 9. Stankovic 10. Materrazzi 11. Júlio César da Silva 12. Stegen
Crappycraperson - 1. Totti 2. Savićević 3. Bale 4. Kroos 5. Popescu 6. Jorginho 7. Jeremies 8. Grosso 9. Gamarra 10. Canizares 11. Ivan Cordoba 12. Kuffour
mazhar13/Boycott - 1. Shevchenko 2. Aldair 3. Donadoni 4. Luis Enrique 5. Cocu 6. Pique 7. Chendo 8. Kahn 9. Serginho 10. Uwe Bein 11. Wynton Rufer 12. Emerson
RedTiger - 1. Ballack 2. Zambrotta 3 Ayala 4. Vidal 5. Aguero 6. Paulo Sousa 7. Panucci 8. Francescoli 9. Wörns 10. Butt 11. Mijatovic 12. Sensini
Isotope - 1. Cafu 2. Weah 3. Ze Roberto 4. Mauro Silva 5. Hummels 6. Signori 7. Sanchis 8. van Bommel 9. Illgner 10. Valeron 11. David Pizarro 12. Suker
Tuppet - 1. R. Carlos 2. Zanetti 3. Völler 4. Ferrara 5. Riquelme 6. B. Laudrup 7. Nadal 8. De Rossi 9. Balakov 10. Zubizarreta 11. Caniggia 12. Eilts
Edgar Allan Pillow - 1. B Lizarazu 2. W Sagnol 3. C Vieri 4. J Boateng 5. D Simeone 6. E Cambiasso 7. Deco 8. F de Boer 9. A Kopke 10. F Inzaghi 11. I Helguera 12. A Di Livio

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Picking order:

@Skizzo / @Pat_Mustard
Sjor/anant
Marty
Aldo/The Stain
Viva/MJJ
Joga/Balu
Enigma/Snow
Gio

 

[Marty1968]

Think we've got the message anyway, but just to be sure can we all make sure that our team formations are presented like the one below, so that players league is clearly shown).

Thanks,.

 

[Gio]

Your rapidfire average is going belly-up SkizzoPat.

 

[Skizzo]

Your rapidfire average is going belly-up SkizzoPat.

If anything it should come down a little. Deadline doesn't start until I come on

 

[Šjor Bepo]

anant gone missing and i need another pair of eyes.....anybody?

 

[Skizzo]

We'll make a pick to fix our biggest weakness, and also have the dual bonus of picking from our vanquished opponent.

He's happy to still be involved, and we're happy he's a like-for-like swap, and huge improvement.

Bixente Lizarazu​

 

[Skizzo]

1. Gio - 1. Nedved 2. Veron 3. Reuter 4. Deschamps 5. Puyol 6. Bratseth 7. Careca 8. Michel 9. Thon 10. Sergi 11. Chilavert 12. Yeboah
   Enigma_87/Snow - 1. Kaka 2. Villa 3. Lucio 4. Modric 5. Schneider 6. Marcelo 7. Helmer 8. Salgado 9. Conte 10. Vialli 11. van der Sar 12. Luis Gustavo
   Joga Bonito/Balu - 1. Bergomi 2. Xabi Alonso 3. Dani Alves 4. Häßler 5. Forlán 6. Ferri 7. Dunga 8. Aimar 9. Crespo 10. Carboni 11. Eike Immel 12. Dedê
   VivaJanuzaj/MJJ - 1. Müller 2. Eto'o 3. Guardiola 4. T. Silva 5. Samuel 6. Abidal 7. Sneijder 8. Khedira 9. Robinho 10. Klos 11. Carvajal 12.Cassano
   Aldo/The Stain - 1. Davids 2. Littbarski 3. Mendieta 4. Montero 5. Makaay 6. Henry 7. Mascherano 8. Angloma 9. Candela 10. Linke 11. Aumann 12. Zola
   Marty1968 - 1. Seedorf 2. Costacurta 3. Berthold 4. Gattuso 5. Scholl 6. Benarrivo 7.Babbel 8. Butragueño 9. Zamorano 10. Lehmann 11. McManaman 12. Mihajlović
   Sjor Bepo/anant - 1. Stam 2. Alaba 3. Camoranesi 4. Godin 5. Gündoğan 6. Kluivert 7. Javi Martinez 8. Gascoigne 9. Futre 10. Juanfran 11. Peruzzi 12. Rosicky
   Skizzo/Pat_Mustard - 1. Hierro 2. Ruggeri 3.Klinsmann 4. Bebeto 5. Möller 6. Chiellini 7. Baraja 8. Ziege 9. Pogba 10. Zenga 11. Basler 12. Mannini 13. Lizarazu
   
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   Available pool:
   
   KM /Cal? - 1. Zlatan 2. Reus 3. Buchwald 4. Albertini 5. Boban 6. Filipe Luis 7. Griezmann 8. Senna 9. Piszczek 10. Courtois 11. Bonucci 12. Aubameyang
   Downcast/KirkDuyt - 1. Neymar 2. Yaya Touré 3. Falcao 4. Di Maria 5. Maicon 6. Özil 7. Heinrich 8. Vieira 9. Stankovic 10. Materrazzi 11. Júlio César da Silva 12. Stegen
   Crappycraperson - 1. Totti 2. Savićević 3. Bale 4. Kroos 5. Popescu 6. Jorginho 7. Jeremies 8. Grosso 9. Gamarra 10. Canizares 11. Ivan Cordoba 12. Kuffour
   mazhar13/Boycott - 1. Shevchenko 2. Aldair 3. Donadoni 4. Luis Enrique 5. Cocu 6. Pique 7. Chendo 8. Kahn 9. Serginho 10. Uwe Bein 11. Wynton Rufer 12. Emerson
   RedTiger - 1. Ballack 2. Zambrotta 3 Ayala 4. Vidal 5. Aguero 6. Paulo Sousa 7. Panucci 8. Francescoli 9. Wörns 10. Butt 11. Mijatovic 12. Sensini
   Isotope - 1. Cafu 2. Weah 3. Ze Roberto 4. Mauro Silva 5. Hummels 6. Signori 7. Sanchis 8. van Bommel 9. Illgner 10. Valeron 11. David Pizarro 12. Suker
   Tuppet - 1. R. Carlos 2. Zanetti 3. Völler 4. Ferrara 5. Riquelme 6. B. Laudrup 7. Nadal 8. De Rossi 9. Balakov 10. Zubizarreta 11. Caniggia 12. Eilts
   Edgar Allan Pillow - 2. W Sagnol 3. C Vieri 4. J Boateng 5. D Simeone 6. E Cambiasso 7. Deco 8. F de Boer 9. A Kopke 10. F Inzaghi 11. I Helguera 12. A Di Livio
   
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   Picking order:
   
   Skizzo / Pat_Mustard
   @Šjor Bepo / @anant
   Marty
   Aldo/The Stain
   Viva/MJJ
   Joga/Balu
   Enigma/Snow
   Gio
   

 

[Šjor Bepo]

ohh feck it, will go with the most obvious pick

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Gio - 1. Nedved 2. Veron 3. Reuter 4. Deschamps 5. Puyol 6. Bratseth 7. Careca 8. Michel 9. Thon 10. Sergi 11. Chilavert 12. Yeboah
Enigma_87/Snow - 1. Kaka 2. Villa 3. Lucio 4. Modric 5. Schneider 6. Marcelo 7. Helmer 8. Salgado 9. Conte 10. Vialli 11. van der Sar 12. Luis Gustavo
Joga Bonito/Balu - 1. Bergomi 2. Xabi Alonso 3. Dani Alves 4. Häßler 5. Forlán 6. Ferri 7. Dunga 8. Aimar 9. Crespo 10. Carboni 11. Eike Immel 12. Dedê
VivaJanuzaj/MJJ - 1. Müller 2. Eto'o 3. Guardiola 4. T. Silva 5. Samuel 6. Abidal 7. Sneijder 8. Khedira 9. Robinho 10. Klos 11. Carvajal 12.Cassano
Aldo/The Stain - 1. Davids 2. Littbarski 3. Mendieta 4. Montero 5. Makaay 6. Henry 7. Mascherano 8. Angloma 9. Candela 10. Linke 11. Aumann 12. Zola
Marty1968 - 1. Seedorf 2. Costacurta 3. Berthold 4. Gattuso 5. Scholl 6. Benarrivo 7.Babbel 8. Butragueño 9. Zamorano 10. Lehmann 11. McManaman 12. Mihajlović
Sjor Bepo/anant - 1. Stam 2. Alaba 3. Camoranesi 4. Godin 5. Gündoğan 6. Kluivert 7. Javi Martinez 8. Gascoigne 9. Futre 10. Juanfran 11. Peruzzi 12. Rosicky 13. Totti
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard - 1. Hierro 2. Ruggeri 3.Klinsmann 4. Bebeto 5. Möller 6. Chiellini 7. Baraja 8. Ziege 9. Pogba 10. Zenga 11. Basler 12. Mannini 13. Lizarazu

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Available pool:

KM /Cal? - 1. Zlatan 2. Reus 3. Buchwald 4. Albertini 5. Boban 6. Filipe Luis 7. Griezmann 8. Senna 9. Piszczek 10. Courtois 11. Bonucci 12. Aubameyang
Downcast/KirkDuyt - 1. Neymar 2. Yaya Touré 3. Falcao 4. Di Maria 5. Maicon 6. Özil 7. Heinrich 8. Vieira 9. Stankovic 10. Materrazzi 11. Júlio César da Silva 12. Stegen
Crappycraperson - 2. Savićević 3. Bale 4. Kroos 5. Popescu 6. Jorginho 7. Jeremies 8. Grosso 9. Gamarra 10. Canizares 11. Ivan Cordoba 12. Kuffour
mazhar13/Boycott - 1. Shevchenko 2. Aldair 3. Donadoni 4. Luis Enrique 5. Cocu 6. Pique 7. Chendo 8. Kahn 9. Serginho 10. Uwe Bein 11. Wynton Rufer 12. Emerson
RedTiger - 1. Ballack 2. Zambrotta 3 Ayala 4. Vidal 5. Aguero 6. Paulo Sousa 7. Panucci 8. Francescoli 9. Wörns 10. Butt 11. Mijatovic 12. Sensini
Isotope - 1. Cafu 2. Weah 3. Ze Roberto 4. Mauro Silva 5. Hummels 6. Signori 7. Sanchis 8. van Bommel 9. Illgner 10. Valeron 11. David Pizarro 12. Suker
Tuppet - 1. R. Carlos 2. Zanetti 3. Völler 4. Ferrara 5. Riquelme 6. B. Laudrup 7. Nadal 8. De Rossi 9. Balakov 10. Zubizarreta 11. Caniggia 12. Eilts
Edgar Allan Pillow - 2. W Sagnol 3. C Vieri 4. J Boateng 5. D Simeone 6. E Cambiasso 7. Deco 8. F de Boer 9. A Kopke 10. F Inzaghi 11. I Helguera 12. A Di Livio

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Picking order:

Skizzo / Pat_Mustard
Šjor Bepo / anant
@Marty1968
Aldo/The Stain
Viva/MJJ
Joga/Balu
Enigma/Snow
Gio

 

[Šjor Bepo]

can i change my pick?

 

[Theon]

can i change my pick?

Didn't expect that!

In my opinion Totti is the best player in the draft and I think you needed to upgrade Gazza anyway. Looks like a fantastic upgrade to me but I haven't analysed it properly.