La Liga/Serie A/Bundesliga Draft

Arturo Vidal.

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@VivaJanuzaj @MJJ
 
  1. KM/Cal? - 1. Zlatan 2. Reus 3. Buchwald
  2. Downcast/KirkDuyt - 1. Neymar 2. Yaya Touré 3. Falcao
  3. Gio - 1. Nedved 2. Veron 3. Reuter
  4. Enigma_87/Snow - 1. Kaka 2. Villa 3. Lucio
  5. Crappycraperson - 1. Totti 2. Savićević 3. Bale
  6. Joga Bonito/Balu - 1. Bergomi 2. Xabi Alonso 3. Dani Alves
  7. mazhar13/Boycott - 1. Shevchenko 2. Aldair 3. Donadoni
  8. VivaJanuzaj/MJJ - 1. Muller 2. Eto'o 3. Guardiola
  9. RedTiger - 1. Ballack 2. Zambrotta 3 Ayala 4. Vidal
  10. Aldo/The Stain - 1. Davids 2. Littbarski 3. Mendieta 4. Montero
  11. Marty1968 - 1. Seedorf 2. Costacurta 3. Berthold 4. Gattuso
  12. Sjor Bepo/anant - 1. Stam 2. Alaba 3. Camoranesi 4. Godin
  13. Isotope - 1. Cafu 2. Weah 3. Ze Roberto 4. Mauro Silva
  14. Skizzo/Pat_Mustard - 1. Hierro 2. Ruggeri 3. Klinsmann 4. Bebeto
  15. Tuppet - 1. R. Carlos 2. Zanetti 3. Voller 4. Ferrara
  16. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1. Lizarazu 2. Sagnol 3. Vieri 4. J Boateng
Blocked Players:

Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Busquets, Romario, Redondo, Xavi, Rijkaard, Ronaldinho, Maradona, Messi, Luis Ronaldo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski, Van Basten, Baresi, Maldini, Matthaus, Nesta, Kohler, Van Nistelrooy, Suarez, Zidane, Buffon, Casillas, Neuer, Sammer, M. Laudrup, Gullit, Batistuta, Baggio, Pirlo, Stoichkov, Desailly, Thuram, Brehme, Tassotti, Iniesta, Koeman, Raul, Rui Costa, Del Piero, Figo, Rivaldo, Effenberg, Cannavaro, Makelele.[/QUOTE]
 
Balu said:
I prefer early/mid 80's Völler over his later career. Klinsmann was clearly superior for the nationalteam from 88 onwards, while Völler was one of our best players in '84 (few were good) and '86. In the Bundesliga he was brilliant for Bremen and a big reason for their success. I think he still holds the record for most goals in the first 100 Bundesliga matches by the way. He instantly hit the ground running, was the league top scorer in his first season at Bremen and never failed to perform until he left for Italy.
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He was faster back then, but IMO when he was more mature he seemed to be regarded better. I know he was highly regarded at Roma during his stay there and was their top goalscorer usually. Haven't seen him at Bremen mind, only from WC/Euro's highlights.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Yet you picked Boateng in front of him. :D

I'm not sure how Voller would be rated as well(if he's used for the BuLi quota), given that I think his peak was around the 90WC when he was in Italy...
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Yup. 2nd hard decision in a row. Bundesliga pool is getting thinner by the pick and I put that as more important. So Sagnol over Zanetti and Boateng over Ferrera and that bastard Tuppet immediately picked them up both!
 
Enigma_87 said:
He was faster back then, but IMO when he was more mature he seemed to be regarded better. I know he was highly regarded at Roma during his stay there and was their top goalscorer usually. Haven't seen him at Bremen mind, only from WC/Euro's highlights.
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I don't think he improved at Roma though. It's just the usual 'you don't get credit for being brilliant at Bremen' theme, which leads to the problem that many of the Bundesliga players of that era are underrated.
 
Balu said:
I don't think he improved at Roma though. It's just the usual 'you don't get credit for being brilliant at Bremen' theme, which leads to the problem that many of the Bundesliga players of that era are underrated.
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yeah, theres a player that i drafted once who im considering again, but no-one really rated him last time even though he had great stats.
 
Balu said:
I don't think he improved at Roma though. It's just the usual 'you don't get credit for being brilliant at Bremen' theme, which leads to the problem that many of the Bundesliga players of that era are underrated.
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Well I think it has something to do with the defence level at that time in the Bundesliga IMO. 10-0 and results like that were even considered normal which could helped him botch up his stats.

I think there was Kickers Offenbach? that conceded like 100+ goals in 34 games during that time. Most teams shipped more than 50-60 goals per season and that is in 34 games..

I'm sure you are right for his record but when you take into consideration that Voller was only once a top goalscorer at the time gives you a general idea of why most people would think that.
 
It is too early to launch hostilities :angel:

Once the games start, please do it :devil:
 
Downcast said:
It is too early to launch hostilities :angel:

Once the games start, please do it :devil:
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G5 - When posting your draft pick, please post a picture of the player. You can also briefly explain why you picked this player. This will help keep discussions going as well as outside interest.
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;)
 
Enigma_87 said:
Well I think it has something to do with the defence level at that time in the Bundesliga IMO. 10-0 and results like that were even considered normal which could helped him botch up his stats.

I think there was Kickers Offenbach? that conceded like 100+ goals in 34 games during that time. Most teams shipped more than 50-60 goals per season and that is in 34 games..

I'm sure you are right for his record but when you take into consideration that Voller was only once a top goalscorer at the time gives you a general idea of why most people would think that.
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Well, Bremen scored 76 goals in 34 games, when he was top scorer with 23 goals. That's hardly some crazy inflated attacking stat. And they finished level on points with Hamburg and only lost the league title on goal difference. And that was against a sensational Hamburg side that won the European Cup that season, played the UEFA Cup final the previous season and the European Cup final 2 years earlier. The fact that the league was overall a lot more attacking than Serie A at the time shouldn't really detract from his individual achievement and his importance to his team during those years, when the Bundesliga clearly was a quality league with many different teams regularly going far in Europe.
 
Balu said:
Well, Bremen scored 76 goals in 34 games, when he was top scorer with 23 goals. That's hardly some crazy inflated attacking stat. And they finished level on points with Hamburg and only lost the league title on goal difference. And that was against a sensational Hamburg side that won the European Cup that season, played the UEFA Cup final the previous season and the European Cup final 2 years earlier. The fact that the league was overall a lot more attacking than Serie A at the time shouldn't really detract from his individual achievement and his importance to his team during those years, when the Bundesliga clearly was a quality league with many different teams regularly going far in Europe.
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Well after that Hamburg side there were couple of years when German sides were really poor in Europe and didn't reach the latter stages of any European tournament, with one personal favorite my local team nearly eliminating Bayern in the CWC and your keeper saved you asses on that day :D

Not comparing it to Italy and the Cattenacio but to other top leagues where they played like 8 games more and the numbers were significantly lower even then. A lot of players hit numbers close to 20 in those seasons who I don't consider that much special to be honest. I think it was somehow a transitional period topped with a group stage exit in 1984 EURO and afterwards things started to move forward.
 
Downcast said:
@Balu

Who is the best?
Voller with Bremen, Marseille or Roma?
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At Marsaille he was past his peak in my opinion. Still a valuable player, but clearly not as great anymore. I don't think there's much, if anything, between his performances at Roma and for Bremen.

Enigma_87 said:
Not comparing it to Italy and the Cattenacio but to other top leagues where they played like 8 games more and the numbers were significantly lower even then. A lot of players hit numbers close to 20 in those seasons who I don't consider that much special to be honest. I think it was somehow a transitional period topped with a group stage exit in 1984 EURO and afterwards things started to move forward.
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I'm pretty sure the Bundesliga in general has the highest goal/game average between the top leagues throughout all decades. It's always been the most open and attacking league. Again, not sure how that tells us anything about the individual quality of a player or the impact he had on his team?

We better leave that discussion for one of the games though, because it's difficult to argue without naming players.
 
Balu said:
We better leave that discussion for one of the games though, because it's difficult to argue without naming players.
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I agree.

It'll be interesting to see your opinion on Klinsmann as well as I thought of picking him in previous drafts but not sure how rated is he around here.
 
  1. KM/Cal? - 1. Zlatan 2. Reus 3. Buchwald
  2. Downcast/KirkDuyt - 1. Neymar 2. Yaya Touré 3. Falcao
  3. Gio - 1. Nedved 2. Veron 3. Reuter
  4. Enigma_87/Snow - 1. Kaka 2. Villa 3. Lucio
  5. Crappycraperson - 1. Totti 2. Savićević 3. Bale
  6. Joga Bonito/Balu - 1. Bergomi 2. Xabi Alonso 3. Dani Alves
  7. mazhar13/Boycott - 1. Shevchenko 2. Aldair 3. Donadoni
  8. VivaJanuzaj/MJJ - 1. Muller 2. Eto'o 3. Guardiola 4. T.Silva
  9. RedTiger - 1. Ballack 2. Zambrotta 3 Ayala 4. Vidal
  10. Aldo/The Stain - 1. Davids 2. Littbarski 3. Mendieta 4. Montero
  11. Marty1968 - 1. Seedorf 2. Costacurta 3. Berthold 4. Gattuso
  12. Sjor Bepo/anant - 1. Stam 2. Alaba 3. Camoranesi 4. Godin
  13. Isotope - 1. Cafu 2. Weah 3. Ze Roberto 4. Mauro Silva
  14. Skizzo/Pat_Mustard - 1. Hierro 2. Ruggeri 3. Klinsmann 4. Bebeto
  15. Tuppet - 1. R. Carlos 2. Zanetti 3. Voller 4. Ferrara
  16. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1. Lizarazu 2. Sagnol 3. Vieri 4. J Boateng
Blocked Players:

Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Busquets, Romario, Redondo, Xavi, Rijkaard, Ronaldinho, Maradona, Messi, Luis Ronaldo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski, Van Basten, Baresi, Maldini, Matthaus, Nesta, Kohler, Van Nistelrooy, Suarez, Zidane, Buffon, Casillas, Neuer, Sammer, M. Laudrup, Gullit, Batistuta, Baggio, Pirlo, Stoichkov, Desailly, Thuram, Brehme, Tassotti, Iniesta, Koeman, Raul, Rui Costa, Del Piero, Figo, Rivaldo, Effenberg, Cannavaro, Makelele.

@mazhar13 @Boycott
 
mazhar13 said:
Really? He's been a great winger when he was at his peak. Sure, he may not have been the main man due to the other attacking players, but he was still a fine player and, at the least, a great supporting cast for the Juve stars.
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I don't know, I remember watching him and feels like he's this dark horse, not so easy on the eye midfielder. He works hard I'll give you that, but I've never been too impressed with his technique or his vision. I can think of a few players in his position I'd take before. But convince me wrong in the match thread :)
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
I don't know, I remember watching him and feels like he's this dark horse, not so easy on the eye midfielder. He works hard I'll give you that, but I've never been too impressed with his technique or his vision. I can think of a few players in his position I'd take before. But convince me wrong in the match thread :)
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footballing masterclass by Mauro Camoranesi:


the rest we will leave for the match thread :)
 
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  1. KM/Cal? - 1. Zlatan 2. Reus 3. Buchwald
  2. Downcast/KirkDuyt - 1. Neymar 2. Yaya Touré 3. Falcao
  3. Gio - 1. Nedved 2. Veron 3. Reuter
  4. Enigma_87/Snow - 1. Kaka 2. Villa 3. Lucio
  5. Crappycraperson - 1. Totti 2. Savićević 3. Bale
  6. Joga Bonito/Balu - 1. Bergomi 2. Xabi Alonso 3. Dani Alves
  7. mazhar13/Boycott - 1. Shevchenko 2. Aldair 3. Donadoni 4. Luis Enrique
  8. VivaJanuzaj/MJJ - 1. Muller 2. Eto'o 3. Guardiola 4. T.Silva
  9. RedTiger - 1. Ballack 2. Zambrotta 3 Ayala 4. Vidal
  10. Aldo/The Stain - 1. Davids 2. Littbarski 3. Mendieta 4. Montero
  11. Marty1968 - 1. Seedorf 2. Costacurta 3. Berthold 4. Gattuso
  12. Sjor Bepo/anant - 1. Stam 2. Alaba 3. Camoranesi 4. Godin
  13. Isotope - 1. Cafu 2. Weah 3. Ze Roberto 4. Mauro Silva
  14. Skizzo/Pat_Mustard - 1. Hierro 2. Ruggeri 3. Klinsmann 4. Bebeto
  15. Tuppet - 1. R. Carlos 2. Zanetti 3. Voller 4. Ferrara
  16. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1. Lizarazu 2. Sagnol 3. Vieri 4. J Boateng
Blocked Players:

Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Busquets, Romario, Redondo, Xavi, Rijkaard, Ronaldinho, Maradona, Messi, Luis Ronaldo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski, Van Basten, Baresi, Maldini, Matthaus, Nesta, Kohler, Van Nistelrooy, Suarez, Zidane, Buffon, Casillas, Neuer, Sammer, M. Laudrup, Gullit, Batistuta, Baggio, Pirlo, Stoichkov, Desailly, Thuram, Brehme, Tassotti, Iniesta, Koeman, Raul, Rui Costa, Del Piero, Figo, Rivaldo, Effenberg, Cannavaro, Makelele.

@Joga Bonito
@Balu
 
  1. KM/Cal? - 1. Zlatan 2. Reus 3. Buchwald
  2. Downcast/KirkDuyt - 1. Neymar 2. Yaya Touré 3. Falcao
  3. Gio - 1. Nedved 2. Veron 3. Reuter
  4. Enigma_87/Snow - 1. Kaka 2. Villa 3. Lucio
  5. Crappycraperson - 1. Totti 2. Savićević 3. Bale
  6. Joga Bonito/Balu - 1. Bergomi 2. Xabi Alonso 3. Dani Alves 4. Häßler
  7. mazhar13/Boycott - 1. Shevchenko 2. Aldair 3. Donadoni 4. Luis Enrique
  8. VivaJanuzaj/MJJ - 1. Muller 2. Eto'o 3. Guardiola 4. T.Silva
  9. RedTiger - 1. Ballack 2. Zambrotta 3 Ayala 4. Vidal
  10. Aldo/The Stain - 1. Davids 2. Littbarski 3. Mendieta 4. Montero
  11. Marty1968 - 1. Seedorf 2. Costacurta 3. Berthold 4. Gattuso
  12. Sjor Bepo/anant - 1. Stam 2. Alaba 3. Camoranesi 4. Godin
  13. Isotope - 1. Cafu 2. Weah 3. Ze Roberto 4. Mauro Silva
  14. Skizzo/Pat_Mustard - 1. Hierro 2. Ruggeri 3. Klinsmann 4. Bebeto
  15. Tuppet - 1. R. Carlos 2. Zanetti 3. Voller 4. Ferrara
  16. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1. Lizarazu 2. Sagnol 3. Vieri 4. J Boateng
Blocked Players:

Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Busquets, Romario, Redondo, Xavi, Rijkaard, Ronaldinho, Maradona, Messi, Luis Ronaldo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski, Van Basten, Baresi, Maldini, Matthaus, Nesta, Kohler, Van Nistelrooy, Suarez, Zidane, Buffon, Casillas, Neuer, Sammer, M. Laudrup, Gullit, Batistuta, Baggio, Pirlo, Stoichkov, Desailly, Thuram, Brehme, Tassotti, Iniesta, Koeman, Raul, Rui Costa, Del Piero, Figo, Rivaldo, Effenberg, Cannavaro, Makelele.

@crappycraperson
 
Boycott said:
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  1. KM/Cal? - 1. Zlatan 2. Reus 3. Buchwald
  2. Downcast/KirkDuyt - 1. Neymar 2. Yaya Touré 3. Falcao
  3. Gio - 1. Nedved 2. Veron 3. Reuter
  4. Enigma_87/Snow - 1. Kaka 2. Villa 3. Lucio
  5. Crappycraperson - 1. Totti 2. Savićević 3. Bale
  6. Joga Bonito/Balu - 1. Bergomi 2. Xabi Alonso 3. Dani Alves
  7. mazhar13/Boycott - 1. Shevchenko 2. Aldair 3. Donadoni 4. Luis Enrique
  8. VivaJanuzaj/MJJ - 1. Muller 2. Eto'o 3. Guardiola 4. T.Silva
  9. RedTiger - 1. Ballack 2. Zambrotta 3 Ayala 4. Vidal
  10. Aldo/The Stain - 1. Davids 2. Littbarski 3. Mendieta 4. Montero
  11. Marty1968 - 1. Seedorf 2. Costacurta 3. Berthold 4. Gattuso
  12. Sjor Bepo/anant - 1. Stam 2. Alaba 3. Camoranesi 4. Godin
  13. Isotope - 1. Cafu 2. Weah 3. Ze Roberto 4. Mauro Silva
  14. Skizzo/Pat_Mustard - 1. Hierro 2. Ruggeri 3. Klinsmann 4. Bebeto
  15. Tuppet - 1. R. Carlos 2. Zanetti 3. Voller 4. Ferrara
  16. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1. Lizarazu 2. Sagnol 3. Vieri 4. J Boateng
Blocked Players:

Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Busquets, Romario, Redondo, Xavi, Rijkaard, Ronaldinho, Maradona, Messi, Luis Ronaldo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski, Van Basten, Baresi, Maldini, Matthaus, Nesta, Kohler, Van Nistelrooy, Suarez, Zidane, Buffon, Casillas, Neuer, Sammer, M. Laudrup, Gullit, Batistuta, Baggio, Pirlo, Stoichkov, Desailly, Thuram, Brehme, Tassotti, Iniesta, Koeman, Raul, Rui Costa, Del Piero, Figo, Rivaldo, Effenberg, Cannavaro, Makelele.

@Joga Bonito
@Balu
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damnit
 
Keep on looking at this and hoping that suddenly everyone will have picked and its back round to me but think it'll be tomorrow at the rate we've been going...
 
Lets have a neutral admin with whom we place our choices when not online, so that the game continues at a fast pace
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Finally! Can't believe the likes of Yaya and Camoranesi were picked before him!

Edit: No offence to with of those picks, but I just rate Lucha a lot higher.
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This. It almost killed me picking Thiago Silva over him. Him & Pep together again at midfield :drool:

And.. The same can be said about some of the CBs being picked before Thiago Silva..
 
Balu said:
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Oh yes. That's a player.

One down, two to go for my old faves (who I hope and expect will be picked - and shine - in this draft).

Häßler is the best of 'em, though, so it's fitting that he goes first.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Finally! Can't believe the likes of Yaya and Camoranesi were picked before him!

Edit: No offence to with of those picks, but I just rate Lucha a lot higher.
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non taken, i also rate Lucha higher(not a lot but higher) but for the system we hope to play Camoranesi is a better fit.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
And.. The same can be said about some of the CBs being picked before Thiago Silva..
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I had 3 CBs tossing around, my favourite was Ferrera, then Silva and finally Boateng. Bundesliga is nearly done and I don't think there would be any good players left by the time it came back to me. So had to pick Boateng to fill my 3 outfield players quota. After Hassler, Boateng and maybe one more..the drop in quality is quite high so didn't risk it.
 
Gio said:
I did think about crowbarring in Thomas after Pierre went, but it didn't quite smell right. Cracking player though (another forgotten hero of the Euros draft).
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Indeed – and in that context there's really no excuse for not rating him extremely highly. He was brilliant in both '92 and '96, as I recall it, though he had a bit of an odd run in the latter tournament: Was used as a late sub in both the q-f and the s-f against England (where he scored a penalty – of course), and then started in the final.

I remember that tournament both well and not so well – sort of a detailed haze, if you will. But I don't remember whether he was slightly injured, or whether it was purely tactical – that he didn't start until the final, I mean.

I was in the military at the time, but I got leave to head over to Manchester to see a couple of matches I had managed to get tickets for (and those were not cheap, I can tell you).

Anyway, superb player – always enjoyed watching him on the ball (and off it too – incredibly clever little bastard).
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I had 3 CBs tossing around, my favourite was Ferrera, then Silva and finally Boateng. Bundesliga is nearly done and I don't think there would be any good players left by the time it came back to me. So had to pick Boateng to fill my 3 outfield players quota. After Hassler, Boateng and maybe one more..the drop in quality is quite high so didn't risk it.
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Yeah I get Boateng for the BuLi, especially without Messi in the draft :lol: , but I rate T.Silva > Ferrara by just a bit mainly because Silva is much more complete and an absolute animal, he's over Boateng as well but Boateng fits the Bundesliga slot.. Not sure Ayala is better than Silva either.
 
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