This sounds stupid but most people who don't follow football regularly use Fifa to decide which team to follow or which players are the best.
La Liga 2017/18
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On the football pitch - yes.Well you clearly don’t understand the meaning of cheating so you likely needed a ridiculous analogy to see the point. “It’s not cheating if you get caught and punished”Read that back to yourself to see how ridiculous that sounds.
As soon as Kovacic moved from Messi, Rakitic would have just played it to Messi who would have ran into space.
Well, this is on Zidane. Losing Morata, Pepe and James is on him, his refusal to use Ceballos and Llorente to spell Kroos and Modric at a time where they both looked more than knackered is on him, his clearly misguided faith in Benzema is on him. Benzema has been pants since September, it's ridiculous that he still plays by default
We were in control in the first half, it's pathetic the way we completely flatlined in the second half.
First goal would have made arsenal proud -Modric loses his man(WHY?!?!) Kovacic stays home on Messi instead of closing down on Rakitic(understandable), Varane doesn't rugby-tackle Rakitic when he has the chance(UNFORGIVABLE)...
From there we completely lost our heads. Again, for no fecking reason
Congrats to them, league title is well deserved. Still doesn't change the fact that we really should be better than them
PS there's really no hiding around the fact that our biggest problem right now are the strikers. Wish Zizou would show the balls to play Isco and Asensio with either Cristiano or Bale up top. Or even Kovacic, play Isco and Asensio as double false 9
PPS Kroos was really bad today too
PPPS: we seriously need to sign a top CB ASAP
We were in control in the first half, it's pathetic the way we completely flatlined in the second half.
First goal would have made arsenal proud -Modric loses his man(WHY?!?!) Kovacic stays home on Messi instead of closing down on Rakitic(understandable), Varane doesn't rugby-tackle Rakitic when he has the chance(UNFORGIVABLE)...
From there we completely lost our heads. Again, for no fecking reason
Congrats to them, league title is well deserved. Still doesn't change the fact that we really should be better than them
PS there's really no hiding around the fact that our biggest problem right now are the strikers. Wish Zizou would show the balls to play Isco and Asensio with either Cristiano or Bale up top. Or even Kovacic, play Isco and Asensio as double false 9
PPS Kroos was really bad today too
PPPS: we seriously need to sign a top CB ASAP
Madrid should have brought more players in, it's only natural for players to lose their hunger a bit. You need new players to keep that drive and hunger up.
Makes sense. Has Perez been president for all that time?
Pretty funny reading the Super Cup thread now. So many posts like this claiming Barca are finished:
It isn't it's the truth.
I mean currently Ronaldo has like 94 in dribbling when last season he wasn't even in the top 15 best dribblers in laliga.
Then that Nike advert with him dribbling a whole team feeds into the myth. It's all carefully constructed.
Since 2008 it's been clear who the superior footballer is.
The modern day Gerd Muller vs Cruyff
Well, this is on Zidane. Losing Morata, Pepe and James is on him, his refusal to use Ceballos and Llorente to spell Kroos and Modric at a time where they both looked more than knackered is on him, his clearly misguided faith in Benzema is on him. Benzema has been pants since September, it's ridiculous that he still plays by default
We were in control in the first half, it's pathetic the way we completely flatlined in the second half.
First goal would have made arsenal proud -Modric loses his man(WHY?!?!) Kovacic stays home on Messi instead of closing down on Rakitic(understandable), Varane doesn't rugby-tackle Rakitic when he has the chance(UNFORGIVABLE)...
From there we completely lost our heads. Again, for no fecking reason
Congrats to them, league title is well deserved. Still doesn't change the fact that we really should be better than them
PS there's really no hiding around the fact that our biggest problem right now are the strikers. Wish Zizou would show the balls to play Isco and Asensio with either Cristiano or Bale up top. Or even Kovacic, play Isco and Asensio as double false 9
PPS Kroos was really bad today too
PPPS: we seriously need to sign a top CB ASAP
Your not that far ahead of Sevilla in fifth and face a very good PSG side in the CL. Qualification for next years CL is far from certain.
Barcelona have 45 points after 17 games, City had 49 - that put's it into context just how unusual and exceptional City's season has been, any other season we'd be a lot closer to the top of the table.
TBF, we got 96(-4*), 92(-5*), 85(-15), 87(-4*), 92(-2) and 90(-2*) points in the last 6 league campaigns we didn't win. Not really a matter of being a cup team, we just consistently came up against at least one team that was better or just as good as us and slightly more consistent
*added 1 point due to losing H2H vs 1st
Need a gif of Busquets destroying Kroos ahead of the opening goal
3 straight Primera wins at the BernaLeo, first time in Clasico history
That's a fair point but I would argue that with the exception of Barcelona 2009-2011 who I think are incomparable, the rest were seasons where the competition should not have been expected to be better. Barcelona were a normal top team, with brilliant individuals but they were far from flawless, gaining more points than Real in most of those seasons then suggest that Real were even more flawed. The article I referred to suggested that the hunger, consistency and tactical discipline required to navigate 10 months of games is simply difficult to create with Real. The players are a collection of the very best individuals across Europe and tactically, there is no foundation on which the team is built. Their best managers are the ones who successfully keep a peaceful and high morale like Ancelotti and now Zidane. This comes at the expense of instilling any long term tactical foundation. I mean the fact that last season's was the first since the '50s I think where Real had actually won the league and CL double is a really curious one wouldn't you say.
Surely advantage is meant to be an advantage. Red and a pen is more of an advantage than the goal
Good point, i agree with it, but that said, of those title losses i mentioned, 2 came against that 08-12 Barca, one the year later when they finished on 100 points(and the dressing room mutinied against Mourinho), one we finished 3rd, level with barcelona, and winners were Atletico, who we beat in CL final. Following year barca did the treble(and we were thoroughly fecked by injuries), following season barca was still the same except for one mini-meltdown in the month of April, and we started the season with benitez
Well his second term started in 2009, the year they bought Ronaldo and Kaka in the same transfer window. Although I think Calderon would claim that he made those deals. But during that period where they had what I think is the best individual talent position for position alongside Barcelona, that would make it 9 years now with 2 league titles
Fair enough, you are clearly more familiar with the details that went into every title run and there is a clearly a level of misfortune in some of those campaigns. Would you say that there is a question of culture as well? I remember an Italian friend of mine telling how in Italy, a lot of people feel that winning the CL makes the best in Europe and therefore you are automatically the best in Italy as well. He would say that Berlusconi especially felt that way meaning they would just use the league to qualify for Europe the next year. Do you think there is something in that with Real? Because I know in England, the culture could not be more different where the league is viewed as your bread and butter. A lot of fans including myself feel that Liverpool or Chelsea's wins are somehow lesser because they came in seasons where there were abysmal in the league, I get the feeling that would never come up with Real Madrid.
... and shows a card later. I would give the goal and show him a red card after, as he deserves for that kind of cheating, what do you think about that?
Not sure if that would be allowed by the rules.
I'm almost sure that the rules don't allow that. A red card offense is mandatory stop in the game. Reason being that otherwise there would be a player that shouldn't be in the pitch still influencing gameplay.
Calderon claimed credit for Cristiano, Ferguson just recently confirmed that the only reason he joined in 2009 instead of 2008 as he didn't want to sell to Calderon
The league IS the bread and butter, which is why the CL, the biggest tournament in club football, is much bigger than the league. But we're real madrid, we're supposed to win everything every year
(CL > League for most madridistas, definitely. Above all, it's our competition. Nobody would have remembered Di Stefano's teams if we didn't win 5 EC on the bounce. It's the competition that defines us)I have no idea, just something I think should be fair(not neccesarily correct) in these situations. If Messi misses the penalty player will feel he did the right thing, because he gained unfair advantage for his team. If ref allows the goal after and avoids punishing the player, player will again feel he did the right thing trying to cheat, because he lost nothing. Giving him red card and allowing the goal would be the best, IMO.
I agree rules should allow for that, but if that doesn't happen there's not much a referee can do. Referees are given leeway in areas of the game that are subjective, or impossible to avoid human error every now and then, but in these clear-cut things they can get into trouble if they don't follow the rules. You'll notice referees will always give a yellow card to a player that takes his shirt off when celebrating a goal. Referees themselves probably think it's stupid, but they have to do it.
Calderon claimed credit for Cristiano, Ferguson just recently confirmed that the only reason he joined in 2009 instead of 2008 as he didn't want to sell to Calderon
Even with that claim, it seems still logical to me with the version I believe, that Ronaldo had it almost done in 2008 but Real forced Ferguson and Utd's hand too much and had to settle with an astronomical price for him to join in the next season because keeping him another year was the best Ferguson could do to screw that deal, I also believe some infos about how Florentino didn't really want to sign Ronaldo because of it being job of Calderon, usually he's super candid with his galacticos, but looked colder with Ronaldo until he proved his worth.
I'll always remember the day Marca went full The Sun in a couple hours with 2 totally diferent headlines
Yeah, I know. Can't blame the ref.
At the end I got up to see 60 minutes. I could have stayed in bed.
Congratulations to the culés. Valverde, - who sometimes goes a little unnoticed in conversations - is doing it very well.
Madrid are a disaster for quite some time but we must not forget that they have won 5 titles this year, however it is not the first or the second time that Zidane tries to reassure people by repeating that he will not change,that everything is fine.
I wonder what Cristiano Will do now.He can not disappear for four months, score to Gremio, demand more money and go back to hibernate, Marco Asensio has become Marco "Ausensio" ,his new nickname(Ausente is absent in Spanish), Marcelo is a shadow of himself, Kroos unmotivated and Isco too confident after so much compliments.
I feel a bit sorry for Kovacic, a player who could be so important with more continuity, who did so well in the past, has ended up being pointed,and turned into a vulgar bulldog. "It worked for me at camp nou, so I will repeat it again".
I do not know if he thought that on the other bench someone had also studied the game. In fact I read that Valverde had seen the Supercopa matches countless times.
On the other hand his insistence and stubbornness in not giving minutes of refreshment to young players does nothing but to sink them, and give the impression that they are not valid, which is striking seeing how well the management of the group worked last year.
His stubbornness with Benzema, valid during the first games, is doing a lot of damage to both of them. Both things bring him close to the mistakes that Ancelotti made in the management of the group and perhaps lead to the inevitable, that the players get tired of him and stop wanting to win for him.
Zidane has credit but many months ahead for debates, criticism and games without transcendence, where certain players will erase themselves, slow down or won't risk the leg to avoid missing the World Cup, which will not help.
We still have not arrived in January and their only motivation is 180 minutes against PSG.
I would not be very optimistic. I imagine that Florentino is very angry. I think the team will self destroy,until the bottom, which will bring a good clean in summer.
I wonder if it's worthy to spend now 100€ in a striker, signing that could change completely the plans for the summer
Congratulations to the culés. Valverde, - who sometimes goes a little unnoticed in conversations - is doing it very well.
Madrid are a disaster for quite some time but we must not forget that they have won 5 titles this year, however it is not the first or the second time that Zidane tries to reassure people by repeating that he will not change,that everything is fine.
I wonder what Cristiano Will do now.He can not disappear for four months, score to Gremio, demand more money and go back to hibernate, Marco Asensio has become Marco "Ausensio" ,his new nickname(Ausente is absent in Spanish), Marcelo is a shadow of himself, Kroos unmotivated and Isco too confident after so much compliments.
I feel a bit sorry for Kovacic, a player who could be so important with more continuity, who did so well in the past, has ended up being pointed,and turned into a vulgar bulldog. "It worked for me at camp nou, so I will repeat it again".
I do not know if he thought that on the other bench someone had also studied the game. In fact I read that Valverde had seen the Supercopa matches countless times.
On the other hand his insistence and stubbornness in not giving minutes of refreshment to young players does nothing but to sink them, and give the impression that they are not valid, which is striking seeing how well the management of the group worked last year.
His stubbornness with Benzema, valid during the first games, is doing a lot of damage to both of them. Both things bring him close to the mistakes that Ancelotti made in the management of the group and perhaps lead to the inevitable, that the players get tired of him and stop wanting to win for him.
Zidane has credit but many months ahead for debates, criticism and games without transcendence, where certain players will erase themselves, slow down or won't risk the leg to avoid missing the World Cup, which will not help.
We still have not arrived in January and their only motivation is 180 minutes against PSG.
I would not be very optimistic. I imagine that Florentino is very angry. I think the team will self destroy,until the bottom, which will bring a good clean in summer.
I wonder if it's worthy to spend now 100€ in a striker, signing that could change completely the plans for the summer
And now Derby at Coruña
I was working today, and had to listen to the game on the radio, which was surprisingly tense. :O Incredible to be in this position at this stage of the season. Valverde deserves piles of credit for turning this lopsided squad into potential league winnners, and hopefully he'll be able to improve the squad over the next month. Our record at the Bernabeu is incredible in the past 12-13 years.
Madrid’s team selection seemed odd today.
Modric, Kroos, Kovacic and Casemeiro are all CMs, haven’t watched much of them this year but is that a normal selection?
Modric, Kroos, Kovacic and Casemeiro are all CMs, haven’t watched much of them this year but is that a normal selection?
How are they more suited to cup than league campaigns?
Terrific win for Villareal in the Mestella, Bacca with the winner.
Good to see Asenjo back, he had a terrifc game in goal for Yellow Submarine.
Looks like Villareal will be challenging for top 4 in second half of the season. Valencia in a bit of a slump, winter break coming at a good time for them to regroup and strengthen their squad a bit more.
They're a bit light upfront if Zaza isn't scoring, he got a red so will miss first game back in January.
Good to see Asenjo back, he had a terrifc game in goal for Yellow Submarine.
Looks like Villareal will be challenging for top 4 in second half of the season. Valencia in a bit of a slump, winter break coming at a good time for them to regroup and strengthen their squad a bit more.
They're a bit light upfront if Zaza isn't scoring, he got a red so will miss first game back in January.
Will never understand why Isco who has arguably been the Real's best player this season didn't make the starting squad.
Valencia lost as well, Rangers got beat and Celtic won, I got out of work early, FFS at the rate this day is going, I'm going to pull my dick out and just assume someone will start sucking it.
More of the "mental load" around the club seems focused in the UCL games, they don't get exhausted over a league like other teams do, and they can hit peaks in performance for the 4/5 games they want to in the second half of the season, they get "fresher" than their rivals without being overwhelmed by tactics and letting them be free most of the time.
There's also this thing if I remember correctly, Real seem to win most of their titles when underperforming in the season until the clutch time, everytime they reach some kind of milestone like "record of consecutive wins/games scoring/games undefeated" they end up sucking after that streak, specially if it comes between november and february, they start playing some intranscendental games like they're important and by the time the really important ones arrive, they are empty on the tank. With other teams, a record run usually means solid foundations and a well oiled squad and gameplan, with Madrid it means Ronaldo or Ramos going hero time 5 times in two months vs Betis, Almeria or Athletic, scoring in injury time after 93 minutes of emptying themselves.
Wass scores early for Celta in Galicia derby.
Do we have any Danish fans on this forum, how come he never gets called up by the national team?
Do we have any Danish fans on this forum, how come he never gets called up by the national team?
If someone told you in August after destroying utd and Barca Rm would be 14 points behind Barca on December I'd say you belong on RAWK.
Zidane should be fired for benching Ronaldo in El Clasico. You just can't do something like that and expect to keep your job.
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Which Clasico was that?
Aspas 0-3 .This Depor smell to segunda
And that is why Barcelona and City could yet still not win their respective leagues.