Valencia with a late flourish, should have scored from that corner.
La Liga - 2012/2013
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
anyone heard about Ronaldo's post game comments today? strange they are.
saying he didnt celebrate his goals because hes upset with some people and they know who they are, or words to that effect
saying he didnt celebrate his goals because hes upset with some people and they know who they are, or words to that effect
Off to city in the summer
Interesting article in AS today (which they've kindly translated into English) with Gil Marin (Atletico's CEO) talking about the danger La Liga is facing from the Barca/Madrid sporting and financial strength.
http://www.as.com/english/articulo/in-three-years-time-there/20120905dasdenspo_9/Ten
No surprises but a couple of interesting comments:
"In three years, no great players will remain in the Liga outside of Madrid and Barça" said Miguel Ángel Gil Marín, Atlético's CEO. The others assembled - club president Enrique Cerezo; director Clemete Villaverde, vice-president Antonio Alonso and director of communications Rafael Alique, didn't hesitate in showing they agreed with his predictions.
The complicated (and unfinished) debate that the 'rojiblanco' club and 12 others had with the Liga's organzing body this summer is as significant as the trophy that Gabi lifted in Montecarlo. And from the authority of this continental victory against Chelsea, Atlético will ask for the reconstruction, piece by piece, of La Liga. "This structure has to change so 18 clubs don't continue to live off breadcrumbs", argued Gil Marín. Around the table, it was pointed out that no director from the LPF came to Monaco to support Atlético.
"With the steady flow of players to Qatar, Abu Dhabi and Russia, the 10 or 15 best footballers in the world can keep asking for whatever they want. They'll play in China, at PSG or at Manchester City. Footballers, in the end, always know that their careers are short."
The conversation then turned to Cristiano Ronaldo's revelation that he was "sad" at Real Madrid, though Gil Marín used the topic to argue that the Spanish league needed a breath of fresh air.
"The Premier League has created a brand image and, thanks to international rights, the clubs share out three times more money than in Spain. Here, I'm sure that Madrid and Barça will once again get 30 points more than the third-placed team."
As we were touching on the subject of the conflict, Cerezo started on the topic of scheduling: "Personally I don't like the matches at midday on Sundays. There's no tradition of that in Spain, like in England. But if they have to be played because there's compensation, we'll do it. Now, has someone told us that these matches will be seen in China? And if it really opens the market up, then why do Madrid hardly ever play at this time, and why do Barcelona never play at this time?
"Last year, we played eight matches at this time and seven of those were after Europa League matches on a Thursday," pointed out Gil Marín. La Liga, according to him and the 12 clubs who joined Atleti in the uprising this summer against the LFP, has not published any data on the popularity of Spanish football in Asia.
"And you have to put the emphasis on them. Firstly, because half the world's population lives in Asia and secondly, because qualitatively and quantitatively these countries are powerful. It's a matter of urgency to negotiate for the improvement of those rights," he added.
"You can divide Spanish football into three eras. The first was defined by a lack of legislation. The arrival of clubs as public companies brought about characters like my father (Jesús Gil, the infamous Atlético Madrid owner, who lead the club to the double in 1996 and then relegation in 2000) and Lopera (Manuel Ruiz de Lopera, who used to own Real Betis) and other men who hogged the limelight. Now we have to find a scenario whereby we can restore order and solvency to the league," Gil Marín continued.
"Atlético propose to take the best from other models, the American model, the English model and the German model, and escape from what we have now, where Real Madrid and Barcelona grab all the headlines and the other clubs are merely anecdotal.
"We have to leave behind a league without non-payments and insolvency proceeding. A league in which one team can reach 100 points out of 114 is a league full of problems. We need to look at the English example, where Manchester United lost their first game of the season and won their third in injury time. There, the team that earns the most money earns one and a half times what the team which earns the lowest earns. Here, two teams earn 140 million euros and the next largest team earns 40 million."
According to Gil Marín, this situation allows Madrid and Barça to destroy the other 18 team's squads, decreasing their fanbase and finally, their market share, further widening the gap between the two clubs and the rest.
"You only have to look and what happened this summer," he continued. "Apart from Athletic Bilbao and us, every club (apart from Madrid and Barcelona) had to sell important players to stay afloat. Four clubs came in for Falcao (Manchester City, Chelsea, PSG and Anzhi). He stayed because we decided to take a risk with him. Here we have a player (Emre) who earns 2 million a year now, but earned 4 million a year in Russia."
"The clubs need protection. A Bundesliga player under contract has to agree that he will not earn any money if he is injured for more than 45 days, and he has to pay for his insurance. And if the team gets relegated, his wages are reduced by 40%," added Gil Marín, who believes that the next television deal, up for renewal in 2015, should be sold collectively, although he has little expectation of it happening.
Winning the Supercup has given Atlético a great start to the season, but to maintain momentum they'll need the support of La Liga. But according to Gil Marín, neither LFP president José Luis Astiazarán nor vice-president Javier Tebas is willing to help them along.
"Scoring four goals against Chelsea has had a huge impact and we are now ranked the 8th best team in Europe by UEFA. This has raised our profile but we won't be able to profit from it if our competition has no presence in other countries. We need the league to become a stronger brand abroad."
http://www.as.com/english/articulo/in-three-years-time-there/20120905dasdenspo_9/Ten
No surprises but a couple of interesting comments:
"In three years, no great players will remain in the Liga outside of Madrid and Barça" said Miguel Ángel Gil Marín, Atlético's CEO. The others assembled - club president Enrique Cerezo; director Clemete Villaverde, vice-president Antonio Alonso and director of communications Rafael Alique, didn't hesitate in showing they agreed with his predictions.
The complicated (and unfinished) debate that the 'rojiblanco' club and 12 others had with the Liga's organzing body this summer is as significant as the trophy that Gabi lifted in Montecarlo. And from the authority of this continental victory against Chelsea, Atlético will ask for the reconstruction, piece by piece, of La Liga. "This structure has to change so 18 clubs don't continue to live off breadcrumbs", argued Gil Marín. Around the table, it was pointed out that no director from the LPF came to Monaco to support Atlético.
"With the steady flow of players to Qatar, Abu Dhabi and Russia, the 10 or 15 best footballers in the world can keep asking for whatever they want. They'll play in China, at PSG or at Manchester City. Footballers, in the end, always know that their careers are short."
The conversation then turned to Cristiano Ronaldo's revelation that he was "sad" at Real Madrid, though Gil Marín used the topic to argue that the Spanish league needed a breath of fresh air.
"The Premier League has created a brand image and, thanks to international rights, the clubs share out three times more money than in Spain. Here, I'm sure that Madrid and Barça will once again get 30 points more than the third-placed team."
As we were touching on the subject of the conflict, Cerezo started on the topic of scheduling: "Personally I don't like the matches at midday on Sundays. There's no tradition of that in Spain, like in England. But if they have to be played because there's compensation, we'll do it. Now, has someone told us that these matches will be seen in China? And if it really opens the market up, then why do Madrid hardly ever play at this time, and why do Barcelona never play at this time?
"Last year, we played eight matches at this time and seven of those were after Europa League matches on a Thursday," pointed out Gil Marín. La Liga, according to him and the 12 clubs who joined Atleti in the uprising this summer against the LFP, has not published any data on the popularity of Spanish football in Asia.
"And you have to put the emphasis on them. Firstly, because half the world's population lives in Asia and secondly, because qualitatively and quantitatively these countries are powerful. It's a matter of urgency to negotiate for the improvement of those rights," he added.
"You can divide Spanish football into three eras. The first was defined by a lack of legislation. The arrival of clubs as public companies brought about characters like my father (Jesús Gil, the infamous Atlético Madrid owner, who lead the club to the double in 1996 and then relegation in 2000) and Lopera (Manuel Ruiz de Lopera, who used to own Real Betis) and other men who hogged the limelight. Now we have to find a scenario whereby we can restore order and solvency to the league," Gil Marín continued.
"Atlético propose to take the best from other models, the American model, the English model and the German model, and escape from what we have now, where Real Madrid and Barcelona grab all the headlines and the other clubs are merely anecdotal.
"We have to leave behind a league without non-payments and insolvency proceeding. A league in which one team can reach 100 points out of 114 is a league full of problems. We need to look at the English example, where Manchester United lost their first game of the season and won their third in injury time. There, the team that earns the most money earns one and a half times what the team which earns the lowest earns. Here, two teams earn 140 million euros and the next largest team earns 40 million."
According to Gil Marín, this situation allows Madrid and Barça to destroy the other 18 team's squads, decreasing their fanbase and finally, their market share, further widening the gap between the two clubs and the rest.
"You only have to look and what happened this summer," he continued. "Apart from Athletic Bilbao and us, every club (apart from Madrid and Barcelona) had to sell important players to stay afloat. Four clubs came in for Falcao (Manchester City, Chelsea, PSG and Anzhi). He stayed because we decided to take a risk with him. Here we have a player (Emre) who earns 2 million a year now, but earned 4 million a year in Russia."
"The clubs need protection. A Bundesliga player under contract has to agree that he will not earn any money if he is injured for more than 45 days, and he has to pay for his insurance. And if the team gets relegated, his wages are reduced by 40%," added Gil Marín, who believes that the next television deal, up for renewal in 2015, should be sold collectively, although he has little expectation of it happening.
Winning the Supercup has given Atlético a great start to the season, but to maintain momentum they'll need the support of La Liga. But according to Gil Marín, neither LFP president José Luis Astiazarán nor vice-president Javier Tebas is willing to help them along.
"Scoring four goals against Chelsea has had a huge impact and we are now ranked the 8th best team in Europe by UEFA. This has raised our profile but we won't be able to profit from it if our competition has no presence in other countries. We need the league to become a stronger brand abroad."
Everyone knows that the Spanish league can't continue like this without losing their best players year after year.
A TV deal that only benefits two clubs isn't a sustainable model, especially not in a league where many teams already have massive financial problems.
Even though their national team might keep profiting from this because they will have to rely on youth players coming through the ranks if they can't afford expensive transfers anymore.
A TV deal that only benefits two clubs isn't a sustainable model, especially not in a league where many teams already have massive financial problems.
Even though their national team might keep profiting from this because they will have to rely on youth players coming through the ranks if they can't afford expensive transfers anymore.
Can't really disagree with any of that.
Marin is spot on.
Good summary from Marin. Well spoken/written. Especially liked that he touched on the game time in La Liga, that the LFP hasn't revealed any viewing figures and that they didn't even bother to send a representative to Monaco. That's just pathetic.
Hard to say what other clubs would do if they were in Barcelona's or Real Madrid's position. I think if one backed down the other would do it too because they are so competitive towards one another that they don't seem to care about anything else.
Hard to say what other clubs would do if they were in Barcelona's or Real Madrid's position. I think if one backed down the other would do it too because they are so competitive towards one another that they don't seem to care about anything else.
I suspect however that the difficulties the new tax regulations have posed, as shown with Kieta, Kaka and now Ronaldo, will see the big two fight even harder to hang onto their bloated share of TV money.
That's just pathetic. L
Been awhile this problem. All the other 18 clubs need to get together and be ready for drastic actions.
They are not going to match the EPL in Asia but what they can do is market a competitive league to improve the market share. Clasico sells but not the Spanish league, atleast not that well for arguably the second biggest league. The 18 clubs have to act.
They are not going to match the EPL in Asia but what they can do is market a competitive league to improve the market share. Clasico sells but not the Spanish league, atleast not that well for arguably the second biggest league. The 18 clubs have to act.
I never really understood why it is taking so long for the change to happen - when just about everyone could see the problems it is going to cause medium - long term?
Will Real and Barca just threaten a breakaway league if this happens, because I can't see United, Bayern etc agreeing to leave their domestic leagues etc. so why has the Spanish FA not acted years ago?
Will Real and Barca just threaten a breakaway league if this happens, because I can't see United, Bayern etc agreeing to leave their domestic leagues etc. so why has the Spanish FA not acted years ago?
From the BBC website, so all times are UK
Today
Malaga 3 - 1 Levante FT
Valencia 1 - 1 Celta de Vigo playing now
Getafe v Barcelona 19:00
Sevilla v Real Madrid 21:00
Sunday 16th September 2012
Espanyol v Athletic Bilbao 11:00
Granada v Deportivo 15:00
Osasuna v Mallorca 17:00
Real Sociedad v Real Zaragoza 18:50
Atl Madrid v Rayo Vallecano 20:30
Monday 17th September 2012
Valladolid v Real Betis 20:30
Today
Malaga 3 - 1 Levante FT
Valencia 1 - 1 Celta de Vigo playing now
Getafe v Barcelona 19:00
Sevilla v Real Madrid 21:00
Sunday 16th September 2012
Espanyol v Athletic Bilbao 11:00
Granada v Deportivo 15:00
Osasuna v Mallorca 17:00
Real Sociedad v Real Zaragoza 18:50
Atl Madrid v Rayo Vallecano 20:30
Monday 17th September 2012
Valladolid v Real Betis 20:30
football on all night 
I really need to get a life
I really need to get a life
Le'ts hope Getafe can get something in their match against the Catalans.
No. I like money. I want more of it. Let's hope Barcelona wins.
HT 1-1 in the Valencia game
Some stuff about tonight's other games then.
Barcelona are not normally as strong after a mid-week international and have travelled without Alexis, Alba and Iniesta. Getafe beat Barca last year, and Madrid last match so they aren't pushovers. Will it be a match tonight? Hmmm, depends if Messi's playing from the start and whether he's on form or not.
Sevilla Vs Real Madrid, since 2000, apparently average 4 goals per game and Ronaldo is the top scorer in the matches (despite only having played three years worth of them). Sevilla however are a good team and it should be a tough match in front of a fanatical crowd. That said, the crowd are likely to be less fanatical than usual with chunks of the ground closed, fans suspended and other fans boycotting as part of a club clampdown on hooliganism.
Of course the only thing the cameras will be interested in tonight will be Ronaldo's face. Will he smile? Will he celebrate if he scores? Will he greet Fiorentino Perez with due deference and enthusiasm?
Some stuff about tonight's other games then.
Barcelona are not normally as strong after a mid-week international and have travelled without Alexis, Alba and Iniesta. Getafe beat Barca last year, and Madrid last match so they aren't pushovers. Will it be a match tonight? Hmmm, depends if Messi's playing from the start and whether he's on form or not.
Sevilla Vs Real Madrid, since 2000, apparently average 4 goals per game and Ronaldo is the top scorer in the matches (despite only having played three years worth of them). Sevilla however are a good team and it should be a tough match in front of a fanatical crowd. That said, the crowd are likely to be less fanatical than usual with chunks of the ground closed, fans suspended and other fans boycotting as part of a club clampdown on hooliganism.
Of course the only thing the cameras will be interested in tonight will be Ronaldo's face. Will he smile? Will he celebrate if he scores? Will he greet Fiorentino Perez with due deference and enthusiasm?
Barca start with:
Víctor Valdés; Montoya, Piqué, Puyol, Adriano; Busquets, Xavi, Thiago; Cesc, Tello y Pedro.
Vato - it's on!
Víctor Valdés; Montoya, Piqué, Puyol, Adriano; Busquets, Xavi, Thiago; Cesc, Tello y Pedro.
Vato - it's on!
Like they recently raised their game against your team no ?
Very interesting starting XI. I expect to see Tito experiment tonight - we'll see if he's right
Thiago off the crossbar.
Adriano > Messi
Too easy for them
Free kick Getafe in a very good position.
Impressive but should be a few more goals. The officiating in La Liga is terrible
Thats an awful decision
That was a clear penalty. Poor decision.
Yep, capital city - nothing new
Shocking stuff by the ref.
Wait until theyre not even from the same country.
Penalty
Messi scores.
3-0
Against some downright dirty circumstances, some sublime footy tonight
Wicked deflection. 3-1
Villa 4-1. Good to see him back and scoring.
Class goal from Villa. That last chip attempt from Messi was brilliant.
Sevilla score in the second minute, well worked set play.